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Hamed's style was to sit in the pocket and let guys flail and miss, then use his reflexes to evade and land with power to crush them. That style would always be a stylistic problem for B level fighters and a nightmare for C-Level fighters. But as rose up in class and Naz fought the only elite fighter he fought (Barrera) we saw how that turned out. Barrera was the best pocket fighter of his era. He was simply too good to open himself up. Elite IQ boxers would always beat Naz. A more vicious fighter like a young Manny (who coincidentally beat Barrera, a year after MAB beat Naz) would have stopped or KO-ed him. His unorthodox style put him in a bad position to take clean shots. He got away with it most of the time, but he broke too many fundamental rules. I can’t see him ever beating Barrera, and it's a good job he got out early, coz he would have ran into a young Pac-Man, Morales and even a Floyd fight was seriously talked about. His loss to Barrera is by no means shameful but it would have been nice to see how he responded to his first defeat. Instead he fought once more than a year later, looked terrible and retired. His ego and self-belief was shattered by the loss. He was a talented fighter with bad technique and fantastic power. I think he was overrated while he was fighting and underrated now.

RIP Muratalla. Cruz does everything at an elite level to me. But he’s a super skilled black cuban fighter. He has tremendous speed, footwork, defense. But he’s a super skilled black cuban fighter. Skilled defensive fighters (Usyk, Lomachenko) are fine if you're white, if you're black ? Different story. Most people don't appreciate a great skilled black boxer as much as they do a white one (EG Floyd) and rather watch him brawl. It's just like in baseball, most fans want to see a bases loaded gram slam but find "boring" a great pitcher who throws a near perfect game There’s always a racial problem with black cuban fighters and their lack of support. 95% of US based Cubans are white and are not into boxing, their main passion is Baseball and they have a "boxing is for blacks", boxing is not "our thing" mentality. A lot of people don’t realize that white Cubans like Andy Garcia, Marco Rubio, Fidel Castro, Cameroon Diaz is what most cubans look like. They make up around 65%-70% of Cubans. But find me a white Cuban boxer who looks like them ? ….I’ll wait. This is why 98% of Cuban fighters are black. Cuba's main boxing supporters are their Afro-Cubans and 95% of them are inside Cuba. So Cubans fighters are always fighting on away soil. They don't have the hispanic demographic support like Mexicans or Puerto Ricans fighters receive and the Cuban demographic in the US is not as big. Also cuban fighters fall behind because they fight to the level of their competition, because they are so focused on defense and not getting hit. They don't have a level to shift to because their offense isn't as domineering and deep as other elite level fighters (as I say that's ok if you're a white fighter) So Cruz will get the Rigo treatment. "He doesnt sell tickets." "He’s boring." But Cruz is really good, which makes him a high risk, low reward fighter that will be avoided like the plague. I can’t see even the likes of Shakur,Teofimo, Gervonta, Devon rushing to fight him and Keyshawn is about to defect to Cuba. To be honest Cruz is actually way more offensive than most cubans but like most Cuban fighters he can't speak a lick of English. Cubans remind me of filipinos in the sense that they didnt make an impact as a group until one guy put them on the world map as an emerging pool of pro talent. First Pac-Man then Nonito Donaire. Look at Cotto, he found his voice and fanbase when he spoke English and Spanish. We can say the demand to speak English is unfair, well maybe if the moustache one from Germany had won WW2 we'd all be speaking German but the most influential empires of the last couple of centuries, namely the British Empire and the US, are English-speaking. So English is dominant language on the planet right now. Usyk tries his best to speak it and is still 4/10. Canelo is still far more comfortable speaking spanish, but his english has improved and it’s a 6/10. But at least they try and I better the people who giggle at them can't speak a word of Ukrainian or Spanish. Cruz is with Bozy Ennis now as one weakness Cruz has (and most Cuban fighters) is their lack of inside game. But even though I think his inside game is his worst aspect of his style. I don’t think it’s a pure detriment or a problem since Cruz has great counters and uses inside and outside escapes on the inside really well. His isn’t an easy opponent to track down. Bozy - Don't try and turn him into a Boots 2 and make him stand his base more which is good in some instances but won't work the same as it does with Boots. Cruz is great at hitting and moving, using amazing footwork and slickness to dominate that's what got him to the top but I hope Bozy doesn't try to "Americanize" Cruz too much and make him into something that he isn't.

