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Yeah it's only natural that they were inspired by Naz because he was an absolute mega star in the UK. You're right about it being closer to home, as Kell Brook was always around the gym during the height of Hameds popularity up until he left the Wincobank gym.... Much like Naz himself used to follow Herol Graham around. If you remember all of those VHS tapes released during Hameds career (which everyone probably will as there was so many of them released even though they were all the same only with different names).... You will see a very young Kell brook on them, although very briefly. Naz was a massive star in the UK, and attracted an enormous amount of casual viewers and a lot of the younger crowd who normally wouldn't go to watch fights live even if they were already boxing fans. I was in attendance for three of his fights, one of which was not long after he turned professional and was still fighting as a flyweight, which a lot of people forget. Before he began fighting exclusively on Sky (which i think was a few fights before he moved up to beat Robinson)... he was pulling in relatively large numbers on ITV in a terrible timeslot, sometimes in mere 6 rounders. Obviously, this thread is going to be hijacked with such brilliant insight as "he gt diztroyed by bearrera lolz", but who am I to question those experts.

The bottom line, is that there was a Heavyweight fight on Saturday which generated a lot of interest in the media (for reasons right or wrong) and from paying customers. However, the fight delivered on its promise of action which I think was crucial. We always hope for great action, but unfortunately don't get it in some cases. A fight like this which was under the spotlight as an incredibly bitter grudge match couldn't afford to be a stinker after such a contoversial build up. There's no need to deconstruct everything. Regarding Vitali, I think it's the only fight which inspires Haye at this point. As for his resume, I can understand the critics of most of his HW campaign, but outside of the loss to Carl Thompson I would say his CW career was pretty solid. He was quite a heavy underdog going into the Mormeck fight, and even though Enzo Maccarinelli was certainly no elite fighter, he was still Hayes main rival in the division and I clearly remember a few people saying David was ducking the fight and would never take it (one article in the Boxing Monthly especially). If anyone has an opinion on who Haye should've fought instead of those two then please share, I could do with a laugh.

Im sure i heard chisora saying if he gets banned hes going n a shooting spree in david hayes gym. This is heavy sh1t. As far as the gun threats from Chisora go, I suppose we can all speculate about how serious he was when he said it. However, David Haye certainly took it seriously....serious enough that he packed his bags and flew out to Las Vegas....a move which I believe was clearly geared towards having some kind of assistance from Roger Mayweather....specifically regarding the Black Mamba's knowledge of something he calls...."that A-side meth ****".

The thing is, everyone in or around the british boxing scene has known about Chisora and his reputation for quite a while now, and while the general public have taken a curious interest because of the media frenzy in the aftermath of all the BS in Germany, there will probably be more tales told in the papers or fighters being quoted on stuff like Amir Khan has today....it will go on for quite some time because many people in the trade have witnessed or known someone who has. Of course, Chinese whispers can account for some, but not for most of them. Johnny Oliver has probably been involved with hundreds of lads who found boxing as a means to straighten themselves out, yet even he had to walk away. It can sometimes be a little easy for young fighters who grow up in tough areas to get pulled into things they shouldn't, perhaps a victim of their surroundings, but Chisora apparently was born into a very wealthy family, and enjoyed priviledged circumstances during both his early life in Zimbabwe and after relocating to London. With that in mind, you can perhaps say that Del boy is just one of those guys who seem to find trouble no matter where they go, although not by accident.

At least pac doesn't pretend to be a woman. Well, after seeing his performance of a guy who "tells de promotah who I fight".... He might aswell get his fishnets on, some lipstick and get back to perfecting the line "I jast dooing my jab".

I really don't know why people are bothering to debate about the stadium and why it should or should not be built to host the fight in late may. It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, given the circumstances. After all of the bull**** which has plagued the possibility of getting this fight done, the idea of constructing a temporary outdoor stadium just a very short time before the fight, is pure foolishness when you consider how many problems could arise during construction time (which happens regularly on most building sites), resulting in more delays. If construction preparations had began already, then it would be a realistic scenario, but the time frame Arum talks of, is nonsense, and when he says things like "the earliest it could be completed is late may".... that pretty much tells you that delays could easily pop up, leaving us all standing around and arguing amongst eachother again, only this time instead of saying **** like "pacquiao, take the test", we will be treated to regular quotes from construction experts being interviewed by the boxing scribes on the subject of who's REALLY holding up progress and other conspiracy theories.... then before you know it, The Super Mario Brothers will be the bad guys for a week because they ****ed up the temporary plumbing for the outdoor restrooms. I'm exaggerating now, but this whole thing is slowly driving me insane. I really don't know how anyone could take this temporary stadium proposal seriously in this situation. It should also be obvious why Floyd can not change the May 5th date, and to be fair, why should he? Jesus Christ , Manny can't seem to stand up to his own promoter, he's in no position to tell Mayweather to man up and get more time from the courts. Certainly not in the name of a non existing stadium being completed in a matter of weeks.

