Obliterator

He doesn't want a true elite A level fighter though, he will lose if he fights one. That will end his aura of invincibility. He's both lucky and unlucky. On the one hand, the 1 elite he had an opportunity to fight...he ducked. Win or lose he would've gotten credit for fighting Ward. Lucky in the sense that the MW division is the weakest division out there right now or pretty damn close if not. Which is easier though? To say that your goal is to stay at weak MW and be able to stay champ and fight WWs and lower class fighters, or move up with guys who are at least somewhat better, though Degale and Jack imo have not shown me to be elite, but much better than GayLoveKins best wins to date. Also lucky in the sense that his sheep will keep defending him with each new bum they bring in. Canelo fought bums for a long time too, but he was obviously much younger, but since that time his opposition has gone up. We all knew the khan fight was a joke. khan is simply a money hungry, arrogant pos and wanted a payday. Lara was a fight that his own team admitted they did not want Alvarez to take, but credit where it's due, it was a close fight, he happened to get the nod and so no matter how others saw it, the record books are going to say that Canelo won. If GayLoveKin can make 160 so easy, if he's such a small MW, fine! Go down to 154, fight Andrade, fight Lara, Charlos, etc...start calling Canelo out after every fight. Get rid of Loeffler because he's ruining his career and making him look very stupid, tell Sanchez to train him and stfu, and people will take you more seriously. Jacobs duck you? Fine, then say it live! Address the Saunders money situation, show the offer! Don't just expect people to believe it after you've been caught flip flopping so many times. I agree with some of your points and I think as long as K2 isn't offering good money and actually telling the truth that fighters are ducking because they're pricing themselves out, people are going to criticise them just like it's happening now. It would be nice if they actually posted evidence.

First of all Bradley beat Pacquiao, Garcia beat Herrera they got the win so it's golden. After the part where you said Lara NEVER fought at MW I stopped reading there. Lara AND Canelo Both fought their HIGHEST weight at 155. You have no problem with pussie g fighting Canelo, but some how Lara has to prove himself at MW??? And pussie g is now fighting Brook at 160 who HAS NEVER FOUGHT AT 160. I'm out Technically you're right, but what MW fights at 155? Canelo that's who and at a contract like it's a new division. But yes, technically you are correct. You stopped reading because all of a sudden 155 is the new weight to fight at? C'mon man I thought you were better than that. I'll give you a star for that. I'm going to say it one more time ok... I don't care for both fights. There. I have a problem with people bringing up Ward and Lara everytime there's something about GGG. Let it go already. It's really annoying. Go ahead and stay out dude, you're just and angry biased fan. You already know what went on with the negotiations on Eubanks side. Plus, I never approved the Brook fight. I think you confuse me with others. I strongly believe you like to ignore any fact that doesn't support you claim and only insist on what you believe is correct in your mind. Stop being biased, you're no better than a fan boy. Actually you're a bit worse in swearing up and down, it makes you sound immature. Clear your head, then come back and have a mature debate. One more thing, when you're calm do yourself a favor and go back through your posts and ask yourself if they're not one sided. All respect here.

Just remembered something. Canelo brought up Josesito Lopez from basically two weight classes up to fight him at 154. So Khan wasn't the first fighter he brought up. He held his own for a bit too haha. Wish Josesito had better trainers, maybe he'd be better. Even broke Ortiz' jaw!

Get your dyck sucking ass outta here. Lara been calling pussie g out. And all of a sudden he is boring and wants $3 million then $5 million. Lara wants to fight pussie g. You see how interested they are in that fight. So does DeGale and Ward. They all three beat that pussie. pussie g is a fuucking f@ggot. Claims to be ducked but turns straight bytch when- Ward, and Lara come knocking. You f@ggots want to see pussie g fight ANYBODY accept Ward or Lara I wonder why?? You f@ggots talk but scared to see pussie g in there with an A plus slick fighter. Ward and Lara tap that ass homie. Have you coming up with reasons WHY the fight shouldn't happen instead of saying you want to see the fight. We call that being a pussie, and getting your hoe card pulled. Both Lara and Ward lifted pussie g's skirt We all know Lara is all talk. Let him show up at one if his fights just like he did with Canelo not some childish twitter post. I'd like to see those fights just to shut some biased fans up. And hey, if GGG loses then all credit to them. Until then, those guys shouldn't even be mentioned. I don't even know why GGG's camp came out and said that comment about Ward at 168. Are they reading these posts? I didn't like it. They should focus on their own path, Ward is long gone. To be honest I don't see Degale or Lara beating GGG. Ward could though. We'll have to wait and see.