How was that an upset Bridges still got breast milk and famous for going with Eddie then having a child with washed kel BrookWhat ? That's news to me. Eddie b.a.n.g.e.d Ebanie bridges ? Obviously Kell flattened some grass with her, but I never knew Eddie got there b4 Kell and isn't Eddie married ? And isn't Kell bi-sexual ? I don't know what's going on lol

I dunno about Lennox but prime Tyson would have been a stylistic nightmare for Usyk Prime Tyson had Elite Foot speed Elite Hand speed Elite Stamina Elite Chin Elite Knockout power in both hands Those 5 things are an impossible list of qualities for Usyk to overcome. To beat prime Mike Tyson, you had to beat the **** outta of him, round after round. You have to be brave and stand and trade with him centre ring and not take a step back and test his heart and desire. Usyk doesn't fight like that. But if Usyk did stand toe to toe with Prime Tyson ? He's dead. He would not have the power to hurt Tyson, nor would he have the power that Tyson would respect. If Usyk got on his bike ? Even worse, Tyson's foot speed would catch him and kill him And prime Tyson was (And a lotta people don't realise this, and he doesn't get enough credit for it) a gym rat. Young Mike was a spartan, one of the most professional, hardest working heavyweight champs​ ​ https://x.com/i/status/1847593190729167081 We are talking prime Tyson, he could run a 5-minute mile, row 2000m in under 7 mins, he trained like a Triathlete. You know what that means ? That means if Usyk was to get past 4 rounds tyson wouldn't gas like these modern day silverbacks do.​

The fact you’re claiming that the low blow by Dubois was legal already lets everyone know that you’re a disingenuous liar who pretends to not know the rules of boxing and isn’t worth anybody’s time. Your post is pure fanboytism and nonsense. Liston wasn’t close to prime he was already an old alcoholic. Ali LOST to Frazier and Norton, he is not as skilled as Usyk, as good defensively or as strong physically. More stamina? Punch stats say otherwise. And tonight was not Usyk’s first schooling of a real HW, his wins over Fury was better. I’m just not on the hype train for Usyk but his style is something new to heavyweights. Also his endurance is off the charts. Far beyond any other heavy weight. He’s redefined what being in shape means. His endurance is good in this era, but who's he up against? AJ is notorious for having bad stamina, Fury is a 270lb blubbersauraus who pretty much kept pace with Usyk, although he got a bit tired at the end. DDD is a guy spits the dummy out, if can't hit you. Usyk's greatest attribute might be his discipline and fitness which yes, does put him above the other heavyweights of this era because their discipline and fitness suck. I checked Usyk vs Joshua 1 because I believe that was the fight where Usyk showed the most activity and fitness, he threw 529 punches in that fight I just picked a random Lennox Lewis fight that went 12 rounds, Holyfield 1. Lewis threw 613 punches in that fight. Holyfield vs Foreman 584 punches Klitschko threw 509 punches vs David Haye Usyk;s work rate historically isn't anything special, it just seems that way against slow, low output plodders who average 25 punches a round who we have now.​

Like Djokovic in tennis, Usyk is the greatest boxing champion of all time. . What great fighters has Usyk he beat ? I mean, the reason why great fighters get called that is because they have beaten other greats. So the floor is yours

