I had loma winning the fight 9-2 going into the 12th. He has every right to be upset
I'm in the same boat, had him at 18-0 by round 6. Only because you can only give a fighter a maximum of 3 points a round.
The ring generalship was insane. He put on a clinical Ukranian dance performance, whilst also downloading a full terabyte blueprint of Teo in the first 6 rounds.
And that veteran move in round 12 where it looked like he was about to be knocked down, but really he was baiting Teo into his head. Never seen anything like it.
I can't wait to watch the video in slow motion to see the real scorecards.
I really don't think Lopez would give him the rematch. #1) he knows the fight was close so why risk losing the belts. #2) his face looked like skeletor at the weigh-ins. #3) he wants Loma to become less relevant, so he can be the new cash cow.
We may have watched Loma get old overnight and his prime has passed. I've always contended that the only thing could beat Loma was FatherTime. A lot of guys on here thought he was already on the down slide, before the Lopez fight...
This is why so many posters are trolling his fan base. Against Campbell Loma struggled to get in although he won decisively. Teo is faster, he fights with his hands down which shuts down a huge part of Loma's game (taking away opponents vision).
He can also throw body shots faster with his hands down preventing Loma from taking an angle, as well as throw an uppercut if he tries to get past the jab.
To make matters worse, him and his dad have probably been refining this game plan over the last two years. Where as Loma thought after seeing one round of Teo that he would school him.
Give the guy credit, that could have been a winnable fight for Loma had he come up with multiple game plans and realized just what he was up against in Teo.
Loma was completely stumped, he tried so many times to feint, step forward but Teo didn't even react because he knew exactly what to look for. Literally 90% of people picked Loma, reality was that Teo is a lot better than what most people thought, myself included.
Next fight he is only going to get better.
Linares landed himself a bout in which the winner would fight the champ Uchiyama. Linares got KO'ed in the first round.
Moved up and fought a few fights at lightweight before fighting DeMarco for a vacant belt (Yes same DeMarco that made Broner elite).
Tough fight which he did pretty well in until getting stopped in the late rounds. Next fight he got stopped in the 2nd round by Thompson
Fought a few fights, built himself up again, then flew to the UK to get a belt. 1 dollar Crolla and Campbell's soup. Campbell's toughest challenge outside of Loma came from multi-ko victim Linares who booked a ticket to scour the world for belt holders that weren't big punchers.
Say what you want about Campbell, but Garcia is no joke. And I'll tell you why: I thought some of Garcia's KO's were setups at one point because it appeared that guys were dropping after not even being hit. They had to slow that **** down for me to actually see that he hit the guy (usually with his left hook) for me to realize he has devastating KO power. He might have the strongest punches in the game. He has the best left hook in at lightweight, Lopez included. If Garcia can get his head on straight, he has a very promising career. He needs to fix a few things before moving up to other weight classes.
And you can never **** on Linares. That guy is one of the most skilled boxers in the game. That Haney fight was really close, and he had Haney trying to have sex with him in the middle of the ring. That's how bad Haney was. I've never seen a boxer charge another boxer and tackle him just so he can be up next to him. **** was unreal and Haney should have been docked a point for repeated and flagrant leg humping.
Linares is my guy. Everyone believed he'd go very far, and if it weren't for some bad decisions (two corrupt ones occurring in Mexico) and his propensity for cutting, he would have a much different record than he does now.
Is Loma an ATG? Well, his career is not over yet, so we have to see. But before Duran beat Barkley, he was losing to Wilfredo Benitez and a whole host of other boxers as he moved up in weight. So cut the **** man. You don't know what you're talking about when you say this crap.
Two corrupt ones in Mexico? Are you serious? One lost was in Japan.
https://youtu.be/9gROWrZdbaI
This got stopped on cuts, if it didn't he would have gotten knocked out badly.
https://youtu.be/Hi7Wd1-1ckQ?t=595
Linares gets clipped and his out. That simple, and even crude punchers can still land on him because he doesn't have elite defense to hide his weakness. Uchiyama was like the GGG of 130, Linares got knocked out by Salgado and couldn't get to him. Had Linares beaten Salgado he would have gotten brutally knocked out by Uchiyama.
He flew over to the UK to fight for a belt after back to back losses (trinity with Crolla, Campbell and himself). Had Linares dared to rematch the opponents that took him out early it would have been another brutal KO and the end of his career as well as earnings. Gamboa would have beaten the snot out of him back then, he was an absolute beast.