Hay is ducking Tyson fist of fury. Fist of fury also bashed Haye verbally and haye has kept quiet. Haye says he has had his fair share of domestic dust ups, but ignoring the fact that he never faced the best of british has to offer Well you're ignoring the fact that Haye was a CruiserWeight and done the "Best of British" thing when he fought Macarinelli. I'm sure there will be a few people who will piss and moan at the mention of that fight but those are probably the same people who back then were saying Haye would never take the fight because he was ducking or scared etc blah blah. If anyone says that nobody said that then they have very short selective memories. There's only one guy he ducked and everyone knows it's Johnny Nelson. No use crying over spilt milk, but what mightve been. ; )

Roger said this in the interview in the video section. He was clearly just joking. No need to make an article around it. Exactly. Its quite pathetic how many people immediatley jumped on it with the usual onslaught of abuse, and you don't really have to watch the video to see what he actually meant. Regarding the actual article....it's just another example of something which I find to be one of the worst features of Internet boxing "journalism"....especially during the ongoing Mayweather/Pacquiao saga....someone says one thing, and no matter how unimportant it is, it gets wrapped in speechmarks, taken out of context and stuck on the end of several paragraphs giving us -for the millionth time- yet another recount of the whole tedious subject.

I have always had a very big dislike for papered fights. However, because I understand the way it works as far as the Casinos and their high rollers, I don't have a problem with those guys getting them to an extent because there are only a small handful of those guys....but this is ridiculous. I hate the fact that people are paying good money for their seats and the guy sitting next to them playing on their ****ing Iphone paying no attention got in for free. The term "legitimate sell-out" is a near extinct animal in the US, Vegas mainly. I'm not into UFC and I have even less interest in the Boxing vs UFC thing, but I don't think they paper their attendances of their Vegas shows anywhere near as much as this.

Cool, am not bothered by boxingnation. I watch all my boxing for free thanks to the 21st century. Well remember to keep quiet the next time you want to ***** about which fights do and do not get made. Mickey mouse boxing fan.

People have always liked to talk about how judging a prizefight is objective, and can differ slightly depending on what each judges are looking for....but there is no way that Pacquiao won that fight, unless you score points for a guy who ; ---Keeps being moved around the ring in the direction his opponent dictates to him for the entire fight, without a clue about how to deal with that ---Is made to look crude and hit with every counter that was thrown at him ---and for a guy who has no response to his opponents offence other that beating on his own chest with his gloves and raising his arms in the air This fight had fingerprints of the Mosley fight all over it. In that the movement which Marquez used for the fight, moving Pacquiao in a certain direction for the entire fight, we saw Mosley do the same thing and Pacquiao couldn't do much about it, Shane couldn't capitalise on it though. Marquez put in a masterful display, manipulating Pacquiao's movement and setting him up for counters, the vast majority of which he landed. I called it earlier this week, I said that Marquez would either squeeze out a SD or turn in a dominant performance only to get robbed. Of all the three fights, this was the most decisive victory, especially because Pacquiao does not have any knockdowns to his credit to justify his victory. I have heard some people say "It was close, but Pacquiao was the agressor and therefore gets the nod" ; absolute garbage. Anyone can plod forward cluelessly the way Pacquiao did last night and fights should never be scored sheerly on that, and it's something I am sick of hearing about. The key phrase is "effective aggression", although Pacquiao's aggression was seriously lacking in anything effective. The telling factor in the scorecards, was that not one of the judges had Marquez winning, and that is absurd. There was no size difference, something which I have said is absolute bull**** for a while now. Another similarity from the Mosley fight ; Pacquiao's leg cramps excuse. And don't forget all of the stuff we were fed for months about Manny being in freakish condition, something which was backed up by everyone who was near him during camp. Pacquiao WAS in great shape, but Marquez is a better fighter, a great fighter who has the kind of ring intelligence which is extremely rare, and that along with his incredible ability to make adjustments in fights whenever he needs to. I noticed Bob Arum was quite excitited after the fight, and the focus of his discussion in the post fight interview was of course, a lucrative "record breaking" fourth fight, and why wouldn't he be? Because on top of everything else, it's a great excuse to keep Pacquiao away from the beating that Floyd Mayweather would undoubtedly inflict on him, of that there is no doubt. If I was Marquez, I would tell them to stick a fourth fight up their ass. Anybody with brain function can see the story of the Pacquiao Vs Marquez trilogy.