I really don't think he will, I think he hits a lot harder, and is a lot smarter than given credit for...that asswhippin' Floyd gave him helped him a lot imo. I don't know about that. Canelo has never fought a MW. I think the only thing he has is his counters. Footwork is mediocre and the only thing he's improved since Mayweather is his upper body movement. Well, his IQ increased but I see a more careful Canelo and the rest about the same. Honestly it'd be an interesting fight but GGG would probably hurt him. Given his speed and never been up against a MW I'd say the fight would end with a TKO.

Damn....I got a question as a black man I won't speak on Mexican affairs....but what you said about not liking "chicanos" I have seen to be true. Why is that? It seems that the closer the Mexicans live to the border the more they don't like "Chicano's" Because they feel superior over non English speaking Mexicans but it goes both ways. Mexicans have their pride and they feel superior to them because most don't speak spanish. It's just a pride issue. It's like a black person calling another uncle tom. They feel like chicanos are being fake by not speaking spanish and chicanos feel Mexicans are inferior because they don't try and speak English in murrica. It's stupid.

I know I'm right period. Thanks for agreeing. I have to admit you are not like the other pussie g nuthuggers. I'm far from a fan boy. I call it how it is. If Ward ducked Kovalev I would be on his helmet right now. Canelo is acting like a punk right now. I've been said that. But pussie g is the worse and is trying to treat Lara how he is being treated so I have ZERO problem with Canelo giving pussie g and his fans a taste of their own medicine. We all are not always right but I get ya. Thanks. Yeah that's what I'm talking about, no excuses. I see your point.

Is it a more significant fight? sure. But it's not a bigger event. Ward vs. Kovalev, you're looking at 10,000 people in attendance max. Golovkin vs. Brook is going to be around 20,000. Not to mention the gate and the ratings will be much higher for Golovkin vs. Brook. You're correct, but I don't really care about the money side. It just sucks that we have to know every detail in why and how a fight gets dropped or made. So politics is a must now, especially on forums.

The guy is a b itch when it comes to actually making fights. He really just talks too much. I'm also not a Canelo fan, but in truth, he doesn't need him. If Canelo were to stay at 154, fight the charlo Bros, Andrade, he would just add more of a puddle of p1ss on triple dickwipes resume. Just the 3 above fights would be fights that he would NOT be heavily favored (if favored at all) in. Meanwhile what's the current odds on brook vs vaGGGina? Yep. He should just stay at 154. Doubt he'll take those fights though. As of now, it seems he's being milked.

I don't care much for the fight tbh, I don't like each guy much. Canelo has the better resume no matter how you look at it. Same here. I appreciate the way they box because it's exciting so I can't say I don't like them. Canelo does have a better resume, but I'm sure being Mexican plays a big factor in getting better names and money. They take may and September for a reason. There are tons of causal Latino fans. Not denying the risk Canelo took in fighting Lara, but you also can't deny that it's easier to make money and thus pay your opponents what they want in order to make those fights. If GGG had that then he would have a similar resume. Too many factors in making a fighter an ATG but I agree that GGG needs an A boxer in front of him to gauge where he's at and what he will bring later on.

So now Lara is all talk????? GET THE FUUCK OUTTA HERE! That's the bull shyt I'm saying. When ever a person calls pussie g out they are all "talk" and not being serious. Let pussie g say he wants to fight a fighter and it doesn't get made that fighter is automatically ducking. Pussie g doesn't have to go to the press conference, he doesn't have to snatch their mic or confront them. He just has to say he wants the fight and it's all good. Pussie g is a fraud. It always was. When did they try and negotiate? Talk is cheap buddy. For all the running he does when fighting, he's a slug trying to make that fight. Exactly how he got the Canelo fight, is the same way he should go about it. Who's every person? Let me guess...hmm..does his last name start with a W and end with a D? Give it a rest already. Ward,Lara blah blah blah. Ward is doing bigger and better things so keep him out of it. Lara should shut up and focus on his own damn weight class. He'll get beat anyway. Why do you even bother with him and GGG? All he's going to do is run and disappoint again. It just seems like you're trying to find someone to beat GGG because you hate him so much. Pussie g? Really? Resorting to elementary name calling doesn't reinforce your hate just makes you sound immature. To end this, Lara doesn't bring money because he's boring. I love watching Rigo fight but he's the same. They don't take risks when fighting. Causal fans are what make numbers and they simply don't cut it. Ward doesn't either. It's all about money and you should know it already.