Cano knock out was obvious to anyone following his career. Duran would lay out Linares in 1 round and you know it. Duran was at 154 and way out of his natural weight division and Wilfredo Benitez is one of the best defensive fighters all of time, in a different league to Linares. Kirkland and Sims were bad losses but when compared to Linares's losses age, weight big difference. Linares can't dare to be great like Duran, he has to stay in his lane and swerve opponents to showcase his ability and hide his weakness.
Broner was right in the phone booth with DeMarco, made Broner look absolutely elite. One sided beat down whilst barely getting touch.
See ... this is why I wonder why I even entertain these conversation with people who don't even know what they **** they are talking about. Demarco was 33 when he fought Broner. And after the Broner loss, he went on to lose six more fights out of 10 fights before he retired. If you don't know what you are talking about, it's best to keep quiet. :lol1:
I don't even know why you are bringing up Duran and Benitez here. What's the point? It's not even relevant to the discussion. I also said that when Duran moved up in weight, he began to suffer losses. That's why I had mentioned Duran and Benitez. I never compared Linares to Duran, especially not in the sense that you are trying to make it sound.
I think you are arguing in bad faith right now. I never said Linares was equal to the legendary Benitez. What I am saying is that Linares is better than many give him credit for. The loss to Demarco was unfortunate because of Linares having the worst cut man ever, and then the loss to Sergio was absurd because I've seen a hundred fights where the cut was much worse and the doctor let the fight continue.
But the point I was making was that once Linares teamed up with Ismael Salas, he looked unstoppable. He suffered some losses, then teamed up with Salas and had ten or more wins in a row. The moment he left Salas (which was for the Lomachenko fight) he starts to lose again. And the point I'm making is that he really is a fantastic fighter but made some unfortunate decisions in his career. But I am not comparing him to Benetiz. Where you got that from I have no idea.
Yeah. He left Salas at that point and began training himself, so he went back to his old ways. Not everyone can keep going up in weight. He had already campaigned at three different weight classes.
Like I said, when you have a good trainer in your corner, it can make all the difference in the world. Salas had corrected that mistake. Yes, he was getting hit with overhand rights all the time, until he teamed up with Salas. Linares' mistake was to think he knew how to train himself. When he fought Haney, he had his brother in his corner. I assume he just didn't want to spend the money on a trainer at that point. I don't know what the story is.
There's some truth to that, but I still think you are selling Linares short here. And it's not just I who think highly of Linares but many in the business do too.
You said he got 2 bad ref losses when he got flattened which is even worst than me. So don't talk. My whole point is people are trying to put Loma on a pedestal and already talks of him being best 135 pounder of all time. He has one of the most complex styles of boxing ever seen in the ring, no doubt. But he needs the wins to back the eye test.
He (Duran) lost to the likes of Benitez, came off as if you implied Benitez is not that great of a fighter. I am basing Linares on his opponent. Do you have any idea how many people picked Campbell in the boxing community and would laugh when people said Garcia would KO him and bam.
People can talk about how good Linares's skill is all they want, how unstoppable he is but you are only as good as your opponent. Many boxers have gone on and done the same thing against lesser opponents. Campbell is his signature win, that's the problem and yes I know he looked great against Loma. And for your information, I rate Linares better than Haney even though he lost, I know Linares is at the tail end. As for Haney, I see it LOL don't you worry.
Loma has Garcia/Haney/Kambosos/Davis that would raise his resume considerably, and people finally can brag about his skills because he has a string of quality wins against various styles. But getting them in the ring is another story. He also threw away, way too many rounds against Lopez.
Nope. You are wrong. Linares would have schooled all of them, easily. He was a changed man once he paired with Ismael Salas. Once he was with him, he couldn't lose. He outboxed everyone. Even Emanuel Steward said he was one of the most incredible boxers he had ever seen. Near perfect. Coming from Steward, that means everything.
No. That fight with Broner was simply DeMarco at the tail end of a downward trajectory. He wasn't the boxer he had been before. Then, on top of that, you had Broner at his peak, putting on the performance of his career. So that is the why for that and has no reflection on Linares. In fact, Linares was having a perfect fight until the cut on the bride of his nose and eye. Not only did that happen, but he had the worst cut man in the history of boxing in his corner that night. (Well, maybe Beterbiev's cut man from the other night was worse.) His cut man kept forgetting his gear, and then when he had it, he'd drop the q-tips. **** was unreal. And that was a fluke with Cano. It also happened to occur once he left Salas and took his training into his own hands. That was Linares' worst mistake. But it doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best three-division champs to fight in the squared circle.