Lol at this comparison. Brook is 25 years old and Alvarez is 21; therefore, Brook better be better than Alvarez!!! In all honesty, I don't know, nor care, who is a better fighter. One thing I do guarantee, though, Brook was nowhere near to what Alvarez has done at the age of 21... What I want to know is what Hatton did at the age of 21!!! That age gap doesn't count for much, if anything. Brook had a period of inactivity due to an injury, but at time he was still out of the radar in terms of expectation. Alvarez turned pro at a much earlier ago also. Anyway, Alvarez is now in or just moving into the level where nobody can use his age as an excuse to justify any lacklustre performances anytime soon. You're either good enough or you aren't.

Another day of everyone going back and forth on this issue. Come on, this is getting WAY beyond a joke. We have an 80 year old Jewish guy calling someone a Nazi propaganda practitioner. After everything else so far regarding this fight, all we need now is for Al Haymon to be interviewed on TV (or anywhere else)...then we really would've seen everything. Apart from the actual fight of course, but why pick faults eh.... Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao (the prospect such a fight) 2008/9 - 2012 RIP. Now come on, boxing fans....lets get back to giving our attention to fights where at least most of the key people involved actually do want to make them happen.

Whilst it sucks that right now this fight will be pulled, I don't want to **** on Gamboa because the fine actual details which have led to this situation....we don't yet know for sure and may never will. Having said that, I do believe that partially, this is likely to be a buyproduct of that type of situation we have seen for a long time now, where an outstanding Cuban fighter defects and due to the nature of that process logistically and legally....it leads to a situation where there are too many people with their fingers in the pie, so to speak. Now, I'm not making excuses for anyone, but I do believe this could be partially to blame and is worth keeping in mind. If this proves to be the case, then I suppose it was bound to flare up at some point as the stakes and purses involved in his fights got higher and higher, along with the risk/reward factor not being in his favour due to such contractual agreements....but it just sucks even more that it ended up with this fight in particular being derailed. Its also quite embarrassing that the promotional tour got into gear along with other promotional stuff....even though both fighters hadn't even signed off yet, allegedly. More ammunition for the likes of Dana White and whoever else who will hold it up as another thing to be ashamed of....when it had everything going for it to be a fight to be proud of as boxing fans.

This fight was about 1 man who got careless in the ring and ran into a shot. I dont think it had anything to do with PEDs. Manny lunged in and he got dropped. It happens in boxing. He does it everytime he throws his left hand, **** he lunges everytime he moves forward really, which is one of the reasons that Marquez has been able to terrorize Pacquiao with counters in every one of their fights. If you give a counter puncher that many opportunities then you're getting knocked out. Marquez probably could've done this in their 3rd fight but he gave Manny too much respect because of all the fanfare surrounding Pacquiaos supposed improvements (which were ridiculously overhyped as I said on here before their 3rd fight). This time Marquez knew 100%, where Pacquiao would be and what would be coming back, and we saw the result. The fact that Pacquiao was clueless about Marquez' return fire really sums up his shortcomings against the Mexican. The same goes for Beristain and Roach, because it's not about the gameplan you bring in the fight, it's about the one you execute in the ring regarding adjustments. I now anticipate what will be a golden age for boxingscene, when the horribly annoying Pacquiao fan club show exactly how clueless and retarded they are, because the last time they made such a big deal over "foot stopping" tactics, so god only knows what they will come out with now.

