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Who are your top 20 boxers since 2000. Mine are Calderon Darchinyan Montiel Donaire Vazquez R Marquez Barrera Morales Pacquiao J Marquez Mayweather De la hoya Mosley Cotto Hopkins Martinez Klitschko Jones Bradley V klitschko Smh damn, I forgot about Trinidad, ward, calzaghe and froch

I don't think Pav was expose tho..He has some good wins under his belt.. I love pavlik as a fighter, but he was exposed badly. As someone who if the opponent isn't going in straight lines or a moving target he couldn't land

Should've made the poll multiple choice but for me it's Mares Danny and Provodnikov. Yeah I tried to go back and fix it but it was too late. But I agree, mares was being severely hyped after beating ponce de Leon, and Danny Garcia to be lineal champion, has never truly dominated anyone except Morales

maquez vs pacquaio lewis knocking out rahman was devastating rahman knocking out lewis was shocking ali knocking out foreman was shocking at the time and significant through history Sorry I forgot to mention my list is of recent kos

Whoa sonny aint no one going talk about every single one of those fights,, Ill roll with broner and Edwin. Edwin will straight murder Broner, nothing and I mean nothing broner can do to deter this physco, Edwin will walk to him and pummel him to death. Lol yeah I did name a lot, but those are ones that I thought would be really competitive all at their best. And I agree Valero was a animal and would've ran through a lot of good fighters

Joan Guzman /End Thread. I completely agree that he never lived up to his talent by being lazy. But I wouldn't call him a prospect he was a legit titlist in a few divisions and beat some good fighters

this, solis is the most skilled out of all you listed. I can definitely agree with that but he wasn't hyped no where near as much as everyone else. When he turned pro everyone knew he was lazy and in bad shape

Either you are trolling or trying to insult Pac. Even his bumbling brother Bobby Pac would have KO/TKOed the emaciated de la Hoya that fought Pac yet you put it as one of his biggest welter win? You have Pac as your #1 welter yet you claim that Marquez has never beaten a legit full fledged 147? How idiotic ... Was de la hoya not a heavy favorite in that fight? Wasn't it de la hoya who cherry picked Pacquiao? And wasn't it Oscar's choice to not weigh the full 147 so he can keep his speed and only hydrate 2 lbs. Those are nothing but excuses, all of that is on de la hoya, nobody forced him to not hydrate. And when I say full fledged welter. Those are the cotto, collazo, clottey, bertos of the world. Not someone who is basically the same size as Marquez himself

Side note some other fights deserve honorable mention like: Tyson/Douglas Tarver/Jones Wlad/Sanders Just to name a few. Yeah i.forgot all about the tarver jones fight. And I only posted fights from the 2000s. The Douglas upset would have been no contest the biggest upset

He was dropped by Zuniga too Yeah I know but I meant out of the guys I named

Ridiculous picks, especially GGG vs Abe being a toss-up. GGG beats them all. Pavlik had a pretty questionable chin, and wouldn't be able to take GGG's power as well as GGG could take his. Taylor's footwork was often all over the place, and given the way he kept backing himself into the ropes, I doubt GGG would have trouble landing on him. As for Abe... easy work. He was/is practically GGG minus the offensive polish and the ability to cut off the ring. P.S. today's MW division is weak, but not THAT weak, and the MWs from 5-10 years ago weren't demi-gods. Even a guy like Geale would hold his own against the likes of Taylor and Pavlik, and I would pick him to beat Abe. And since when pavliks chin questionable? He's fought and taken big shots from Miranda, Taylor, Hopkins, Rubio, and Martinez. And was only dropped once. Safe to.say his chin was granite

Ridiculous picks, especially GGG vs Abe being a toss-up. GGG beats them all. Pavlik had a pretty questionable chin, and wouldn't be able to take GGG's power as well as GGG could take his. Taylor's footwork was often all over the place, and given the way he kept backing himself into the ropes, I doubt GGG would have trouble landing on him. As for Abe... easy work. He was/is practically GGG minus the offensive polish and the ability to cut off the ring. P.S. today's MW division is weak, but not THAT weak, and the MWs from 5-10 years ago weren't demi-gods. Even a guy like Geale would hold his own against the likes of Taylor and Pavlik, and I would pick him to beat Abe. Hell no, geale? I like the guy but he would've been.ko d be everyone except wright. And ggg has never faced a world class puncher before. I know some ppl will say Stevens but he's never kod anyone world class just journeyman and ESPN undercard fighters

It's too bad ggg wasn't around in the past middleweight era. I think he would have been beaten plus it was a lot of great punchers. It was Arthur Abraham, Kelly pavlik, Edison Miranda, Bernard Hopkins, jermain Taylor, Ronald wright etc

