Spadafora is a joke fight.. why take this fight? he gets no credit for beating on 35 yr old spadafora who is really 2 weight divisions below.. Manny is fighting many weight divisions above.. floyds going to fight someone way below again.. then probably make a catch weight of say 143 and just not bother making weight but make the other guy make the weight.
manny shouldnt be fighting shane and floyd shouldnt be fighting spadafora... so pathetic all this.. so so pathetic
$2 million is a lot... i doubt cotto will come overweight.
Cotto is not mayweather he is fair, humble and sporting he will come in at 145.
Your sig is comical by the way..
In the pro's its not marked simply on who lands more as you should know its scored on clean and effective punches, effective aggression and ring generalship on a round by round basis on a 10 point system.
It wasn't an amateur fight...
David Price is a bum, he has been fighting only bums too.
Like all british fighters, he fights nobodies and idiot brit fans who know nothing about the sport buy the hype.
Fuck em.'
Real intelligent guy there, great logical reasoning.
Let's say perhaps everyone he fought is a bum, then surely he's unproven seen as hes pretty much knocked them all out?
I bet you haven't even seen him fight. Evidently not even attempting to shake the stereotype that americans talk so much mindless garbage.
Ogogo needs to fight at least 7-8 time a year.
Why? That would mean by the time he is 30 he would be pushing 50 fights. Who really boxes 8 times a year these days?
He's signed with golden boy, I'd expect 4-5 fights a year more realistically.
But why would you say he needs to?
Ogogo needs to fight at least 7-8 time a year.
Schaefer has said Ogogo will hopefully box about 8 times in his first year. After that I'm guessing he fights about 4-5 times as his built up then goes to 3 ifghts a year if he moves to world level.
I saw Ogogo at the Olympics and he has a style that can adapt well to the pros although the Jr fight seems like a good 2-3 years down the line.
However, I do like the sound of his ambition, he obviously wants to be a star and hopefully he knows he can only be a star if he fights the best
Fair point.. 8 bums to showcase and gain experience in first year is the norm, but not every year. He's a good fighter, be interesting to see how his story unfolds in due course
Tyson vs Hollyfield 2 sold around 2 million PPVs and that's the highest ever in boxing. UFC 100 sold around 1.6-1.7 million PPVs and considering the fact boxing has a 100 year advantage compared to MMA which is a very young sport, that's quite impressive.
PRIDE Shockwave 2002, btw, had 91,108 spectators, and PRIDE Final Conflict 2003 had over 67,450 people in the audience. I think that's well over 50 000, wouldn't you agree?
Well the highest PPV ever was actually Floyd vs Oscar at 2.3 million.. I'll take your word on the other figures. Theres no doubt its catching up in popularity. Much more real and damning to me is seeing the effect first hand, several of my friends have switched from my boxing gym to MMA recently. That's more down to the ease of getting pro fights in MMA than boxing.
That Khan has achieved more at this stage of his career (aged 22, with 22 professional fights) than either Calzaghe or Hatton had achieved at the same stage of their careers. No amount of bluster on your part will change that fact. Comparing the career resumé of a 22 year old with those of two fighters at the end of their careers is absolutely ridiculous. The only meaningful comparison is between his record after 22 fights and their record after 22 fights.
And if you really think that any title holder is "the easiest pickings out there" you've lost all credibility. Kotelnik may not have been the best title holder but he is a still a good fighter who recently beat Maidana, who himself recently beat Ortiz. There are far worse fighters in the world that Kotelnik. To pretend he's the world's worst fighter is just stupid.
And comparing a WBU title with a world title is just silly.
Comparing the career resumé of a 22 year old with those of two fighters at the end of their careers is absolutely ridiculous
At what point did I do that?
Besides I wasn't even arguing who/is/will be better. Simply giving great fighters the recognition they deserve and not letting idiots write off their whole careers in a sentence
And if you really think that any title holder is "the easiest pickings out there" you've lost all credibility.
tripping over yourself left right and centre
. And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.
So let me get this right your point has absolutely nothing to do with my original post whatsoever? NOTHING...
and after dissing me for not practicing what I preach... were all the details in my original post correct? YES...
and did you miss the point of the original poster? yes..
Which would be what? a problem with 'reading comprehension.'
Then you should learn some reading comprehension.
I at no point said Kotelnik was the easiest fighter in the world. He was the easiest pickings for khan thats pretty much undisputed throughout boxing circles.
The other champions he could of faced were Juan Manuel Marquez, Edwin Valero, Juan Urango and Kendall Holt..
now you are telling me I am losing all credibility for saying Kotelnik is the weakest link out of them 5 names?
You're making yourself look stupid. Basically you decided to diss me, you don't really know what your argument is or where its leading to. The more you post, the more people will read this and the more people will realise what verbal diarrohea you post. As its so evident you want people to think you know what you're talking about, it's probably wise to just let this thread disappear and don't embarass yourself further with a reply.
Don't you know how don kings boxing works, you get points for running and barely landing anything until the 12th round where you actually start to land punches. Don't you know how Don King rolls? Don't you know we judge fights by only one round that Haye actually does something in when his opponent is tired of chasing his ass around.