Wow that's a level of stùpidity that I didn't think was possible even on this board. No I, very factually, didn't say that. You couldn't even infer that from my post. If you are capable, feel free to go and read it again or have an adult with a reasonable IQ explain it to you. I was just pointing out that your incredibly simplistic view of Usyk as a fighter was completely wrong. Do you watch boxing? In his last few fights he has taken centre ring, he has bullied his opponent, not by 'trading punches' but through movement, feints, jabs, and leads and he has done that regardless of how dangerous the opponent was. He beats Tyson, in my opinion, because he's a much better boxer than Tyson was. It's boxing, not the 'baddest man' contest.All you have wrote is Usyk beats Tyson. How ? Tonight was Usyk's FIRST real beat-down and schooling of an elite HW His two fights with AJ and Fury were very competitive (He won them all, but he hardly ran them outta the ring). At the time, when Usyk fought Derek Chisora, at the end of the fight I thought Usyk just done enough but would not be surprised if that was a draw. I remember it like yesterday, watching it during covid, no crowds. Many thought that in the Usyk Vs Dubois 1 fight. That was a legal shot by DDD and he should have got the belt. So my point Usyk is has not separated himself as WAY BETTER than his peers, the way Tyson did in his prime.​

You've just watched Usyk take centre ring against bigger men over the last few years. Usyk would have been bigger and taller than Mike Tyson. Tonight Usyk weighed 16.3 stone which, at a guess, is around 230lbs. Tyson in his prime, weighed between 210 and 218 pounds. Usyk is 6ft 2 and Tyson was and is 5ft 11 ​He did it again tonight against a guy intent on applying pressure. A braver man you won't find.So with this comment are you saying that Triple D is as good as prime Mike Tyson ? And coz Uysk beat DDD he'd also probably have beat Tyson. You haven't really thought this through, have you ? ​ No, he wouldn't stand and trade with Tyson. He's too good for that. You don't need to take centre ring by trading punches if you're as good as Usyk.​Would not matter, if Usyk ran Tyson would catch him and kill him. You aint beaten prime Tyson on the back foot. I wouldn't put Tyson in the Usyk conversation personally. I agree. Usyk would not get past halfway.

ippo Golden Bull Bipolar Hero Jacobson Look. Any comparison between Usyk and Ali is simply not warranted. Calm down. Muhammed Ali best wins are prime George Foreman and Joe Frazier, that is top 10 heavyweights of all time. He also beat a very close to prime Sonny Liston, a top 10 heavyweight. There was a 14-year period between Ali winning the Lineal heavyweight title and the last time he held it Usyk hasn't even had a 14 year career. He's only had 24 fights. For Usyk to try to compete, he’d have to beat Parker, Zhang, Bakole, Kabayel, Ituama, etc. Hell, Opetaia too, probably Bivol and Beterbiev also. Ali fought literally everyone.. Honestly, tonight was the FIRST time I've seen Usyk's give a real beat-down and total schooling of not only an elite HW, but any elite fighter. Even as a cruiser, he wasn't really running the elites out of the ring. His two fights with AJ and Fury were very competitive (especially the second fights). His fight against Derek Chisora was also very competitive, and many thought that in Usyk Vs Dubois 1. That was a legal shot by DDD and he should have got the belt.​ Whereas prime Ali should have brought a mop into the ring, such was the ease in which he cleaned up the elite HW's of his day. Usyk isn't incredibly skilled in any area. He's good in all areas. He's the "finds a way to win" guy. Which is awesome. But just imagine for a second that you didn't know who Usyk was, and you watched him fight. I think, if you were being honest, you'd be underwhelmed with his power, his speed....you'd see he has good defence and feet but isn't a shockingly talented fighter. He just frustrates guys with his toughness. So it would take a much more special fighter than Usyk to eclipse Ali at heavyweight. Usyk is good, but Ali does everything better than him and is simply far more talented. Once Ali showed he's Usyk's equal in technical ability but has better stamina, faster hands, better foot speed and more power, then he'd start to show he also has more dog in him than Usyk. He'd impose his will on Usyk and would probably stop him. And I'm talking about young Ali (Cassisus Clay) not the Ali who fought Foreman or even Frazier, the Ali before the Vietnam sanction https://x.com/Craig2917669951/status/1946717435073020025 As a young man, Ali could fight like that, at pretty much that pace for 15 rounds. Now, if you wrote that Usyk would beat the 2nd coming of Ali ? Post Vietnam ? The slower, less dancing Ali ? That's a fair argument, I still don't think Usyk would, but I'm not as certain. I'm only 70% certain that the older Ali would beat Usyk, Whereas I'm 99% certain the young Ali beats Usyk. A young Ali was pretty much untouchable before the forced exile from boxing. Mate - I'll take it to the next level. Usyk would not even land a punch on the young Ali (Cassius Clay). Maybe if Usyk went 15 years unbeaten at World title level, we could have a discussion about it. In fact never mind Ali, I would not be confident that Usyk would have beaten either prime Klitchko's, especially Vitali. But it's ironic that both Uysk and Ali share a birthday and are both are six foot three inches in height, have a seventy-eight reach and their optimum fighting weight is between 215 and 220 pounds,​ ​