Obliterator, I've heard that there's also tension between the indigenous Mexican minority and those of "mixed" blood, that is, people who have Spanish ancestry? Yeah it's similar. That's about class. One feels more proper and educated than the other. Most indigenous are of dark skin while those of Spanish ancestry are more prone to having "superior" traits such as light skin blonde hair etc. It's also stupid. Just another form of racism for ya.

First of all Canelo had a fuucking draw on one of the score cards with Floyd and that fight wasn't even close. Didn't Bradley get a bull shyt decision win over Pacquiao?? Bad scores happen in boxing. The Lara vs pussie g fight would be at 160 Lara has ZERO problem with fighting him at the full limit http://www.boxingscene.com/lara-canelo-showed-his-fear-ill-fight-golovkin-full-160--104790 This is to the third bold part- YOU ARE A FAN AND SAID YOU DON'T CARE IF pussie g GETS 20% OR NOT YOU JUST WANT TO WATCH AN INTERESTING FIGHT. There we go. BINGO!!!!!! That's exactly what we feel about pussie g vs Lara. ONLY people who don't want to see pussie g vs Lara are pussie g fanboys. Clearly you guys don't give a flying fuuck when it comes to Canelo being the A side, what type of split it will be, where the fight will be at, who is going to walk out first- YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THE FUUCKING FIGHT AM I LYING????????????. So stop with all this extra bull shyt when it comes to Lara fighting pussie g. If pussie g is as good as you think he is, he should have NO problem beating the shyt out of Lara and making easy work of him. Clearly you know Lara is not easy work and will give pussie g that business so you resort to- Boring, HBO, 160 when none of these are factors. You should be interested in pussie g stepping up in class and not about who will make what. That's some groupie shyt. Apart of me is glad Canelo is doing pussie g like this just to give pussie g and his fans a taste of their own medicine. If pussie g wasn't such a bytch- I would be clowning the shyt out of Canelo but pussie g is a 1000 times worse. Doesn't matter what the score was he won. Floyd schooled Canelo, while Lara wasn't effective enough. Big difference. I say it's all talk. He hasn't made a move to make it seem like he wants it. He hasn't fought a MW either. You took the words out of context. I said I'm a fan and I don't care for the percentage nor the fight. Then I said it'd be an interesting fight though. I think it's be interesting but I don't really care to watch them fight since they have their own weight classes to worry about. Again, the only reason I'd want to see Lara fight GGG is to shut the naysayers. Other than that I don't really care for the fight. It's interesting but there's bigger fish to fry. But just to please you and the rest why not? Lara is good. Like I said before, I don't really care about the money politics. I just don't think Canelo side would of negotiated. But if it did happen it'd be interesting as well. I rather see GGG fight someone at 160 that's actually fought at 160 before. You honestly think Lara would beat him? That's just your opinion vs mine so it doesn't matter. Oh I know Lara isn't easy work, but honestly he wouldn't win that fight.thats just my opinion from watching both fighters. I said he's boring because it's the truth. Did you even watch his last fight? And he's never fought at 160. It's not an excuse it's a fact. All I'm saying is he's going to get hurt just like Brook. I do want him to step up but for Lara? In that case id rather see him against the man that beat him. I don't care about the money side but it seems like that's what boxers want wouldn't you say? It comes with the territory. Canelo looks like a fool ever since he dropped that belt. Should've negotiated instead of letting go to a purse bid. How can you hate GGG this much? What did he do to you? You should appreciate boxers a little more. They bust their asz for this and some are clueless on the politics side (eubank). Watch some of GGGs older fights. Very respectful individual.