FCUK ARUM!!! The blood from the butt is different from the arm.. It must be taken out of the arm.. FCUK ARUM!!!! - Says the flomo... Once again, I would just like to point out that they would never, under any circumstances, collect a blood sample from the buttocks. No matter who does the testing, USADA, WADA or Giant Baba....and that's a fact. It makes me think that if Manny has been told that they can collect blood this way, well someone needs to tell him otherwise.

brook fought canelo's left overs.... Due to that old pisser of a fact that nobody has invented a time machine yet, there is the slight possibilty that fighters in the same weight divisions will come across common opponents here and there. The "leftovers" criticsm....the biggest trend of bull **** among all those arm chair George Gainford wannabes since the pathetic epidemic that is "aw he got exposed".

wow u know a lot of info about pac & how he was after the pac-marg fight...were u the doctor treating pac lol I bet ur a mexicunt lol :bottle: It's called paying attention, and fairly. Which seems to be the complete opposite to what you must be doing to say that Manny wasn't marked up after the Margarito fight, it was common knowledge and information about the treatment he recieved was heavily reported on all the usual boxing websites like this one, so I don't know how you could've missed all of it and still have made such ignorant comments like that.... but on second thoughts, you were probably oblivious to the superb boxing lesson demonstrated by the "mexicunt" for the best part of 36 minutes a couple weeks ago also, so I'm not surprised. Since we are on the subject of facial damage sustained by Manny Pacquiao in recent fights, he had significant damage after the Clottey fight (who connected 108 of 399 in that miserable showing) I'm not a Manny Pacquiao hater, or a "flomo", or anything else like that, before anyone starts with that.

How? Firstly, there's no animosity between the fighters; secondly, Haye-Chisora was PPV. Fury is contracted to Channel 5, a free-to-air service. I'm not sure how the revenue was broken down when it came to counting the money and determining the purses for Haye-Chisora because it wasn't a standalone PPV, it was just another fight included in the Boxnation timetable for £10 a month. Regarding the Fury vs Price issue of TV stations, normally it wouldn't be problem considering the level they are at, which in reality is British level and whichever party came up with the best offer via purse bids would've held the rights, but that's out of the window in this case because the title itself has no leverage in this particular situation as much as it pains me to say it.

Suliaman's reply;...."Does anyone have Terry Marsh's phone number?"

"I like to see the good in boxing" That is coming from someone whose response to the Haye/Chisora situation can be summed up as "Here's some more bad **** which has went on in the past and present, let's drag it all up again to shw how rotten boxing is and therefore the carry on in Germany wasn't bad in retrospect". This is a man who in his weekly column for a national newspaper (one of the few right now) spent the entire main article talking about Carl Froch's betting controversy. I'm sure that won't contribute to an already almost non existent amount of trust in boxing from everyday people at all.

I'm certain it would be Adam Smith getting spit roasted in that disgusting scenario you dreamt up. He looks like a "taker" to me. :) Well I predict Nelson to win that one by late stoppage, due to Smith suffering excessive blood loss. At least he went out stinging.

It's not a question of him making it so difficult. He's making it impossible because he's not making it. I said to myself 'maybe he has some point, although I think it's baloney, on this doping drug testing.' So Manny and I discussed it. I told Manny, 'they are not going to go in your dressing room on the night of the fight, and even if they do let them take from your ass and not from your arm. We talked and he said 'okay, no conditions, none.' And then is on this weekend saying 'I'll fight him, take the test.' What is he saying and why doesn't the press pick him up on it? How many times do we have to say that is not an issue. It isn't an issue. I always resist in getting into the "Who's ducking who?" and "Who's full of ****" arguments because I don't care much for banging my head against a brick wall, but I had to point out that Arum is talking serious bull**** in the above quote regarding blood testing. I'm surprised that no one else has pointed this out. Regardless of who does the testing, under no circumstances whatsoever would a blood sample be drawn out of the buttocks. Yes, various substances are administered via an Intramuscular injection in the upper-outer quarter of the buttocks, but to suggest that a blood sample would be collected from there is something which I find quite strange, coming from Bob Arum, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that Arum actually believes 100% that blood samples are obtained in that way. So with this in mind, it puts a question mark over the conversation which Arum says he had with Manny regarding testing in the dressing room before the fight.

Lyle Fitzsimmons....that's the guy who wrote that terrible and tasteless piece on Gatti on here just before Christmas. Apologies if that's a different guy. I know he apologised but if there's a wooden spoon award going then he should get it for writing that tripe. Congratulations to everyone still though, of all the writers on BS.com I enjoy Cliff Rold the most.