competitive because boxing has evolved. Boxing has not evolved at all Boxing training is - Jogging Jumping Rope Lifting Weights Bag Work Sparring Sometimes Cycling and Rowing Machines Swimming That's boxing training, and all those have been around for over 100 years.​ So Canelo, Inoue, Usyk or Crawford are all doing the same stuff Ray Robinson and Marciano did. If we look at the act of punching each other in the face and make a similar graph as we might for baseball or soccer, the entire time that those sports have existed would look like a speck next to the entire time we have been punching each other in the face. So fighting in unarmed combat is a primitive sport that doesn't rely on the stuff you think it does, and won't evolve in the same was as other sports. Sure - Modern fighters have the advantages of modern medicine and nutritional knowledge, but that's it. Fighters in the past were part of a deeper talent pool, worked harder, were more active as fighters, was much harder to get a title shot coz of one champ per division and were required to have higher conditioning. These days, despite the advances of medicine and science, fighters at the elite level get away with fighting very few times a year, and probably 1/10 of them actually maintains fighting shape year round. The talent pool disparity is a huge factor. There are fewer fighters, fewer trainers, less truly knowledgeable trainers, and less competition. It doesn't take a scientist to determine from that alone, that a smaller talent pool means it takes less to make it to the top, and it takes less to succeed at all levels​

Crawford won but I dunno, he won it in a Katie Taylor way, little flurries of nothing, then got on his bike the rest of the round. I thought the fight wouldn't live up to the hype, and I was kinda right. Big Red isn't an elite front foot pressure. And that's what was needed. Allowed Crawford to get out of the corner too easy, which made him have to reset all night long He was never gonna beat Crawford in a Marquis Of QueensBerry - Olympic style fight. Crawford is a bit like Floyd and Usyk in that it's very hard to beat them clean. Canelo should be have been more rough and dirty, get points deducted, heads butts, throw him to ground, stood in centre of the ring with hands up and shamed him for running. All sorts, but yeah, going to bed now

I'm black, but I'm not black American or FBA, and it's hard to argue that black Americans or FBA's are not the best boxers. History shows black American or FBA's are the best boxers. It is, what it is. Agreed black American or FBA's are not as dominant as they were once were (and at amateur Olympic level black Americans or FBA's are struggling) but overall they have been the best professional boxers for sure

I've always felt with Floyd that he's most definitely insecure with all the money flexing he's done {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\t*****.gif?cid=6c09b952hatu3bn9f233eur2320vw2a9kvdfajpsw3n5ppvl&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=*****.gif&ct=g.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t2.08 MB ID:\t32481139","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32481139","data-size":"full","title":"*****.gif?cid=6c09b952hatu3bn9f233eur2320vw2a9kvdfajpsw3n5ppvl&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=*****.gif&ct=g.gif"} Yeah ppl will say "He made 1.2 billion in his career. How could he lose that ?" Chris Rock said "There are no wealthy black people in America, lotta rich ones, but not one wealthy one. You can't get rid of wealth" Mayweather has an awful g.a.m.b.l.i.n.g problem. I'm talking 250G on a Knicks game, 250G on a raiders game. Private jet, multiple $1mil+ cars, huge entourage of women and men he takes everywhere with him​, adds up man. He spends way more money than he brings in because he loves to gamble and he’s a trick. Y’all think he be doing instagram ads for clinics, plastic surgeons, water guns, and basically anything else because he’s bored? ​ And a few months bk, his staff at business were protesting that they have not been paid in months. So we are at the point where his LA gym is closed and they never payed their employees, and his Elk Grove gym is closed due to lack of payment for rent from the landlord. But I don't think he's broke at all he loves money too much. There's no way you could tell me he didn't put a couple hundred million away for retirement. He may squander a lot of $$$ away, but in this day and age with all the horror stories of athletes who pissed away millions, he had to have paid attention and hired the best financial planning companies to watch his wealth. But if I'm wrong and he is going broke he won't get much sympathy from the public considering his flosssy ways over the years.​