It would be fair to say Lara only has 1 real loss, the loss to Williams was possibly the worst robbery I've seen. Also, the point of the fight would be to have a common opponent such as Floyd and Manny had several. GayLoveKins stock is going down by the day and no matter how good or bad he looks vs brook, it goes down even further. If he loses? He can kiss his career goodbye though...good riddance if we get that lucky. It was a robbery but a win is a win remember. That would be nice though. I disagree on his stock going down. If anything it's going up now that he's fighting in the UK and the fact that Canelo didn't fight him. If he keeps knocking people out, it doesn't matter what us the hardcore fans think about him and his opposition, it's about the casual fans making him the money. I like watching him box. Don't tell me he doesn't spark at least a bit of excitement when he lands those heavy hands.

Are you kidding me. He had time to adjust to MW, instead he fought khan. And he got more time to adjust to MW, instead he is figing smith. And facing a chance to fight a MW next, whose he aiming for, one of two guys GGG already beat. Canelo has been fighting in MW since 2013, sure he's not been fighting MW. But whose fault is that. This is about hoping GGG at 35 1/2 is not GGG at 34. If GGG is still destroying people, Canelo will opt to wait another year. It's that simple. Exactly what I was about to post. I wouldn't of cared if Canelo fought a bad MW but he chose Khan and then Smith. Tells you how much he wants to fight GGG. He should of dropped the belt after he beat Cotto and said "Hey I'm not ready, I just wanted Cotto". No one would've criticized him then.

If pussie g is supposed to be a killer and knock Lara out then why does it matter if Lara is boring when he will get beat the fuuck up by pussie g? Lara wins that's why. And that fight could be made if pussie g wanted it to. Money is an excuse. How much money is Lara asking for? Just like I said. Instead of pussie g fans excited about SEEING the fight you lames become: accountants, lawyers, all that crazy shyt. But when it comes to pussie g fighting Canelo when Canelo is the A side you bytches do not care about: Lawyers, who gets paid what, how much should pussie g get, how much more of a draw Canelo is then pussie g, you dudes JUST WANNA SEE THE FIGHT AM I LYING??????????? So why in the fuuck when it comes to Lara you care about all that extra shyt that could be worked out. pussie g fought Wade A HAYMON FIGHTER ON HBO. And Khan ANOTHER HAYMON fighter fought Canelo on HBO. Stop it. You ******* know Lara brings pussie g that work and don't want that for him. GGG is a good boxer and it's not about Lara being so easy. I think Lara is a great boxer but why make a fight with Lara when there are more interesting fights to be made. Lara fights at 154, has no fan base and we saw what happened with him and Canelo. Lara would lose that fight. If concrete feet Canelo beat him what makes you think he'd beat GGG. Plus, the bout wasn't at 160 was it? Lara's own management already she'd light on the subject so why insist on it? I didn't really care if GGG got a 20% purse with Canelo or that fight altogether, I just thought it'd be interesting to watch it. You have to understand GGG'S management as well. He had all the belts and to put them on the line at 155 is ridiculous. Aside from that I think they shouldn't have said no at 155 from the get go. They should've called their bluff from the beginning but I still doubt DLH would have negotiated. Wade was a mando because Johnson was hurt. C'mon dude. Khan v Canelo was a huge money fight so it's not the same. I don't doubt he brings the work, I just don't think it's enough to beat GGG. Be realistic about it.

"Andre Ward moved up in weight for bigger and better things" Yea because he had no ****ing choice lol. He wasn't in demand like Golovkin is he didn't draw the kind of numbers both TV and arena attendance numbers. HBO made it very clear that they weren't going to pay for anymore Edwin Rodriguez fights. Now thathat Canelo has stepped foot in middleweight Golovkin will happily stay and wait for that fight. Not sure who you're quoting but I said that as well due to the fact that people keep bringing up his name when he's two weight classes above. I know all about that stuff and I laugh about it because of the haters that usually ride on Ward's ntz. Aside from that, Kovalev vs Ward is better than any fight right now so you have to give both of them credit.

