2 things stick out
1. boxing is a world sport and he's doing tons of training outside of france...
2. he trains with virgil hunter and tons of ppl have been skeptical of andre ward
...i guess some other things would be why didn they doping agency just wait for his plane to arrive or catch him when he landed...
also are they random test? if not how tf is he supposed to show up?
Didn't he say that against Jack?
yep, and one punch changed the whole round in 2 different late rounds.
gvozdyk know how to survive hurt like badou jack did?
unless he stops adonis early he's going to get hit and hurt at some point during this fight.
groves put out a lot of punishment in his last fight
degale took so much punishment that he hasnt been back in ring since..
GROVES IS THE ONLY REAL CHAMPION IN THIS FIGHT TBH
Bernard Hopkins: Stevenson was negotiating with us then stopped returning my phonecalls.
Sergey Kovalev: Stevenson was supposed to fight me but switched networks.
Pascal: Stevenson cut off negotiations with me without giving any reason.
Kovalev/Pascal/Hopkins: We all fought each other instead.
Stevenson: They all ducked me. You can trust me because I went to prison for child prostitute trafficking and am basically a released pedophile.
Spot the odd man out.
when bhop is asking 75% and wont bulge i would stop answering his calls too..stevenson beat the man he could not beat and he is the lineal champ...go look at stevenson numbers on hbo they are fantastic
Apparently the one who is new here is you. Champions more often than not have a rematch clause when defending their title(s). This isn't anything new. So why wouldn't Stevenson wanna do it?
You still making up lies that Joe Smith wants to be the A side and "keep the champs money?" The quote is there and clearly says SOME part of the revenue.
Keep making up lies and defending your Cinderella doe.
Joe Smith ducking doe. :dunce:
u are fuggin stupid...Adonis's team would only do a rematch if adonis losses...if joe loses the champ moves on...michel is saying that joe wants a rematch from adonis even if joe loses...
do u get it now?? or do u feel that joe should have 2 chances at the belt and "some of the revenue and gate"
..i guess charlo should have to rematch julian williams now right? who else...um i guess is jacos get ko'd he should have a rematch right...u're picking a fight that u cant even train for
No Joe Smith, no Alvarez and no Badou Jack. He had 3 options and one even being from Canada just like him. Instead he goes for the much lesser fighter. Typical Adonis Stevenson.
My Low Place will come in here talking about how all those 3 guys turned down a shot the "lineal champion" and ducked him. :rofl:
joe smith got exposed by michel for acting like the A side even after stevenson was fine with going to his home turf to give him a shot at lineage..i dont have to come her and making false claims..the info is out there..i never defened him with lies only facts.....alvarez just fougjt a month ago and will be next as the mando...alvarez says he wants the date, but april 29th but that doesnt seam realisitic and adonis was already in talks to fight bc he wants to fight 3 times this year...alvarez or jack is next...or both this year..his year is going to be great.. joe smith is a ducker and messed up..not my fault
40 years old.
Does he get paid a lot for these fights or what?
i dont think so..when bhop booked it back to hbo with golden boy it really hindered his career...showtime likely renegotiated his contract after that bc he was meant to fight fonfara, bhop, and a bhop rematch in a 3 fight deal....there was hope for the kov purse bid, but kathy duva took that off the table and told hbo that she would not be working alongside of showtime...so showtime could have either done away with his contract or just has rights to him if they restructured in a reasonable fashion...
Worst champ of this era, people **** on Wilder but at least he was ready to fight his best opponent till he tried to juice himself up knowing he would get KO'd by Wilder!
Can't rate Adonis when Kovalev, Ward, Smith Jr, Barrera and Pascal has done more!
Hopefully the Barrera vs Beterbiev winner gets a shot at him so they can knock him out!
they said adonis would drop his belt and run form kov just likke they said wilder would....NOPE BIG STUPID RUSSIANS MESSED IT UP EVERY TIME...adonis is a real champ kov is a racist ducker...
Lmao
So Adonis isn't to blame for not one of those fights getting made?
It's everybody else's fault?
You think Adonis has been a good defending champ?