The police are liars period. What the racists, trolls and other IRRELEVANT weirdos in the comments section say in their thinly veiled race baiting statements is typical for that bunch. It has long been an established FACT, as per a years long investigation by the DOJ, during the latter part of the ***** Administration, that there is a systemic issue of racial bias with law enforcement and their attitudes towards white possible offenders and their African American counterparts. It was found that Police will help to foster a hostile encounter with African American citizens especially young black men driving, in order to provoke them into a confrontation. They are far less likely on average to treat whites for the same alleged infraction in a hostile and provocative manner. It has also been established by not just the DOJ But the FBI and other law enforcement agencies that white nationalists who have strong anti African American sentiment, have infiltrated the ranks of most police departments in the major cities within the United States..Facts. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b37ac0eb5907d31dee3ba3ffbf162f25 https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f91a96caf46b49e7b1f87f8f57cb5e74 https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4189bbbbd1a29ed810cb7f5d081adaee https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1d18547448c0cb60eb3a1d93662d7525 {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.usmessageboard.com\/attachments\/1656441619217-webp.663394\/"}

Hahahahaaha you black, right? Haney is a coward just like Floyd, who ran and hugged veryone to win, unable to KO a girl Scout and receiving gift decisions and overhyped by the judges, referees and media because of his race and wokeness. If Haney did what Garcia did and failed a drug test after he beat Garcia, they would have punished him more heavy. Garcia is white enough, so they went easy on him.

Black excellence always triggers these white supremacists, especially black boxers who win against a white boxer, like Bud did against Canelo The police are there to enforce racial order....."O no no no Mr Bud Crawford, don't think you can dominant out here" that pathetic white cop who makes 28 grand a year, has to show HE'S the authority on the streets, Sports success is allowed for blk ppl in controlled environments as well entertainment, but they will retaliate if it becomes challenging to the overall racial order, them celebrating out in Nebraska, that sends a message "Blk ppl can be looked up2" So the police came in like "Okay Negroes, This is your guy right here huh ? All cheering for this Crawford guy ? Well watch what we do to your big tough black boxer. We stuck a gun in his face, threatened his life, put him in cuffs......FOR NOTHING !! Know your place Negroes"​ Boxing is EQUAL RULES. Black boxers excel. Outside the ring ? Then that white cop used HIS SYSTEM to try to slap Crawford down. See black boxers can temporarily be celebrated for entertainment and sports, but no matter how rich or admired they are, the cop felt he had re-assert his dominance.

Honestly ? If this was the other way round and an elite black fighter destroyed an elite white fighter and then was found out to alleged taken PEDS ? We all know he would not be in the ring a year later Had Devin done what Ryan did ? They'd have thrown the book at the Devin. There is no question that Ryan is white enough for him to get the white pass, which meant that the authorities would go easy on him.

Bro, Ryan talked bad about M-uslims too and Saudi Arabia is a M-uslim country. Turki isn't interested in Ryan/Haney 2 because he hates black peopleI never said Turkhi hates black people. Dont put words in my mouth. Do I think he's racist ? Yes. Do I think Eddie Hearn, Arum, Warren are racist ? Yes. Do I think they hate blk ppl ? No he's enamored with Crawford for crying out loud.So what ? A white person can marry someone non-white and be racist. What's your point ? White and non blk people have never minded being entertained by black ppl. That was just as true 100 years bk when Jack Johnson fought as it is today. That's a silly mindset to have!What makes sense to the Wolf is not going to make sense to the sheep. What makes sense to the fox is not going to make sense to the hound. What make sense to me as a blk man, is not going to make sense to you as a non blk man If you're black and have no friends, it isn't because you're black, it's more than likely because you're unlikeable. Black people have no friends. It's the world againist blk ppl. And that's all I'm gonna say. Coz I've realized it's pointless talking to someone non blk about racism. Because even if they ain't white, they are just as anti-black as most white people. But go on, I'll give you the last word