Wrong? First you said he lost from dodgy referring. I post actual proof of his losses, then you say I'm wrong and move the conversation to his trainer? DeMarco was done at 25-26 years old? Are your serious?
One of the best? He has never beaten an elite, nor gotten to them when he had the chance. His best win is Campbell. You said Duran losing to the likes of Wilfredo Benitez (showing your ignorance once again) who is close to within the top 20 154 pounders of all time, and is in the top 10 best defensive fighters of all time. Benitez also won world titles in 3 different weight divisions during a time with 8 divisions and same day weigh ins.
Linares's skills and achievements do not come close to Benitez (who was the youngest champion ever in his heyday 17 years old and was a major challenge for the FAB 4 fighting Leonard on only 2 weeks notice and give him hell). Linares would get laid out within the first 2 rounds against any of the FAB 4 if he was their size. Benitez is capable of beating Linares in his prime at the age of 17. This is exactly what I am talking about, complete lack of knowledge of the champions of old. Many of us fans watch fights and careers way before our time and still enjoy them and know what they could do.
Changed man yet gets laid out by Cano with ease same way as Thompson and Salgado? What was different between Cano and his other early knock outs? I said he cannot hide his weakness, doesn't matter how good you are if you can get tagged with big shots and lack the punch resistance to weather it. Cano was stepping forward, lunging in without his feet fully planted and that was all that was needed. Although Cano is a big puncher, still.
Only thing he could have done is adopt a style like Wlad. Loma can hit hard, but he never fully commits with wide looping haymakers. Prime Linares gets tagged with a big shot from M.Garcia/R.Garcia/G Davis/Gamboa/Uchiyama/Takashi Miura and many more and he is out cold.
Skilled inside boxers that charge him and are big punchers will lay him out every time. He does not have the elite defense to hide his weakness, his weakness being his chin that simple. Tommy Hearns also had average punch resistance, but offset it with insane reach, power, speed and a killer jab (same day weigh ins and moved up to LHW also so no not a weight bully). Duran is in Steward's top 10 list best fighters of all time.
Because he's white.
End of thread.
It's more to do with the fanboys when it comes to the hate. Loma is a phenomenal fighter, and king of AM, but Pro is a different ball game.
Fanboys will push the narrative that Loma is the GOAT and would beat anyone in history P4P. The harder his fanboys push the narrative, the more disrespect they show to the history of the sport, the more haters Loma will get. Fanboys think Loma beating Campbell and Linares is enough to propel him to ATG HOF GOAT because he is undersized. Yet most of them have probably never seen or heard of Duran vs Barkley or SRL vs Hearns.
His fanboys were so confident that Campbell is an elite win, that they would laugh at the idea that Ryan Garcia would beat him. Then bam, 23 year old prospect that may not even reach elite status lays him out. And Linares never got to beat the top guy in Uchiyama (who would have flattened him in 1 round), because he kept getting laid out then flew over to the U.K to fight Crolla and Campbell.
That is the super elite win they like to push on the ignorant masses that never followed Linares's career. They are also quick to call Linares shot after losing to Haney. But anyone questioning Rigo's peak and size, they don't want a bar of it. Rigo is his best win, but comes with a major asterisk too.
Best training camp ever, Manny is now two handed fighter with more power and speed at ww, JMM moving up in weight plus age is to our advantage k.o in 6 rounds, all words coming from Pac's team.
Now after a not so convincing win (debatable loss) I eeeeeeeerr ahhhh leg cramp, making excuses every time he has a controversial close fight whether he wins/draws/loses is not something a warrior would do, a warrior would suck up his pride and take it like a man, not try to discredit his opponents by making excuses for his performance.
Potential matches like these with up and comers challenging some of the best out there should have contracts that stipulate winner takes all. Although Khan I assume is already loaded with cash, it would alteast deter some others from mouthing off and trying to attain a match with some of the best boxers out there and cashing in even after getting their asses handed to them.
If flores had fought with tyson, he would have thrown himself to the ground after 1 second
He would get KO'ed when they touch gloves before the match starts.