Don King now has the rights to Haye, you clearly don't know how things work. Don King will profit off of Hayes next 3 fights. Valuev was close to retirement anyways. Part of the contract was for Don King to have the rights for Hayes next 3 fights, which means Don King makes money off of it. :dunce:
I clearly dont.
I was under the assumption that Golden Boy had signed Haye for his next 3 fights.. thanks for making me aware! Where are your sources for that?
wasnt Valuev saying he wants to fight on until he becomes world champion again.. only today? but hes close to retirement?..
link me up to the bit where Don King now owns Haye and the bit where Valuev says hes close to retirement please.
DeGale needs to calm down and do something in the sport b4 he opens his mouth
although i agree with you that hes a little too big for his own shoes with the things hes saying...
he has done something in the sport already.. hes as highly decorated as he could of been up to this point.. yeah hes only a fledgling in the pro world but hes still a gold medallist, thats an achievement to be proud of!
Floyd Mayweather the great disappointment.
I wonder whether Floyd himself actually feels a disappointed. He must know deep down that in his heart of hearts he needed to do more. Fight the best to be the best. Surely he must have these intrusive thoughts?
Try reading your original post. You claimed that Khan isn't as good as Calzaghe or Hatton because he hasn't yet beaten anyone as good as Tszyu or Lacy.
My original post in its entirety. Doesnt even mention Khan. Are you really this stupid or is this an act?
My original post defends both hatton and calzaghe for the wins against Lacy and Tszyu. Who YOU said were past it. Who YOU misquoted records. You are still missing the point entirely. Dave do yourself a favour and re-read this thread from when I first posted. Read it a few times because its obviously hard for you to take this stuff in. Then hopefully you will see like everyone else can what a fool you are making of yourself.
Thats a typical example of why i try to avoid boxing forums.
Someone who is obviously new to the game talking garbage with enough conviction to believe its gospel.
Best wins against past their best fighters like Jeff Lacy who at the time was 21-0-0 a champion and 'americas next big thing' or perhaps Kessler? who is universally recognised as the number 1 supermiddleight NOW.
Kostya Tszyu on a thirteen fight winning streak and only beaten once prior, Castillo only a couple of fights after his demolition of corrales?
I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones.:duh:
Don't you know how don kings boxing works, you get points for running and barely landing anything until the 12th round where you actually start to land punches. Don't you know how Don King rolls? Don't you know we judge fights by only one round that Haye actually does something in when his opponent is tired of chasing his ass around.
How does that make sense at all?
Valuev is part owned by Don King.. Why would he want to rig a fight to make his own boxer lose?
I respect Khan for this decision. He is not like Calzaghe and Hatton, protected european hyejobs. Who's best win are past their prime fighters.
I actually won't matter seeing Khan beat Bradley or Alexander
Thats a typical example of why i try to avoid boxing forums.
Someone who is obviously new to the game talking garbage with enough conviction to believe its gospel.
Best wins against past their best fighters like Jeff Lacy who at the time was 21-0-0 a champion and 'americas next big thing' or perhaps Kessler? who is universally recognised as the number 1 supermiddleight NOW.
Kostya Tszyu on a thirteen fight winning streak and only beaten once prior, Castillo only a couple of fights after his demolition of corrales?
I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones.:duh:
Knowing Manny and his history, he will probably choose Cotto at a catchweight, since Miguel is coming off a devastating loss and brutal beating. Unlike the other two, who are better boxers with less wear and tear on their bodies, that are better equipped to beat Manny.
what fight did you see cotto in last? not the one i saw
Terrible article..
Yes Manny moved up in weight and performed well in doing so.
Yes, Jmm didnt perform so well against a superb defence boxer with clear height, weight and reach advantages.
Yes Manny is clear favourite.
Styles make fights.... this is a fight fans DO want to see and have done for a long time. JMM deserves this fight and Manny needs to settle the doubters. Chances are Manny is going to knock him out but that's for us to see come saturday night.
Knockdowns aside JMM has won more rounds against manny than other way round.. that can't be denied. I fail to see how it isn't a good match up. I'm guessing aprrox 1.3m PPV buyers or more will agree also.
Calzaghe beat Lacy in his 41st professional fight at the age of 34.
Hatton beat Tszyu in his 39th professional fight, when he was 25. And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.
Khan has has only had 22 professional fights and is only 22 years old. When Calzaghe and Hatton were at that stage of their careers they had not achieved anything meaningful - and were still three years away from winning their first major titles.
You should practice what you preach - "I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones.:duh:"
You have lost me completely or rather I believe YOU'RE lost completely.
Calzaghe beat Lacy in his 41st professional fight at the age of 34.
Surely its an even greater feat if Calzaghe was to beat a younger undefeated champion.
Khan has has only had 22 professional fights and is only 22 years old.
So what's your point here? that Khans career defining fight is and always will be against Kotelnik?
His original point was that Calzaghe and Hattons best wins were against past their prime fighters?
I respect Khan for this decision. He is not like Calzaghe and Hatton, protected european hyejobs. Who's best win are against past their prime fighters.
