Let's see........
Ring Magazine has been awarding and recognizing champion since 1922.
That’s one year after the WBA (then known as National Boxing Association) first started recognizing champs, over 40 years before the WBC (est. in 1963), 50 years before the IBF (est. in 1976) and 60 years before the WBO (est. in 1988).
So the Ring has been around longer than any other sanctioning body, outside the WBA, yet it's not a real title?
The Ring>>>>>any other title
Very bad post.
Looking at how long it has been awarding champions you'd think it would be the most qualified to exist as an official world title. Seeing that, despite all what you googled, it still is not an official world title, it only legitimizes its existence as NOT being an official title.... as there has been more than enough time to examine its qualifications.
Valiant effort but it was like running full force into a brick wall.
Not the IBO, no.
The Lineage? Of course. Of course a Lineal Title is an official World Title.
So you're saying if Boxrec and Top Rank update their website to Pacquaio having 8 World Titles you would then also change your view to him having 8 Titles?
So bascially, you're view is defined by what those websites state?
That's pretty stupid, man.
The only way you can deny that Pacquaio doesn't have 8 Titles is to deny the legitimacy of the Lineage. Which is outright flawed and illogical.
I said I might consider. Read much? I say that because I know Top Rank and Boxrec are going by what's OFFICIAL!!!. As I am going by what's OFFICIAL!!!
Now... if Guinness named the IBO, and you admitted that it's not an official world title, then why are you still saying that he won 8 world titles? :thinking:
Again... go put in your ground work and let me know what kind of results you come up with.
Dont forget Guinness :D
Which makes Guinness either ignorant or mere fans themselves because their not dealing with what's official. When people decide to personally "count" the Ring as an official title you're dealing with opinions.
Walks around at 138 and weighs in between 144 and 145? He's gaining weight under intense training camps? He walks around at 138 but can't meet Marquez at 140? The comedy never ends.
Why is The Ring title not a World Title?
Wikipedia list him as having 'Major Titles' in 6 weight classes and 'Lineal Titles' in 2 weight classes.
I consider that 8 World Titles. Technically and offically.
Wiki says he won the Lineal in FOUR weight classes... not 2. Quote:
"He is the first eight-division world champion; having won six world titles, as well as the first to win the lineal championship in four different weight classes."
The debate is not weather or not you think the Ring should be an official world title. That's a debate all unto itself.
I have to disagree, at least if its NSB we are talking about. There only seems to be the two serious pactard spammer's on here, bombs and check hooks, whereas any one of us could reel off about ten or more of the flomo equivalent right off the top of our heads.
Using you as an example, the "flomo" and "pactard" label is often thrown around to avoid dealing with the content of an argument. Your first reply was "flomo blah blah blah" and you have not contributed anything to the topic. It's a sign of mental weakness. Step your game up.. if you have any.
ok gents, lineal titles dont count according to this dumbass.....:killyou:
Don't attack me... attack Wikipedia, Boxrec, and the people who did not make the Ring and IBO belts official world titles.
from a drug addict crossdresser and a juvenile lying coward who beats up women?
i think pac's just fine w/o them. being called the ATG of this era, FOTD, record 8 division champ and adored globally?
:lame:............
Man, that flew RIGHT over your head. Those things you mentioned have NOTHING to do with getting rid of Arum like Oscar and Mayweather.
He knows that... he just avoided that point.
But, it's not an opinion.
The Guinness Book of Records state that Pacquaio has won legit titles in 8 Weight classes.
The fact of the matter is; He has.
He has won either a Major Sactioning Bodie's title or a Lineal Title in 8 different Weight classes. Fact.
And that is all they're saying.
The Guinness reads: "Most boxing world titles in different weight divisions"
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1/most-boxing-world-titles-in-different-weight-divisions/
And the 2 titles won against Margarito and Cotto were CATCHWEIGHT fights :lol1:
http://s3.noelshack.com/uploads/images/17764569215415_2gvrcw9.jpg
Yep... he's only won 4 in my book.
never heard of the other dude but Wasp and Opal holds it down on youtube..2 of my fav channels.....even though they went in on my man B.Hop in their last vids I still got e-love for those dudes :cool2:
No doubt Fam.... Wasp went in a lot harder tho lol
Anyway, back to the thread, I'm done responding to ppl that I already have on ignore, I don't even know why I wasted my time.
Me neither. He lured you into a battle of personal attacks to avoid the content of the thread.
Pacquaio is technically an 8 Division Champion
112
122
126
130
135
140
147
154
Despite the Jr Middleweight Title being worthless it still is technically a Title that he won.
Just like Morales' 4th Belt. Some chose to discredit that Belt as they do Pacquaio's 8th Belt which is fine in my book.
Still, it doesn't change the fact that offically he is technically an 8 Division Champion.
And at 126 and 140 he won Lineal Titles. Despite not having an actual 'major' belt on the line (WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF) he still won Lineal Titles which is actually more legitimate than an Alphabet Belt.
So, disregarding the Lineal Titles is pretty stupid, really.
The argument made is based on world titles .
Do you not consider holding the Lineal title to be holding a World Title?
Perhaps I need to be more clear about what I'm arguing. The Guinness reads:
"The most boxing world titles won in different weight divisions is EIGHT by Manny Pacquiao"
This is WRONG. The Ring and IBO are not world titles. This is why Wikipedia, Boxrec, and Top Ranks website have him listed as winning 6 world titles... not 8. Personal interpretation of what a world title should be in contrast to what it actually is is irrelevant on the premise I'm sitting on.
i dont need to attack anyone, pac is on the record books, period!
floyd aint got none that you can say " hes the only one that did this"....none, exept maybe " who ducked the most challenges"....
Let me know when you have a solid argument refuting the facts presented.
im with the ts. i feel really bad for the pacquiao.
i mean his legacy is pretty much sealed, he's loved by his country men, just bought a $300,000 car, is considered the best fighters of this era and one of the best fighters of all time.
i really pity him
:banana:
And I think most importantly... he doesn't need Arum anymore. He refuses to take notes from Oscar and Floyd as he should.
Wikipedia states he has 'Major' World titles at;
112
122
130
135
147
154
And it also states he has Lineal Titles at'
126
140
Therefore he has 8 legitmate World Titles.
Boxrec use to have Manny recorded as winning 8 official world titles. Guess what... they changed it after they were informed of their error.
I tell you what... write Boxrec and Top Rank and plead with them using your personal interpretations that you've shared here. Let me know when they are hit with your enlightenment and change their presentations.
Why isnt the Ring title not a world title? Of course its a world title
Why isn't it a world title? BECAUSE IT ISN'T.
People are pulling an entirely different debate out of their arses. You are free to make a thread about weather or not you think the Ring should be an official world title. Make another one on why you think the IBO should be one while you're at it. In the meantime the fact will remain that they are not and the Guinness is in error.
Yes.
And he has won 8 World Titles in 8 different divisions.
ok.. so the Ring and the IBO are official world titles in your book. Fine. You're free to have anything exist in your own little head. Let me know when you've convinced Boxrec and Top Rank. Send me the link to where they changed their information and I might consider changing my mind.