Who was Whyte beat though...and Wlad is retired man...Ruiz has the win over AJ and nothing else...Usyk hasn't even fought at HW and we don't know how he will doJoseph Parker for one. I said Ruiz and Usyk are definitely good boxers. Usyk has a match at HW, though. Beating Joshua is also a pretty big win, I'd say. Klitschko is retired when he will not return for certain.
I get the sense you are trying to derail with a pointless debate. Tell me what you really want to say about my first post.
What would your top 10 at HW look like?Too many unanswered questions to make a top 10 that holds any true meaning. But some boxers have a more valid resume to build a ranking, such as Fury, Klitschko, Whyte, and Joshua. Ruiz and Usyk are definitely good boxers.
Wilder is definitely now being underrated. You don't have to be as good as the #1 to be considered one of the best. Say what you want about a guy like Ortiz but he is definitely in the 4th-10th best bracket and Wilder KO'd him twice.
Hell, I don't even care if Wilder gets demolished by Fury again and AJ later, there are still some fights that I would love to see him in. Unfortunately Wilder + the more cult-like extremist part of his fan base made things quite toxic among various fan-circles and now that he got smashed up, people will jump all over it.
Wilder is one of the best who got beat by the very best. It happens.What makes you think Ortiz is in the 4th-10th bracket? His rise to fame is facing Wilder, whose rise to fame is facing Ortiz.
I agree with his equally deluded fan base. They, like Wilder's delusional self-image projecting statements are part of the excessive backlash, as much is the ridiculous overhype of someone that has been protected as much as Wilder.
Wilder got beat by someone who had been away from boxing for 2½ years, and went life and death with Wallin. Wilder has also been outboxed by pretty much anyone he has faced from Szpilka to Ortiz to Fury. Now he got dominated.
If Wilder proceeds to lose to Usyk, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, Klitschko, Povetkin, Joshua, and so on and so forth, how would you assess it all? That's right a boxer with a padded record that couldn't cut it with the top boxers.
So serious question -
Is there any group that overhypes its fighters more than the UK? They are a clear number 1 imo...Mexican fighters next at number 2...then US fighters followed by eastern Euros...and then 'other' fighters, who are often undervalued imho...such as Cubans/Africans/etc.
I make my determinations based on the fact that all the money is really in the US UK and Mexico...so guys from those areas get more hype and attention and help...it is easier to sell a UK fighter to a UK person etc, same with Mexicans, US, Eastern Euros, etc.
The UK just seems to have a lot of attention on their boxing, and a lot of guys trying to make it...it just so happens that most of the time they actually suck...but we still have to hear about it for 2 years until they finally step up.
Certainly...Mexico has a decent number like this...Mungia comes to mind...Ryan Garcia (yes he is Mexican for all intents and purposes) was a bit overhyped but has looked very good to me lately...Canelo was overhyped but has lived up to much of it.
The US as well has some overhyped guys, but generally the US and Eastern euro amateur systems sort out who the best really are...so when we see those guys in the big time, more often that not they are the genuine article...imho anyway.
So yeah - can anyone argue that the UK overrates their fighters more than anyone?
For goodness sake...we are now having to deal with people saying Dillian Whyte is a great fighter...it is always like this with some obscure British level fighter...and then when they step up, over 50% of the time they get wrecked and his 'fans' suddenly disappear, only to back a new hope.Well, Fury just beat a guy that is basically built on the basis of the American hype machine. So if they are out in droves after this win, you are essentially setting yourself up for ridicule, when you try to deflect it onto other nations, than your own.