canelo has fought mayweather, lara, trout, cotto. who has GGG fought that everyone sucks his nuts so hard for? wasnt canelo ducking lara and trout? then beats them both ROFL. GGG fans are the next pac-tards. when canelo beats him they will say GGG didnt get to wear his punchers gloves, stats prove different because they favored canelo, canelo waited for GGG to get old, de la hoya paid the judges off. someone please quote this and this will happen. stupid GGG fans will have no one to jump to once kovalev also loses. oh wait, yes they will they will all jump on spence and claim they have been watching him since his amateur days. He's pretty much crushed the top 10 at his weight excluding the ones that don't want it of course. He's just an exciting fighter that's all. Who doesn't like knockouts? Yes he beat them fair and square regardless what people say. A win is a win. I believe that goes both ways. That's what makes these debates, people side with their boxer and sometimes are biased. That's been going on forever. Some people just bandwagon while others that are hardcore fans. Sorry for the captain obvious post hehe.

No one else finds it strange that GGG's team is the only MW that's calling out Canelo? If other MWs thought he was a serious threat in the MW division they would be calling him out too since he is going to bring the most money. GGG and team need to let it go already, Canelo said he would let you know when he is ready to fight. Yeah I don't like it one bit. Focus on your own weight class and when he wants to then go for it. Everybody wants that big money doe. That's the problem with boxers these days.

This was the very definition of ducking. It's very hard to deny unless you're obsessed with hating Golovkin. Alvarez fought for a belt Golovkin was mandatory to, made a deal for a voluntary defense with the understanding he would fight Golovkin next, and explicitly said he was going to fight him. To vacate his belt a week or two after that, with no honest effort to make the Golovkin fight, is a duck. There's no better example of a duck this sport can offer. Add in the bullsh*t he has spewed in the lead up to the Smith fight and it's blatantly obvious that he wants nothing to do with Gennady Golovkin. Perfectly said. It's pretty straightforward.

Consider his age? Defaq! How old was Floyd Mayweather when he moved up to face Cotto? How old was he when he moved up again to face Canelo? Both times he was older than pusssy G you bloody hypocrites! Whoa whoa relax there. I see your point but Mayweather and GGG are completely different. Talking about a guy that hardly gets hit while the other one eats left hook sammiches on most of his fights. Hypocrite in what way? I'm not defending GGG, simply stating he's getting up there in age.

Of course there would always be excuses. No one is arguing there wouldn't be. My thing is Floyd beat manny 5 years too late and had manny won I would have said the same thing. Fair enough. Most would praise Manny though. From what I read on comments. Don't get me wrong I love watching manny fight. Floyd is a master but it does get boring. I appreciate all boxers. Back to topic... what I'm trying to say is if someone likes one guy they support him no matter if he's wrong or right. Let's not be biased.

155 was a feeble bluff. Canelo folded just in case it gets called, they had no intention of fighting Ggg at any weight. His popularity has suffered for sure but he's still #1 draw in boxing , that's not one foot out the door at least. And Canelo vs Ggg is still the biggest fight in the sport Makes sense. Wouldn't mind seeing that fight but I doubt canelo can handle him. Rather see a true challenge. But hey, it's always entertaining watching knock outs.

It doesn't matter who GGG had agreed to fight. Unless it was Andre Ward, at whatever weight Andre wants, on whatever time frame Andre wants, these same posters are going to be critical of whoever Golovkin agrees to fight. There are obvious differences in the choices made by Canelo and GGG. Canelo, in supposed preparation for Golovkin, chose, he selected, Amir Khan as his opponent. Meanwhile Golovkin, chose to wait a month almost for Canelo. Golovkin chose Canelo, Canelo chose to vacate. I even think there was talk of Saunders briefly, which amounted to nothing. Next, Golovkin chose Chris Eubank Jr. Eubank talked a good game for weeks, but when it was time to actually sign the deal, Eubank chickens out. GGG had a date to keep with HBO, and agreed to fight Brook. He didnt ask Brook, he didnt choose Brook, Brook stepped up like a real man amd chose Golovkin. Then, there's the obvious difference between Brook and Khan. Brook is an undefeated champion at WW, a career WW, considered by some the best WW. Khan has had to move up divisions and was KOed at lighter weights. Khan is considered by most a joke witb a glass jaw and certainly not a top WW. But, unless GGG fights Ward on Wards terms, or maybe Deontay Wilder, these same dudes will be here trashing 'lil g' for his opponent I agree, we can't be biased here. Hearing some posters say that GGG "brought Brook up" or "it's worse because Brook is going up two weight classes" just smells like hate. He didn't bring him up, how close minded can you be when Hearn threw jr under the bus himself. C'mon people! You can't compare Canelo bringing khan up for a tune up to fight GGG after and vacating the belt, to GGG not being able to get an opponent and finally settling for someone that actually wanted to fight him. How did difficult is it to see that GGG actually wants to fight every top guy at 160? Like this guy said, it was a better move to fight Brook in the UK knowing the time frame and money involved than to fight another "bum" at 160. Give the Ward and Lara talk a rest already. They have their own career paths and plenty of game opponents to worry about. As for the 154-168 talk, it happened a long time ago so please just take it out of your arguments. If you have something concrete to say and logical by all means go ahead but those two subjects are like listening to a one hit wonder over and over again. For the record I don't like that he's fighting a WW, who wouldn't have done the same in those circumstances though? I sure as hell wouldn't of passed the chance up regardless if it made me a hypocrite. Being honest and nice only gets you so far in life and that applies to the sport of boxing. Sometimes you have to take risks and change it up a bit if you will.