This would also help - I don't think many people are gonna bother going to check who was at which olympics... 1996.. Floyd, tarver, wlad, Vargas, David Diaz, dzindziruk, Guzman, Daniel Santos, zsolt erdei, morel, jirov, ottke 2000... Calderon, viloria, darchinyan, ponce de Leon, Orlando Cruz. Rigondeaux, mathebula, Juarez, bojado, katsidis, kotelnik, senchenko, cotto, lacy, Sam peter, geale, jermain Taylor, bika, Danny green, Harrison 2004... Warren, shiming, gamboa, rigondeaux, j.m.Lopez, escobedo, angulo, ward, mares,Mendez,aydin, khan, shumenov, martirosyan, Lara, berto, golovkin, dirrell, Pascal, Andy lee, yoan p Hernandez, Solis, povetkin

I think your being to hard on mares he fought a lot of tough competition therefore made it harder for him to look great. He always found a way to come out on top and dealt with various different styles. I can think of plenty names that were far more overrated than mares. Considering the hype as the next Mayweather I'm surprised Broner isn't on that list as he would be my pick along with Khan. No one really stands out from your list to be honest , maybe Pavlik. I didn't name Khan or broner because most ppl see them as jokes anyway and can see right through them. I tried to name 10 that were supposed to be future superstars that never panned out, or guys with great resumes but just don't look very impressive

Poll is gonna be up I voted darchinyan. At 112&115 he was a monster. I remember in 08 he was a huge underdog to mijares who at the time I never thought was anything special anyways I knew Vic would crush him and he did. Nobody ever handled mijares in that fashion

Lopez and Wright for sure. Lopez, to me, is the greatest Mexican fighter of all time. His dominance, skill and reign was one of the best. Can't believe he was still fighting 15 years ago. As far as Wright goes, what a talent. He should've been known by many more fans but the dude was vastly underrated. I was gonna put Lopez as my choice but I thought it was too obvious of a choice. To me Lopez is a top 20-25 ever but nobody ever mentions him all we hear are Chavez Sr, Marquez, barrera, Morales, Sanchez etc. But Lopez was better than all of them. The true Mexico goat

lmfaoooooooooo http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9798/thread_of_the_year.jpg Lol my bad guys my phone died, and I didn't know the thread was up yet. But it was gonna be out of, berto, broner, Ortiz, canelo, lacy, price, gamboa, Alexander, or dirrell

Ward easily. At least he looks like he wants to engage. He fights inside excellent, klitschko on the other hand jab clinch jab clinch repeat, until a ko around the 10th

Out of those, Castillo vs Corrales. Why put Pac-Marquez III up? It wasn't even good. The fourth fight was a millon times better. Bro, I clearly put Marquez vs Vazquez 3. Not pacquiao, look at the options before you comment

Not a good list as its missing some obvious names. Maidana and Matthysse? Also Randal Bailey. How did you miss Miguel Cotto whose easily ATG? Its David Haye that belongs in the "other" category not Cotto. GGG, Stevenson, Donaire and Kovalev. Did you start watching boxing yesterday or something cuz those names dont belong in "other" category. I came up with the list literally in about 1 minute. I took no time at all to think of it, and Miguel cotto is not one of the hardest punchers p4p. He accumulates and takes a toll. I didn't include any of the guys you named because they're still relatively new

oh wow another ur typical average brawlhouse fan who doesnt appreicate skills. i think i know why u left out marquez pac 4 lmbao,none of these fights showcased much skills only brainless punchers who are not technicilly sound,or slick. my recent favorites is bradley vs marquez and bhop vs pavlik and tito,now those are actually good fights showcase skills What are you talking about? All those fights showed high levels of skill, they just happen to be exciting

Why do 'urban' fans dislike Golovkin so much? I dont dislike him, I'm a fan. I'm just calling it how it is, for ggg to have been pro for almost a decade and be 31 and 345 amateur wins his resume should at least be at a Adonis Stevenson level

We dont know if the guy is urban or not, but why didnt you respond to any of his points? He just basically destroyed GGG and proved that Berto, a known hype-j, had a better resume than him. I thought this thread was thought-provoking. I never would have put these two fighters in this boat, until someone really broke it down. GGG got some pop, but he aint shiet....YET. exactly. Ggg is better than berto, but his resume is not. Instead of Sanchez complaining that they're being ducked, fight someone from another division. They claim he will fight anyone from 154-168, instead of talking about it do it. Just like Paul Williams was avoided and said he'd fight anyone from 147-160. And he did it no excuses

Because he's white these guys can't get over that Eastern Europeans are taking over this is the stupidest post, my favorite boxer of all time is white.. arturo gatti, many of my favorites of the past generation are white like... Pavlik, Kessler, Hatton, kovalev etc. So don't try to play the racist card

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