Lmao
i've said before the only person that i think has a reasonable claim at adonis ducking him was pascal...
but at the same time pascal wanted to be A side to the lineal champ, but pascal had been sitting on the shelf and was fightin on undercards...so he wasnt doing himself any favors, but his popularity in canada is not questionable...and some ppl base A side off that...but on the flip side this was adonis's peak in canada as well..
kov and bhop...sorry i will not entertain them talkin about adonis ducking them when bhop litterally had his name in adonis's 3 fight deal with showtime for 1 fight and a rematch..and kov ran from a purse bid that he asked for and then demanded that showtime not be part of the fight even when showtime said they will work with hbo to put this fight on as a huge ppv..
froch and all those guys..stop...dirrell litterally signed the fight and dropped out of it...adonis didnt move to 175 for nothing.nobodfy would fight him at 168
You're a fkin liar. Manipulating words how you want to. To make people believe whatever little fairy tale of Stevenson you got in your head.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5DQhJ1VMAE4FwG.jpg:large
It says SOME and you making it sound like Smith wanted everything. He also wanted a rematch clause why wouldn't Stevenson give it to him?
Stop going around fkin lying, son.
why tf would a champion give a challenger a rematch clause?? dude are you new to life or just here to bother me?
im glad u got the exact quote..good job...i didnt intend to mislead anyone...but joe didnt hae these same demands for someone lower on the totem pole (bhop and fonfara) but now he wants to keep a champs money?? it does not work like that..u earn your shot and win then themoney comes..the champ is already coming to your backyard...
I think Stevenson may be the worst champion in my lifetime. Not worst fighter, as I think he's pretty good. I rate him more than he rates himself. But when you talk about Pascal, Hopkins, Kovalev and they all fight each other and you fight Karpency and whats his face, you are most likely the problem. Hasn't Alvarez been his mandatory for a while too? He literally doesn't even need to defend his mandatory.
bhop bailed on each contract that team stevenson sent him..team stevenson called him greedy...adonis's name was already signed bc he signed a 3 fight deal that included a rematch clasue for hopkins and a fonfara fight...
so u are really tripping to blame adonis for golden boy splitting away from haymon and going to hbo...dont just throw out bs
No mention of Stevenson backing out of a contract with Kov though. Kov just fought Andre Ward, Stevenson is fighting Monaghan. I'm a little more inclined to believe Kov was more willing to take the risk than Stevenson.
he didnt back out bc he never had one..they had a hand shake agreement to fight that was contingent upon hbo getting stevenson signed to a tv deal...hbo blew the deal so showtime offerd a better 3 fight deal.
michel exposed hbo when they lied and told the public they had a deal..he released emails where both parties agreed that they had more to work out...stevenson only asked for 300k extra to stay on hbo...haymon, michel, and hbo were all to pay 100k each to reach the 300k...hbo declined...very dumb move..and they robbed us of a fight..they knew his number and was told he would sign right away if he reached it...
either way he was signing to unify...
andre ward has been avoiding adonis stevenson for years..so the bring up who kov fought means nothing.
stevenson offered ward to figth at 168 and then at 175 after that fight as well...IN OAKLAND...
Those are facts I supposed too? :rofl:
from the wbc's words the are facts..adonis has had this date for months now..i knew it would not be alvarez....he wants 3 fights at the age of 40..how can u hate on that?
each of them was meant to be top 10 fights until joe smith started making A side demands.
well at least 2 of the 3...joe smith and alvarez...i assumed badou jack would be next bc floyd, jack, and the wbc want the fight..and we know haymon works with all fine.
tha is a fight of the year type of year that joe smith just robbed him of..that is nothing im proud of even if i didnt like stevenson
Apparently the only one whos f*cking stupid here is you, mate. If Stevenson lost and wanted a rematch that means he would need a rematch clause because it's not guaranteed Smith would give him a rematch otherwise. Are you retarded? :rofl:
:dunce:
rematch clause works one way...if stevenson loses rematch...BAM DONE..
IF JOE LOSES...TOO FUGGIN BAD...but joe is requesting that if hel loses he gets another shot...what do u not understand about this??
joe is requestion a rematch clause for himself...even after a loss he wants a rematch...it's too much..it's the newest crap in boxing..i've never ehard of it
I literally have no idea who the guy is so I took up your suggestion of Googling him and well... See for yourself.
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Does anyone here have any info on who this guy is?
