Vitali has a great chin so I think Foreman stops him on his feet like he did Chuvalo. Referee rescues Vitali from sponging more punishment.
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Vitali has been Koed in Kickboxing
There are few exercises that are more of a waste of time than talking about fantasy fights between fighters of different eras.
If one guy was in another guys era, he would have had a different trainer and learned a completely different style on the way up - not to mention have lived a different life and been a different person.
Utterly pointless conversation.
Foreman didn't listen to his trainers and just brawled and won so that argument doesn't apply.
Foremans trainer thought he threw too much arm punches.
Plenty don't see professional as a natural transition from amateur.
And some fail miserably... Like Tyrell Biggs. He couldn't make the transition. Slaughtered by big punchers as a pro
Amateur boxing has a higher pace than pro boxing, they also dont sit on their punches, no feeling out process, throw more punches and combinations, with just enough pop.
As for Scoring, it used to be different, but now have adopted the 10 must point system, with knock dows being most of the times 10-8 rounds.
The gloves also suck.
aWhat about the the gloves suck?
Gloves are different so you don't make clean contact like with pro gloves.
Scoring criteria is completely different so damage isn't factored in.
Duration of bouts are much shorter so that high energy amateur style will gas someone out.
All in all the amateurs heavily favor particular styles. That's why being accomplished as an amateur is good but it doesn't mean you are going to do well against pressure fighters in the pro ranks.
There are feather fisted guys who do well in pro boxing, though.
Different/bigger gloves, different number of rounds, different scoring criteria, (sometimes) head gear. Not that complicated.
Glove sizes vary in pro boxing without affecting punching mechanics from one bout to another.
Could it be that pro boxing is for the public, so that's why power was awarded more?
If Ngannou can successfully counter Fury, he can do the same to Joshua.
He looks very hungry and dedicated in his training. I don't know if AJ can recover from the shot that dropped Fury.
One should never make the mistake of comparing fights between each other (remember rock -papper -scissor paradox).
So we have to compare them as fighters primarily, and secondarily as technicians.
Joshuas offense is a lot smoother than Furys. Fury is not a natural puncher. It's not surprising he got countered.
Joshua has a weaker chin but Ngannou is gun shy against Fury, and Joshua is a much bigger puncher than Fury...
All of this can cancel each other out. It's a tough call.
I don't think Ngannou will get smashed. He's too much of a beast. But he can get outpointed quite routinely here. He will likely only get better. But it's tough to learn on the job.
Ngannou has the biggest neck and noggin on him, I wonder if Joshua can actually knock him out, hope Francis can put AJ down at least.
Joshua can't knock Ngannou out by power alone. Neck has nothing to do with chin endurance . That's a myth.
Wladimir had a big neck and he was chinny as hell.
Probably does
Show’s you the state of heavyweight boxing
I recall when they kept saying AJ or Fury were the goat
Lmfao
BTW
Fury was a lot better when he beat Wlad, though.
Wtf
What ?
Fury or mma guy
I meant anybody who judged that a win against Fury is not being objective. Francis barely won a round but people perceive it as him winning due to the knockdown and the question if it would happen again.
Ngannou is one of the biggest outliers in boxing I've seen as a guy with no serious roots in boxing except his desire to box from his youth. He's clearly got skills. If he'd have went into boxing at a more appropriate age I think he'd have touched a belt or maybe even massively changed HW boxing history with his reign.
I really don't feel comfortable saying he beats AJ or AJ beats him. I think the guy we saw fight Fury now with a lil more exp & pro ring confidence beats AJ, but I also think Davison in the corner will be very helpful at developing a plan to beat a better than Fury saw version of Ngannou.
Ultimately I think I lean more Ngannou's way cuz idk that AJ doesn't mentally lose it after getting hit niiiiiice by Ngannou & I fully expect AJ to get to feel Ngannou's power. And HW is the division where power most often negates talent.
Let's not forget that Joshua has lost several times and is just in the sport for the money according to himself. He's not going to fight for it like his life depends on it
Ngannou is a lot tougher than him. But still, Joshua is an elite "boxer puncher" .unlike the finesse boxer Fury last time around.
Is that the Wlad who was washed up and then he wouldn’t rematch ?