At the time of the fight -
Jeff Lacy 21-0-0 2-1 FAVOURITE in bookies.
IBF super middleweight title
IBO International Boxing Organisation super middleweight title
At the time of the fight -
Kostya Tsyzu 30-1-0 4-1 FAVOURITE in bookies.
WBC light welterweight title
WBA Super World light welterweight title
IBF light welterweight title
Can you really say a fighter unbeaten in 8 years and a current reigning 3 time world champion viewed by the bookies as a 4 to 1 favourite as past it? REALLY? You can say he's past it AFTER he loses his belts sure..
"When Calzaghe and Hatton were at that stage of their careers they had not achieved anything meaningful"
Fight 22 Amir Khan beats the easiest pickings out there in Kotelnik.
Fight 23 Joe Calzaghe beats the legend that is Chris Eubank.
Fight 23 Ricky Hatton knocks out Tony Pep for WBU light weltweight belt aged 22 and younger than khan was by a cpl of months albeit not as prestigious as the WBA.
Besides I wasn't even arguing who/is/will be better. Simply giving great fighters the recognition they deserve and not letting idiots write off their whole careers in a sentence. I think Khan has done a fantastic job achieving what he has. I refuse to hold him in as high regard as either Calzaghe or Hatton until he achieves what they achieved. I believe hes in the best hands with Roach to stand any chance of doing that.
Fact is Calzaghe passed every challenge he faced. He is and always will be a legend and will be obviously be inducted into the hall of fame.
Ricky Hatton, never reached the heights Calzaghe did but still up to this point has only been defeated by two fighters who were both at the time regarded as THE best fighter in the world.
You should practice what you preach - "I think people who have opinions should at least let them be informed ones.:duh:"
Thats almost laughable. Not only was the information correct first time round but I watched these fights first hand. That would surely give me an informed opinion.
I was at the Calzaghe - Eubank fight.
I was at the Hatton - Tyzu fight.
I was at the Khan - Kotelnik fight.
were you?
calzaghe beat hopkins and everyone shouted that hopkins was past it.. hopkins then went on to destroy pavlik and co..
calzaghe deserves more credit for his career stateside
I'm actually really looking forward to this one. Dodson vs Quigley was a contender for british fight of the year in my eyes. The real gone kid is no slouch either despite his poor performance against bendall
the major flaw in the comparison between Lance Armstrong and Manny Pacquiao is...
Lance Armstrong complied with all the mandatory tests that the cycling commision said were necessary, similarly so has Manny Pacquiao he has already said he will comply with any tests that the boxing commision say are necessary and he always has and always came clean.
What is being forced upon Manny is specific to him and not the rest of the boxing world. Yes Lance may of been tested more vigourously than the other cyclists but it was part of what he had to do and any other cyclist would of had to do if they were told to.
yeh he lost but "devistating loss and brutal beating.."
slight exaggeration when you go 12 rounds with floyd mayweather and give him in his own words his hardest fight ever.
I also had it a lot closer than 9 rounds but either or that isnt the point.. the loss was neither devistating nor brutal. He suffered much more devistating and brutal losses to Margarito and Pacman (whatever circumstances behind those losses).. thats undeniable.
And winning streak or not, Tszyu was past his prime, as was Castillo.
Show me one post where I said Lacy or even Tszyu were past it.
And show me one post in which I misquoted anyone's record.
It was more the the wrongful corrections of the record examples I laid out which were right, it was arrogant and frustrating seen as they were already right in the first place.
Okay I misunderstood your post, apologies. There were so many irrational anti-Khan hater posts in this thread that I read things into your post that weren't there, in a knee-jerk reaction. I thought you were trying to put down Khan.
Apology accepted :) I'm not here to argue. But I'll stand firm, especially if I'm right. I'll also be the first to hold my hand up if I'm wrong. But well done for not carrying it on.
I wasn't hating on Khan. The whole issue was the fella who basically implied Hatton and Calzaghe had only ever beaten has beens which is clearly bs. Hatton/Calzaghe up to this point have achieved far more than Khan has. Khan's future is in his and Roach's hands. Sky's the limit?
I do feel slightly aggrieved that Hatton hasnt got the recognition he deserves for his achievements. Calzaghe has but only really by the people who live and breath boxing. Combined record of 91-2-0 with 64 ko's. Defeated countless champions and respectively 12 and 8 straight years of holding world belts. Some serious credit is due for that.
Don King now has the rights to Haye, you clearly don't know how things work. Don King will profit off of Hayes next 3 fights. Valuev was close to retirement anyways. Part of the contract was for Don King to have the rights for Hayes next 3 fights, which means Don King makes money off of it.
I clearly dont.
I was under the assumption that Golden Boy had signed Haye for his next 3 fights.. thanks for making me aware! Where are your sources for that?
wasnt Valuev saying he wants to fight on until he becomes world champion again.. only today? but hes close to retirement?..
link me up to the bit where Don King now owns Haye and the bit where Valuev says hes close to retirement please.
you ever going to get back to me on this one Freddy Krueger?