My Low Place You seem to know your boxing. Can you enlighten us on who this young hungry lion Stevenson is about to fight is?
he was with TR..an irishman...tough but not good enough for adonis..i wouldnt doubt that he could be joe smith or some of the unprove top 10 guys...hell karpency almost ko'd the ukranian guy on 10 day notice...so i dont believe in him very much...
not going to tell u seanie is great, but he's in teh wbc top 15..and everyone there except 3 ppl are taken up
Stupid fight. Stevenson is a clown. Monaghan isn't very good.
Stevenson vs Joe Smith in Long Island = Good fight. 2 guys with huge power
Joe Smith vs Monaghan in Long Island = Good Story. Fight would have an awesome atmosphere.
Stevenson vs Monaghan in Long Island = nobody cares.
blame joe smith...he got the A side big head...he didnt ask hopkins to reach all in his pockets...but then again like u said "gusy with huge power" likely made him a little scared seeing that we know adonis just might change the course of his career with one punch..he's done it before right?
wait what?!? Smith was offered a Stevenson fight on Long Island and smith was asking too much? I musta missed that one....what happened?
both articles were onboxingscene..adonis is fighting in long island bc he offered joe first and reserved the venue..when joe fell through seanie was the only one in the wbc's top 15 except jack (who wants thte fight this summer) and alvarez (just fought 2 weeks ago)
joe came out blaming adonis..said SCARED...ppl ran with it..yvon michel came out and said that joe and his ppl wanted to be in control or tickets and keep the gate...just a lot of stuff that he shouldnt be doing if he wants to be the lineal champion..
some actually felt joe should be the A side, but im not listening to that argument
This guy doe...
It's always someone else's fault and never Stevenson's. One of these days he will realize he's been defending nothing but a fraud and will be quite disappointed.
u want adonis to grab him by his collar, make him pay a dollar and never go to hbo no more more more?? dude if u dont know how much bigger the gbp move back to hbo was than adonis and bhop u are lost...
canelo is boss when it comes to golden boy...that's all i will say..
adonis signed a 3 fight showtime deal to fight fonfra, unifry with bhop, and to rematch the unification fight...his part was done..bhop said they didnt send him a contract...but michel state "he's just greedy" bascially he knew he was throwin out numbers that werent reasonable bc he knew he would head to hbo to be kovelav's food and canelo's protector...
No offense to Monaghan, he is making the smart move by taking this fight, but he just isn't a credible contender at this time.. badou jack should have gotten this opportunity
Stevenson is a joke of a champion... he has had a deep pool of potential opponents since he beat Dawson but hasn't landed one..
Ward
Kovolev
Froch
Badou
Dirrell
Dirrell
Bute
Pascal
Joe smith
Beterbeiv
Dawson 2
Hopkins
Couldn't make one of these fights.... pathetic
um dirrell puleld ou the fight with stevenson..u have a very bad list here if it's really broken down..froch ran from adonis wtf..joe smith just asked for adonis to change his whole life in order to fight him..did he ask bhop to pay him too much? no bc he knows adonis is going to ko him
The delusion continues.
Has anyone noticed how this guy does nothing but blame others and never Stevenson? NEVER!
i didnt blame a thing..i said facts..kovalev dropped the purse bid..the wbc even ripped him lol...but when i do it i'm deluded...fool please...
i said pascal was partially ducked...when adonis is wrong i say it...but with bhop and kov i didnt see the wrong
Really? Does Hopkins have a history of ducking tough opponents and difficult styles?
I'm just saying; You've got to spin a lot of things to make Adonis look like the avoided one.
Pascal, Kovalev, Hopkins all have history fighting difficult fights and combined for 5 combined fights with each other, whereas Stevenson was more content being inactive and fighting bums.
On paper to me it looks like he jumped ship from HBO to avoid Kovalev, then priced himself out of the fight he wanted vs. old man Hopkins, then priced himself out against Pascal and they all fought each other and he did nothing.
