:lol1: This guy must not know who I am :lol1:
There's a lot more than two who went from MW to HW. Only one made weight. Read the post bud.
Bob Fitzsimmons did not make weight. he was 165 when he won MW and 167 when he won HW. He did not fight at a set weight his entire career, he fought at whatever weight he was comfortable with.
There was no minimum to HW until the 1920s and which is sort of why no MW to HW prior to Roy ever put on the weight to do it, including Bob.
It's difficult because of stamina. In modern boxing the rounds are 3 min with 1 min rest, we can agree on this right? Smaller men recoup energy quicker than bigger men, we can agree on this known element as well right?
Without rules to force them into it no MW in history EVER thought the added weight offsets their added recovery time so they didn't add weight.
You have Pythagoras of Samos and Daniel The Jew Mendoza waaaaaay before Bob, neither of them put on weight to do it.
If I put effort into it, looked at notes and ****, there's more. It was fairly common for MWs to become HW champion until Queensberry and time restraints. It's a bit like Rocky's unbeaten HW champ anecdote. There's ten in bare knuckle history. Rocky's the only in gloved boxing history.
Don't be a flippant little *****. If you wanna know the history of these things I'm the right guy to speak to. If not, go be right somewhere else, I'm not the guy you want. I didn't mean to be condescending, btw.
of course I want to know the history of **** like that, I love reading about it. I just misunderstood what you were trying to say, no worries.
Usyk is in a weird position where he CAN put some clean weight on (muscle) without it really hindering him too much, but I'm not sure it'll serve him well in regards to his style.
It's hard for me to wrap my head around. I think he's the most technically skilled of basically everyone, and on paper his height and weight should be enough to do well in the HWs, but how will his volume punching be affected by more weight? His stamina? His movement? Does he even NEED more weight? Dunno, we'll have to wait and see. Guess that's the fun of it
I realize he's fought men his weight his whole career while Wilder hasn't.
I was being a smartass but if you're really interested there's a reason why only one MW to HW champion in history actually made weight to do it. I mean from 686 BC to now there is one. I could speak at length to it, but, I don't think your really care if I'm honest.
There's been two. Bob Fitzsimmons and RJJ. Don't be condescending
AND wrong at the same time. It's a bad look.
Regarding the last part, if Fury is nothing else, he's always over confident. He will want to get his pound of flesh back from DW and it will cost him dearly.
I'm reading the thread and man you sound like a hardcore groupie man lol. Relax a little. He will do this and do that.
Sticking to a pick is better, imho, than flip plopping and then put on airs as if a person knew it all along instead of own being wrong.
Prior to Andy pulling off his fluke....crickets chirping
Afterwards, holy shlt, everyone was a life long* Andy fan who ''knew all along''.
That ''I told you all'' bullshlt is what I'm talking about.
The ability to give honest assessments and own being wrong, when a person is wrong, is the way to be.
*= as far back as the Parker fight :lol1: !!!!!!
So what exactly are you talking about?
If that's your interpretation then fine. However, many felt that Jack Reiss was overly gracious and generous with his ten count. Moreover, many thought that Fury didn't beat the count and thought that had it been another referee he would have easily counted him out or waved the fight off.
Lol.....who are the many? Just you pbc boys think the count was slow like you have refereed a match before.
Fury gave him a black eye, thats what the spectators saw, not just me.
Well it shouldn't be drastic or such a reversal.
No backtracking. Pick a side a stand by it.
Lol.....boxing is not a blind sport. One need to look at the advantages and disadvantages if both fighters to draw conclusion based on his own analysis. You don't just choose side like a blind sheep.
Yeah that's true, but I feel like Usyk posses no physical threat and would be too small for Wilder not to eventually connect hard and mow him down. He'll probably make Wilder look like a amateur for a few rounds before the bomb catches him.
I think the top three guys beat uysk though. Am a fan of uysk but time will tell.
Yeah fury made it through but he has a height and reach advantage that keeps his head out of Wilder's range and still ended up getting tagged in the 12th.
Usyk isnt going to have that. He is going to want to fight defensively, which would normally mean boxing on the outside, but that would be terrible for him to be on the outside with wilder in range, so he is going to want to fight defensively in close range with Wilder probably backing up to reset the range and give him space.
With Usyk looking slower, I see him getting caught and sparked out.
Smiles.....everybody seems correct, thats why I love pre-match analysis.
Its hard to escape wilder for 12 especially when he becomes inpatient. He throws in right-left -right combinations with bad intent. I think only another puncher can keep wilder at bay knowing any mistake from him can cost him the fight too, so he also will fight with caution.
You know they weigh the same right?
Why do people keep acting like Usyk is a bantamweight? He's 215 pounds and hasn't even started putting on weight yet (if he plans to). Plus, if size was everything, Butterbean would be undisputed.
Thats what stands out to me also, Usyk & Wilder weigh pretty much the same, obviously Wilder is taller with a reach advantage and power.
Usyk has better footwork, technique & volume IMO.
The danger for Usyk is Wilder carrying that power all fight, the danger for Wilder is Usyk just outboxing him like Fury did but with a higher work rate.
Regardless I think Usyk probably believes what he is saying, I'd love to see it either way.
:lol1: Usyk's a little ***** with nothing to force Deontay out of walking him down and knocking him out :lol1:
You know they weigh the same right?
Why do people keep acting like Usyk is a bantamweight? He's 215 pounds and hasn't even started putting on weight yet (if he plans to). Plus, if size was everything, Butterbean would be undisputed.
If Wilder landed that straight right Chazz did on Usyk in the 1st round it might have been lights out. That punch stopped Usyk in his tracks. He rubbed his eye & immediately put his hands up. He recovered fine but that wasn't coming from Wilder. That was the best punch Chazz landed all fight...
IDK why Usyk thinks wilder will be so easy.
Wilder's power is so far beyond anything Usyk has ever seen.
It just takes one slip for him to be knocked out cold. He would have to fight this fight with defense as the number one priority over landing his own shots.
Meanwhile Wilder could afford to take considerable risk in looking to land his right hand, as he is used to bigger guys with a lot more power than Usyk. Usyk would really want to get into a close range, not at the tip of Wilder's overhand right.
Yea. Usuk is my fave HW right now but I think he's deluded to think Wilder is a good fight for him. Usyk has decent defense but he's definitely hittable and simply doesn't have the size or power to keep Wilder off of him. Wilder is a slob of a puncher but he has that speed and spooky power. If he's dropping Fury, he's dropping and stopping Usyk.
I think better fights for Usyk are guys who he can out-hustle. AJ would be a good fight for him. Ruiz too. Those guys have power but can be avoided and out-worked.
:lol1: Usyk's a little ***** with nothing to force Deontay out of walking him down and knocking him out :lol1:
he doesn't need to be mike tyson, wilder will be easy to hit and his chin isn't good. fury hurt him after almost being KO'd in the 12th