Yeah, Why would a counter-puncher wait to counter-punch?
It boggles the mind.
because it stalled the aggressor everytime.
why would an aggressor be stalled from his aggression?
because of the counter puncher
at this case, being smart would be keep the pressure in final rounds, through as many punches as possible, surprise fans and some judges. instead juan's trainer said "you are winning" so he went on complete defensive mod, with barely exchanging in last 2 rounds. that is not how you beat future hof and as many consider 1 of the best in business ever.
I feel that the pressure was all on pacquiao to do something toward the end. not marquez.
but it almost seemed like pac didnt want to throw for fear of being countered while jmm was waiting for any slip up to capitalize on it.
After all he is one the the best counter punchers in the world
lmao its all blacks and mexicans that thought marquez won
How do you win when your opponent out threw, out landed and landed the harder shots?
1) effective aggression - Pac
2) defense - Pac
3) ring generalship - Pac
4) clean and hard punching - Pac
I guess some people give points for running, hitting behind the head and head butts lmao
Its pathetic how some people think they can judge a fight better than professional judges
Marquez outlanded pac in their second fight. then why did he lose?
joe calzaghe is white, my friend. please stop generalizing.
and sugar ray has alot more say than you in terms of the sport and the art of BOXING
yep prayed to his god bob arum.....
That picture says it all. that's why this argument is becoming a bit fruitless.
We know who really won last night.
Marquez knows it better than any one of us.
do you not see the difference between the first two fights and last night's fight?......if you dont, you prooly have not seen them all, if not, any...
LOL the stats the stats.
The "Rocky " effect.
Close rounds are given to the underdog just because he's doing better than expected.
http://img38.imagefra.me/i5bd/theforceinc/xi2a_6cb_ucicz.jpg
This picture shows why THE JUDGES gave Pac close rounds.
JMM was landing shots to the body while Pac was landing clean shots to the chin.
thats so unreliable. it actually seemed like many of pacs punches were grazing the top of jmm's head.
I haven't seen any Marquez fans do something like this because they are just cry babies who thought marquez landed whenever someone goes crazy on the background. Turn off the volume and watch the fight..
You keep doing it and we'll keep uploading those GIFs of JMM smashing Manny's face in. lol
100% True statement right here... Their were HIGH expectations for Pac to clearly KO Marquez and the fact that he didnt leaves everyone believing Marquez won. Pac has an elite group of haters who will continue to cry robbery..
Those hater are also people who have been in the ring countless times.
boxers like sugar ray and amir khan (pacs mate) all saw the fight differently, I think the pac fans are the people who are deluded, not the other way around.
they wont do it, coz it can easily be destroyed by the actual stats...:D
if that is your logic then JMM won his previous fight with Manny.
Like we've been saying before. punch stats are worthless
ya stop reading and go watch the fight. go tell the ts what other punches jmm landed in round 2, if not, go drink jmm's piss off a baby bottle :bottle: crybabies.
watched the fight twice and still have marquez winning and you watched it and you still have pac winning.
marquez didn't dominate the fight but he clearly outboxed and stalled pacs aggressive actions.
I gotta admit, JMM didn't come to win the fight. he came to win a decision. He wanted to eke out a decision.
I don't get JMM and his team. No one that runs from pac or fights from a defensive shell will win against him. Judges like the aggressor.
How come when jmm landed combinations, manny didn't come in to land some of his own?
because he was afraid of being counter punched.
he would come forward but his aggression would be stalled by jmms boxing abilities.
it was a close fight. the fact that jmm was a huge underdog makes people want to give it to him
people gave it to him because they saw him winning rounds with great boxing and cleaner punching.
one judge messed gave a 10-7 round to pac in the first round, instead of of a 10-6 round. that would've been a pac win if that was corrected.
gtfo bytch :bottle:
but the stats guys remember the stats, thats your logic right?
listen to this faggot, he's got pac's dick so far down his throat its unreal. look at his quote in my sig from last night, he gave every round to pac. LOL
this thread is a pac-tard humbler.
Yeah I felt bad for both guys. Pacquiao looked sad he dissappointed the fans and Marquez looked angry and disappointed that he felt robbed...
, so now moving away from punches isn't considered boxing? you must think that every fighter should ALWAYS come forward and thats the only way to win a fight. Marquez won the fight by out smarting his opponent in almost every round and throwing the harder cleaner punches.
He's 38,a lightweight,going up in weight where he was already outclassed badly by floyd had to sign with top rank just to get the fight after begging all these years,manny was suppose to have the best camp ever.AND WHAT DO WE SEE??HE SAME DAMN THING THAT HAPPENED THE OTHER 2 TIMES
no none is really arguing though, because the majority KNOWS who won.
I'm through and I am satisfied and happy that true boxing fans as well as professionals of the sport know how the fight went.
they can bring up those useless unreliable stats all they want, but int he end they have look at a slow motion GIF of Manny getting his face caved in.
I'll post a round by round tomorrow
After seeing again....i still have Pac winning 115-113. Clearly some of those rounds were as close as you can get, but when they are that close, you give the benefit of the doubt to the champ. JMM problem was that ONCE AGAIN.....he was hoping the judges would save him. Nacho made the dumb mistake of pulling a DelaHoya Trinidad by telling him he had the fight won and just to get out.
Yes Pac landed and threw more, but i think JMM had the more damaging shots. Then again....JMM shots were clear where Pacs shots happened so fast that you would miss them if you didnt rewatch or see in slow motion. End of the day, JMM HAD to take it and he did not. He has no one to blame but himself. I know alot of you are crying foul, but i think most of you are just on emotional high because Pac did not dominate the way we are used to, and not used to seeing him in a technical fight. Im a fan of the sport, and will admit when i feel someone was wronged, and Pac DID win this fight, and NO ONE was wronged. Before yall start saying that i dont know anything, call me names, or ive been watching for 2 years, or whatever you people say.....i give credit where credit is due, and JMM DID NOT want it enough....PERIOD
P.S. Stop comparing JMM to PBF by saying that PBF would kill Pac because of JMM and how that went down....BIG DIFFERENCE....JMM WILL TRADE and not back down if someone trys to get in close. I still think Floyd beats Pac, but to say that because JMM gave Pac all he could handle, and Floyd dominated him, that its a lock for Floyd......is just beyond stupid.
marques clearly outboxed him. the end of the fight said it all and i guess you missed how dissapointed manny was in the end. To me Juan Manuel Is the champion. no more judges scorecards, all of that is a sham to me now.
yeah, lets make the boxers decide who really won the fight. better yet, let them decide the results of thier own fights from now on.
LMAO i'd rather let an experienced boxer who has been in wars inside the ring have a say in who won than any judge after last night.
Everybody knows who won. and that's all that matters now.
BoxingScene professionals > pro boxers
These guys on twitter have only watched the fight once, our resident BoxingScene experts have watched it 15 times in real time, slow motion, super slow motion and backwards. Some have reportedly even recreated the fight punch for punch on Fight Night, and Manny got the decision on there too.
It's obviously another W for Pacman. Don't question it, just bask in his superior essence.
Or something...
LMAO, boxingscene professionals.
you trolls have anything else to say?