History and those fighters respective actions show us this is the more likely outcome of what actually happened. There's form to go by.
no on paper is says he signed his contract that had a 3 fight deal with 2 including hopkins...
hopkins didnt duck...he simple took golden boy back to hbo..canelo followed just one month later...gpb went right into suing al haymon....IT'S BIGGER THATN ADONIS AND BHOP..
but the boxing god's did not care they cursed bhop...BC BHOP LEFT SLANDERING PPL INSTEAD OF TELLING THE TRUTH...that him and golden boy knew all along that they were getting away from haymon and Richard S.
i've said that pascal has the best argument for being ducked...but he did himself no favors when he told teh champ to be his B side, and at the time adonis was doing 10k seats in canada and pascal was just coming off an undercard fight..
kovalev does not hae one at all...he ran from the purse bid and when adonis was at hbo...he asked for a fair deal to fight kov..hbo declined it and he signed with showtime for a better 3 fight deal....he only wanted 300k extra to stay with hbo...haymon was going to pay 100k, michel 100k and hbo 100k...hbo refused...u dont drop the fighter of the year for 100k...that is fuggin stupid...especially when he can get a bigger better fight on sho with bhop...and that ws the plan, but like explained before...bhop and golden boy had other things in mind
Why would he demand alot of money from Hopkins?? he was looking for a shot, he beat Hopkins and now has earned a good payday.
see your a problem in boxing..he beat a 50 year old..idc if that 50 year olds name was jesus...U'RE SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 50 YEAR OLD THAT CANT PUNCH...it was not huge fight..nobody rated him as the top lhw in the world for it...nobody in god's earth is giving him a shot vs adonis, ward, or kov after that mess....
just bc bhop thought he could go out with a cherrypicked win aDONIS SHOULD HAVE TO PAY HIM?? LOL...joe was going to make good money this figth more than likely..he went overboard...im sure this would have been his career high..but also it would have been a career ender...it's ok..he turned it down fight a champ in his own backyard...not my issue
How can you say something that has not happened is a fact? I just love how you make up lies in your own head and think people will just believe your bullsh*t. :rofl:
My Low Place? More like My Lonely Place in that head of yours. Nothing but fiction, denial.
i never said hist upcoming schedule is set in stone..i said the thing i say in defense of him are facts...
i predicted jack would be an opponent bc i know the landscape of boxing..and yes it is a fact that adonis, who will turn 40 this year, wants 3 fights...and yes it is fact that hhis first fight was mean to be in NY vs joe smith...a start to a great year if you ask me, but im not going to blame adonis for that fight if joe smith wants to play "pay me to play me" especially since he is not a champ, and especially since he didnt do that crap with bhop or anyone else he fought...
if joe smith wants to deny himself the shot at being great..i'll watch others...seanie stepped up to the plate...he's 1 of the 3 top 15 guys from the wbc rankings...jack and alvarez are the others..alvarez knows when his shot is coming...it's called being patient as a fan and that fight is coming
kinda dont like how they are going to leave out the other champs for a figth that had a clear winner and the only bit of drama was if the uk would rob linares..
and speaking of loma he and bob need to hurry with that corrales fight getting done...i dont want to hear about opponents not willing to fight him if he's not willing to pay them equal money if they are top opponents and he's not doing great numbers..that ship is sailing real fast
leo better jab, leo better body work, leo equal only 10 less power shots, leo better in exchanges, and leo flushing frampton from the pocket consistently all adds up to 117 to 111 for frampton...
FOH...u'd get washed at 130 by even the newest champion tank davis and he's just 22
leo santa cruz put a beating on frampton and he got 117-111 scorecards in jaw dropping bs fashion now he's talkin about 130 lol..
this dude is the same guy who ducked like hell at 122..this just shows me that he knows his ceiling has been reached..he watch that replay and he saw that he lost..now it's like say yes to anything and hope u get lucky
have you forgotten about 122 where the number 1 man in that division who is supposedly untouchable has been getting rocked and dropped by nobodies and japanese fisherman since forever.cant forget about 168 where one of the belt holders was knocked the fuk by a journeyman or 130 where uchiyama was knocked out by a light hitting opponent in corrales.this is boxing you clown anybody can get dropped/hurt.
i could blow these excuses out of the water..let;s keep it reall jacobs doesnt fight top guys for a reason..
the respect for uchiyama rigo type guys poops on jacobs my goodness just sad for u even to go there...i know the question only made one point but wat corrales level opponent has jacobs fought even in his dreams?
if u havent seen corrales u might be missing something wild and special..
and lord rigo fought a giant and broke his face after being knocked down...how many framptons and cruz's ducked jacobs..lol...pathetic attempt to save that ordinary division