Sanchez needs to think before he says things. Can't possibly feel threatened on a guy that's never fought at MW and is going two weight classes up. If anything should of said surprised Brook came out heavier.Geez.

It's not that, the sorry alt you're replying to has been explained 5x at least, he just doesn't like to learn. Hopkins explained 3 months ago: Oscars promoter Arum made him a big money offer to fight Wbo paper champ, former 130 champ, at 158. No mando, the midget just wanted the challenge. Hops didn't want a Cw, tried negotiating up to 159, then 158.5. They wouldn't budge, the money was great, opponent legit undersized so he took it. Canelo was ordered to negotiate and he didn't even make any offer, at reasonable 158 or pathetic 155, much less for generous money. He knew he'd become boxings laughing stock if he gave up the belt but he thought that's better than entering the ring vs Ggg Oh I see. Guess most boxers don't take chances going down in weight. I always thought he said yes to 155 with an A-side side split (yes a ridiculous one) but didn't know he never negotiated those terms. I thought GGG just didn't want to fight at a catchweight since it was for a 160 belt. I agree with him taking heat instead of losing but I always wondered if he's the reason or DLH. Then again he keeps making comments about GGGs resume not being all that and goes and signs a deal with liam smith instead of Andrade or at least a Charlo bro to counter that heat. That's what gets me about canelo. It's obvious what he and/or DLH are doing. GGG obviously wants money since canelo doesn't have the belt anymore and keeps talking about him. I say he handles his business with the three remaining MWs in jacobs eubank and Billy and then move onto the top SMWs. Hopefully from there we will see how great he is against top opposition(higher than all the top ten fighters he's pretty much demolished) and finally gets some respect from some fans.

Should've fought him instead of talking nonsense. Many ggg haters in here but what's so difficult in fighting Ggg the "bum seeker" at 160 if he's so untested? Canelo vacated for a reason. Not that difficult to comprehend. 2+2=5?

I'm beginning to think canelo is following the mayweather path of trying to be the most disliked guy in the sport Like when floyd kept making excuses not to fight pac but kept talking smack the whole time It's exactly what nelo is doing with ggg now and he keeps giving little digs when everyone and their dog knows he s**t out Remember when floyd wore the Mexican colors when he fought DLH? That brought a lot of hate. A good way to do that would be for him to wear the Kazakhstan colors.

Lil g waiting for him camping out at 160 to bring mikey up First choice for canelo and if none of the top MWs show up then golovkin. Or maybe Lara will tweet him hehe.

hahaha A lot of you guys need to understand that boxing is a whole lot more than a skill sport. What if...this or that on Golovkin? I mean as soon as Kell threw his first jab at Golovkin; Golovkin literally threw every game plan conceivable out the window and just pounced on him with absolutely no regard for anything. Says it post fight-- Kell isn't a middleweight. As in, none of those punches had him worried in the slightest. 12 rounds of endurance, 12 rounds of taking a shot, 12 rounds of skills, strength etc. 12 rounds not 2! It wasn't even a close fight tbh, guy was a couple of rounds away from death. Seriously! GGG looked like he was in for a fun night. Just compare this performance against the Lemieux fight. Pretty obvious GGG didn't take him serious.