I can't believe that Garcia is getting this gilded opportunity again so soon after drug cheating and his vile and abhorrent racist commentary. I find it hard to understand how the Saudis want to give him another chance after his comments about ******s. I'm a black guy, didn't wanna go racial but in response to your comments, I mean look. Black people have no friends. The same dog that bites blk people in the USA, Asia, Europe and Latin America is the same dog that bites blk ppl in those Arab gulf state countries. In fact, it's precisely because Garcia said that s.h*t about blk people is the reason why the Saudi's wanna give him another chance because they agree with him,

Floyd's best performance, by far was against Gatti. This was not only his best performance but maybe one of the best performance from any fighter I've ever seen. Just total perfection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCi4qhRbbw&t

Very tough fight this for boots. Very tough. I rate Stannios highly

It's the truth. You don't get much credit for beating a shopworn Gatti, Oscar, Cotto or Shane. You just don't. He made a lot of money fighting those guys but that doesn't translate well in the respect department. A shop worn Shane ? Shane who was coming off a career best win against Margarito and Margaritio he was considered a Monster when Shane destroyed him and Floyd fought Shane straight after and beat him easily And Cotto was coming off back to back wins against Margarito and Mayorga when he lost to Floyd. ODLH ? OK. I agree with you. It wasn't prime ODLH but nobody thought that at the time and it was close fight but I still thought Floyd won and Floyd would have beaten Gatti at any age

Before the fight, I thought maybe Cardenas was about to cause an upset and put that King Kong down on Godzilla the bum killer, but as usual the manlet nippon god claimed another body. Shame on Ryan, Shame on Haney, Shame on Lopez, Shame on Canelo. ​ Thanks for saving us Naoya, you were our last hope for the weekend.​ {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"giphy.gif","data-attachmentid":32466497} ​ Four belts on the line, and he’s out here fighting like a madman — all aggression, risk, and skill. Pure insanity. What a show. A true entertainer. Hat's off to Cardenas too man he's a DAWG. Warrior vs Warrior.. no running no dancing no hugging just fighting till the end..real boxing ​ I loved how Inoue handled being knocked down - he didn't rush to his feet and try to pretend it didn't hurt, he just went straight to business, took his time, gathered himself, stood up and went back to work. That's champion stuff. Too many fakes who jump straight up and pretend like it was nothing then get KO'd ​ And even though Inoue is responsible for more liver damage than alcoholism.​ He is also the cleanest fighter out there. No elbows, low blows, headbutts, just clean shots and straight heart ​

Gatti was a C-rate fighter (in Floyd's own words) and battle fatigued. This was a one-sided mismatch, a typical cherry pick of a popular fighter on his way down. Gatti was 32 years old coming into the Mayweather fight and was on a 5 fight winning streak (2 of them against Mickey Ward, the other 3 fights were against Gianluca Branco 32-0, Leonard Dorin 22-0 and former world champ Jesse James Leja) so he was hardly on his way down. And it's easy to be wise after the fight, but before the fight, no one thought this would be as one-sided as it was. No one though it was "cherry pick"

"Down goes Frazier !! Down goes Frazier !! Down goes Frazier" Still one of my favourite boxing lines RIP George {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/media.tenor.com\/_PZWuoauEOEAAAAM\/pour-drink.gif"} They said “He went peacefully, surrounded by his loved ones” Sounds like his family knew something but maybe chose to keep it private. 76 isn’t as very old, but big dudes don't tend to last long. 76 is a good run for a dude his size. Coz of his granite chin, his body went through a lot over the years, he's now with the Saviour he served for decades. Had great career in the ring and one of the few boxers who made just as much money out of it with his "Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine" That was his pride and joy. One of the most popular household items ever. He will be missed​