Good point but I think it's cuz we know what he can and can't do. We've seen him in there struggle with Linares, who isn't really that great, and Loma, who just got exposed.
How did Loma get exposed? He started slow, got pushed around early, and then backed up a wide-eyed Lopez for 6 rounds. All with a ****ed up shoulder.
If anything it shows how small Loma really is. Dude has shoulders the width of my thigh, he can't go up in weight anymore.
I realize he's fought men his weight his whole career while Wilder hasn't.
I was being a smartass but if you're really interested there's a reason why only one MW to HW champion in history actually made weight to do it. I mean from 686 BC to now there is one. I could speak at length to it, but, I don't think your really care if I'm honest.
There's been two. Bob Fitzsimmons and RJJ. Don't be condescending
AND wrong at the same time. It's a bad look.
:lol1: This guy must not know who I am :lol1:
There's a lot more than two who went from MW to HW. Only one made weight. Read the post bud.
Bob Fitzsimmons did not make weight. he was 165 when he won MW and 167 when he won HW. He did not fight at a set weight his entire career, he fought at whatever weight he was comfortable with.
There was no minimum to HW until the 1920s and which is sort of why no MW to HW prior to Roy ever put on the weight to do it, including Bob.
It's difficult because of stamina. In modern boxing the rounds are 3 min with 1 min rest, we can agree on this right? Smaller men recoup energy quicker than bigger men, we can agree on this known element as well right?
Without rules to force them into it no MW in history EVER thought the added weight offsets their added recovery time so they didn't add weight.
You have Pythagoras of Samos and Daniel The Jew Mendoza waaaaaay before Bob, neither of them put on weight to do it.
If I put effort into it, looked at notes and ****, there's more. It was fairly common for MWs to become HW champion until Queensberry and time restraints. It's a bit like Rocky's unbeaten HW champ anecdote. There's ten in bare knuckle history. Rocky's the only in gloved boxing history.
Don't be a flippant little *****. If you wanna know the history of these things I'm the right guy to speak to. If not, go be right somewhere else, I'm not the guy you want. I didn't mean to be condescending, btw.
of course I want to know the history of **** like that, I love reading about it. I just misunderstood what you were trying to say, no worries.
Usyk is in a weird position where he CAN put some clean weight on (muscle) without it really hindering him too much, but I'm not sure it'll serve him well in regards to his style.
It's hard for me to wrap my head around. I think he's the most technically skilled of basically everyone, and on paper his height and weight should be enough to do well in the HWs, but how will his volume punching be affected by more weight? His stamina? His movement? Does he even NEED more weight? Dunno, we'll have to wait and see. Guess that's the fun of it
:lol1: Usyk's a little ***** with nothing to force Deontay out of walking him down and knocking him out :lol1:
You know they weigh the same right?
Why do people keep acting like Usyk is a bantamweight? He's 215 pounds and hasn't even started putting on weight yet (if he plans to). Plus, if size was everything, Butterbean would be undisputed.
" worst cope ever by a group to justify a loss"
Nope. Still Pac/Marquez 4.
No way.
Nobody knows Pacs timing better than Marquez. He had 3 fights of practice!
Pacquiao looked great in that fight until he got caught. It happens.
How could that possibly equate to this *****show of a conspiracy? I guess people could blame it on Pacs foot getting tripped up by Marquez but that's just smart boxing against a southpaw.
Not seeing what Makes Usyk so great. His punches aren't very accurate.
If anything I think it's the opposite... He lands very accurate punches with volume that inevitably stacks on damage over time. To be fair he throws a lot of throwaway punches that mess with his %.
I have him losing to Fury, even though I think he's a "better" boxer. Fury just too big.
Atlas said that he gassed out too early because Beterbiev was in his head, giving him that nervous energy and throwing too much too often.
I don't think he got beat by the pressure, I agree with Atlas. He got beat by not following the game plan and going for broke too quickly. He had the fight in the bag if his stamina was better. The body shots only landed because he was too tired to move his feet, which made him even slower and even easier to hit to the body. Once you're in that cycle it's over.
Usyk is the better boxer.but that str8 right is going to land..not sure whats in Wilders gloves but when he lands its game over
Usyk has the fight the most perfect fight ever. I mean, he can’t even let a piece of wilder’s glove touch his face.
People keep saying **** like this but how is that any different than any other person Wilder fights? EVERYONE wants to avoid his right hand. Does that mean every time it lands it knocks people out? It's impossible to beat Wilder if you get hit by his right hand?
And as far as Usyk is concerned, why would he need to fight a "perfect fight" and not even let a "piece" of Wilders glove hit him? He's never shown a weak chin as far as I know.
A straight flush from Wilder would be brutal, I'm not saying otherwise, but you can literally use that argument against anyone and I think it's BS.
"Wilder vs a Bengal Tiger? Yeah I dunno, the tiger would definitely get some bites in but if Wilder lands that right??? Game over."
A spread that has moved from 400-550 and climbing states otherwise. Harder for you to get money on Canelo. The fight is signed, sealed, and delivered. Like one insider said, the fight was done before they stepped in the ring. What's the next big fight? I'll catch the youtube highlights on this one.
Why even be a member on a boxing forum, or even watch boxing in general, if you're going to be this pessimistic about a match? Ok, Canelo is the golden boy and has some meh decisions on his record but so what? That means Bivol is going to take a dive? That the judges are paid off by mystery Vegas mafia?
Maybe if you stop being a degenerate and gambling and losing all your money and you'll be a little less bitter? You realize that Vegas moves the money line around based on the vig, regardless of outcome, right?