That better Fury ?
I wasn't talking about Wlad. Fury was sharper there. He lacked the power punches he has today, but that incarnation would have run circles on Ngannou.
The style Fury adopted against Ngannou was neither her nor there. But he still won most rounds.
Your the only one here saying it
MMA guy can beat the 3, 4 , 5 or wtv but Fury awesome
Not here to argue but pick a side and stick with it
You think chisora beats Ngannou? Or that kickboxing bum who was supposed to fight AJ?
Or that Swed with no chin? Or that Bronze bomber who can't take Furys on-slaught?
Show’s you the state of heavyweight boxing
BTW
Ngannou is by no means a poor boxer in any era... And he frankly lost most rounds against Fury. Anybody who judged that a win against Ngannou is only looking what they want to see.
Its because Fury is so unorthodox, add he looked like he hardly trained, add he is slipping to where I feel Ursk will beat him now , and then we have now Ngannou is in with a class boxer that does things by the book, hard straight jabs and crosses that will tee off on a an MMA guy, in a way I think the Fury fight is a smoke and mirrors thing with Francis in relation to being in with a world-class boxer, Wallin gave Fury loads of trouble and AJ smoked him, I think when AJ is in the zone he is very hard to get around, but on the flip side there is a fragility to him that any HW can capitalize on if they clip him good. But I wouldn't count on being able to counter Fury in the same light as countering AJ as the punches come very different.
Joshua has been neutered by big punches so that's only true in theory. I think he Will hit less Hard than Fury
MMA guy ain’t no world beater brother
Not sure what you see or how long you’ve been seeing
He can and would beat anybody below Joshua and Fury. There's no money in that so he has to fight the big boys.
To be fair fury was being exceptionally sloppy when he got countered there, he was moving in behind his shot so he was in range for a short hook.
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he's always sloppy after His power punches. He doesn't have that athleticism. He's spoken about in the past. Nobody has punished him because the heavies have been in the slum for decades.
Where is it scientifically proven its a myth?
Having a strong neck and traps will most definetly help when absorbing punches and limiting your head spinning
According to researchers, it's your brain vessels that determine how easily you shut off the brain/get knocked out cold. Not neck, mentally, etc.
Wilder is probably the worst boxer I've ever seen at the top level. Timmy Mallet has better technique, never mind Ngannou...
...But he has that equaliser (and very favourable opposition).
Ngannou is compact and very strong. Not convinced he has KO power.
Think both just get outboxed by a decent boxer.
Fury won more rounds in my opinion. By a few pokes. He did not outbox Ngannou at all.
It's a shame Ngannou wasn't more aggressive the last few rounds. He was the better fighter but he was was too cautious after the knockdown.
Ngannou is better technically than Wilder. I was also surprised at how fast such a big guy moved (272 lbs). He kept moving his head and was defensively quite sound. I thought he would look like most of the other UFC/ MMA fighters who transition to boxing. Usually they look terrible..., but not Ngannou. He looks like he should be a full time boxer. He actually knows how to box, not just brawl.
The only thing that surprised me was that he had head movement. I knew he had talent for boxing, even though his MMa fights tended to be wild
Both have a status built solely on putting up a good show against Fury.
The question of ability might be better aimed at Fury than those guys.
I agree it says more about Fury. But Ngannou is a top level boxer, in this era at the very least.
He didn't even show his best stuff. He had a safety first approach. To prove people wrong that he can go the distance.
Will be interesting to see him next up. I'd be shocked if he didn't now campaign in boxing moving forward.
Honestly, I didn't see boxing greatness in Ngannou. Much better than expected and absolute credit to him, but this was all about Fury. I suspect some decent boxers would love to fight Ngannou.
This version of Ngannou would get broken down by 70s Foreman. Ngannou needs much more experience. But he's easily WC caliber this era. He can take a similar approach against Wilder and win.
Wilder would take his head off. Don't forget Wilder is very explosive in the late rounds. As soon as Francis slows down in the later rounds or even before that Wilder will catch him
Wilder can't take Furys punches, but he's supposed to withstand Ngannous?
Ngannou doesn't react to spin kick to the head . A punch is not going to stop him