Emmanuel Steward ... what a prick. "Murray showed courage unlike british fighters" BULL**** statement. The man should issue a public apology to British people asap. I would like to hear his reasons for making such a ridiculous statement. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if David Haye's toe has something to do with it. I've noticed a lot of people talking about Murray's defense, which is fair enough really, as it's been said quite a lot in the past that he has always made life difficult for himself in that regard, taking punches that he doesn't have to whilst grinding someone down. A couple of people have already mentioned the claims of Rios not eating for days and that they don't believe it to be true, well as with anything else you hear through the media, I am also a little bit dubious....however, Rios looked absolutley terrible at the weigh-in, that much is certain. Like everyone else who has ever been in boxing, I've seen many fighters drop weight drastically, particularly in the days of same day weigh ins....but I have to say that Rios looked as bad as anybody I have ever seen as a result of cutting weight, so even the stories weren't true, there is no doubt in my mind that he must've been taking some drastic measures somewhere down the line. As I said before....IF the stories were true of him not eating anything for days are true, then someone has to have a serious look at the people around him during his training camp, because not only is that very dangerous, but it is something which should not be happenening especially in the modern era of strength and conditioning experts and nutritional experts. If Garcia was aware of this also, then you have to wonder about his value as a trainer for allowing such a thing to happen these days.

Lyle, if you were at a table having that conversation with guys like Robinson and Hagler (and anyone else you bring up to make yourself sound smart) and you were coming out with that kind of hypocritical tripe as in this article, then Robinson and Hagler would stand you up, give you a fresh one across the chops and escort you outside while Nat Fleischer revoked your BWAA credentials. You could apply the same criticism to a few members of the IBHOF. You also point to Gattis connections, but which fighter hasn't used them in the same way? Boxing has always been a "who you know" business, particularly in golden age of the sport, so stop with that pathetic nonsense.

Prizefighter continues getting worse. I've heard of Glenn Foot as he fought a local, seen a bit of Karl Place but not heard of the others. Nobody wants to see a load of feather-fisted nobodies play tig/tag. I sure don't anyway. Throw some names/some bangers in there. Glenn foot can certainly bang, although his name isn't well known in the professional ranks yet, but he's only had a handful of fights so far as he only turned pro a little while ago. He was fairly well known as an amateur, mainly as a bit of an all action crowd pleaser. I remember thinking to myself that prizefighter would be a good platform for him to build his name because of how he fights and over the short format I dont see anyone taming him. I expect him to shine on the night.

This is an odd comment coming from Dana White because he's notorious for trying to serve up his fighters in order to make money. It reeks of absolute hypocrisy. He's been attempting to pit his champions from WW to MW against each other so that he can make money from super fights with GSP vs Anderson Silva and Silva vs Jon Jones. I imagine he's speaking from the perspective of a fan, but as a promoter he's the kind of guy that would put Pacquiao in the ring with one of the Klitschkos if he thought it would sell. Exactly. If Arum had made the Bradley fight then White would be saying "Ah boxing is doing it to you again, why make a fight with a guy who everyone knows was the loser last time out. This is why boxing is dying and the UFC... Blah blah " He's telling us that Arum should be doing what he's been complaining about boxing doing for the last ten years. Concentrate on your own business you absolute phoney.

Lyle, you were "bombarded" with criticism last year not because you didn't want Gatti in the Hall of Fame....but because of the cheap and tasteless remarks you made about the circumstances of his death from what I remember. As for this years candidates, certainly Trinidad, ODH and I've no problem with Calzaghe getting in. I know there's a lot of criticism towards Hamed (a lot of it valid), but personally, I believe he should get in this year. His shortcomings have been talked about many times and I understand that, but unless you weren't paying attention from 1995-2001 or have fell victim to the revisionist history that has been heaped on Hamed's career since he left the game....then you can't deny the impact he had as far as excitement, worldwide crossover appeal and huge economic change he brought for the "little guys". As much as I enjoyed Barry Mcguigan's fights and career as a fan, I don't see how he is a Hall of Famer, but Naseem Hamed is not.

The general boxing fan has been gradually conditioned to think that sucessfully jumping weight classes here and there is a better achievement than being dominant in your own or most recent division, which isnt always true. However, i can see their logic in choosing this fight, the risk/reward value that will come from going up two weight classes to fight a good but very beatable champion. Ill be interested to see what they weigh on fight night, because I dont think there will be much difference between them when the bell rings, not only in terms of weight on paper but functional weight also.