Ridiculous. The only way Haney wins is if the ref allows him to hug all night long. But even then, Loma is great at breaking clinches. Haney will get overwhelmed and outclassed the same way Lopez did in the later rounds. Only difference is Haney won't have the ability to be dangerous in the 12th. Haney better hope that Loma was lying about his shoulder in the Lopez fight because if not, rounds 1-6 will look a lot different.
By the way, people don't seem to realize just good Ortiz is, how much experience he already had sparring Loma and how long he trained for that fight. Months and months. Loma was coming out of a war, literally, and a year layoff.
Canelo KO'ing Kovalev was better than anything Borat has done in his whole career. And Borat is supposed to be the "power guy".
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.AsFZTeon37vxvbwyro6icgHaEK?pid=Api&rs=1
Borat got beat down in that 2nd Canelo fight. That fight itself was close in round by round scoring but Borat got BEAT DOWN.
This is such a tired, casual take on boxing. BRO LOOK AT HIS FACE, THAT MEANS HE TOTALLY LOST!
Some people get swollen after 1 punch, especially eastern Euros who have decades of scar tissue, giant cheekbones, and pronounced brows. This literally means nothing.
Guess you think Clottey BTFO of Pac too, right? Those 9 punches a round really ****ed him up, bro!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LTzgVyn4LgM/hqdefault.jpg
Fury would be the hardest fight for Usyk, their technical skill level is comparable but Fury is just so much bigger than him it makes it almost impossible. Wilder would do what he does best and spend 12 rounds looking to land just one right hand, it would be like him fighting a smaller faster Fury. Joshua is a better boxer than Wilder but not as good technically as Usyk and Fury so it would be best if he's light enough to go 12 rounds of ring-cutting but not so light he loses KO power.
This is the correct response.
Wilder is completely and hilariously technical ****, AJ only slightly better with Fury and Usyk light-years ahead of both.
Usyk would make Wilder look ridiculous unless he gets caught, in which case Wilder will celebrate as if he didn't just get embarrassed for the entire fight.
Having said that, I think AJ is a good matchup for Usyk too, simply because AJ has shown he's not great against volume punchers, he doesn't have the same right hand as Wilder, and Usyk vacated CW looking to be the one to dethrone AJ, so he obviously sees something about him that he can exploit.
Usyk like everyone else sees athe Joshua payday and his eyes turn to $ symbols. I just don't think Usyk has the power to deter Joshua, who would end it as soon as he lands big even if behind on the cards. He'd approach the fight as a more technically sound Wilder
Maybe you're right, we'll see. I like Usyk but I'm not going to pretend I'm not nervous seeing him go up against giant 250lbs monsters.
Usyk said he was purposefully letting the fight stretch out a bit against Witherspoon, and that could be him saving face or the truth, who knows, but I'd like to see him fight 1 or 2 other people before the top 3.
He has volume, speed, mobility and experience on his side but not much power. Volume and counter punching are his best bets for KOs, otherwise he'll be going 12 rounds vs these guys and that'll be tough.
Strange how Fury never addressed the floppy left gloves
What is there to address? That's what horsehair does when it gets wet... It clumps and gets flexible. Very few people use horsehair boxing gloves anymore.
Thought Joe would last at least 2 ,DDD making U.S impression I guess not and not taking his time . First guy to stop Joe so there’s that .
Joe had only a few weeks for this fight camp and couldn't find anyone his size or skill level to spar. He also hadn't been in front of that many people before and his nervousness was evident.
As usual, having the money and connections to train fulltime and spar quality opponents whenever you need to is a game changer. Dubois was just too strong and has great timing.
Lol sounds like someone didn't watch the fight
Loma looked like shyt against a 21 yr old nobody lol
Ortiz trained for 5 months for this fight, Loma a few weeks. Not to mention Ortiz already had experience sparring Loma for dozens of rounds while mimicking another fighters style. So not only was he more prepared physically, he was already familiar with Loma's tactics. I'm sure Loma had an idea as well, but Ortiz sparred exclusively as a southpaw (or maybe it was Orthodox I don't remember) so he was a different boxer on fight night.
All of that aside, Ortiz will be a champion one day and just another great resume win for Loma.
I think AJ wins this, Usyk is just too small and AJ is the best Heavyweight he will face. Rooting for Usyk but chances are very slim. AJ will use his speed, weight and power to keep Usyk out side and will batter him. One Big Plus doe - Papachenko might have something up his sleeves.
Skill wise Usyk is there but he's just too small to be in there with Joshua Wilder Fury.
Usyk is 6'3" or 6'4" and up to 230lbs.
AJ is a short 6'6" and 237lbs.
Usyk is taller than Ruiz, heavier than Wilder, and about the same size as Povetkin with way more stamina, speed and volume.
Yeah AJ is stronger but the size difference isn't as huge as everyone is making it out to be.
Ggg has fought No One, yet u mutha****as talk about him as he is done much. He dont move up and dares to be great. He is fighting uber drivers and **** yet praised for these performances. Foh he is trash, Dave L class c, rosado class c fighter also who the **** did he beat?
Not his fault people avoided him like the plague his entire career. Everyone was too terrified to fight him and the only reason anyone will now is because he's old af. Canelo doesn't want a 3rd fight because he knows it'll be another war. Like Mayweather before him, he's learned to pick the easiest battles for the highest rewards. He's not interested in slugging it out with someone he can't hurt, he wants to roid up and walk over people for more money.