Freddie Roach "Who The F*** Are Mayweather & Bradley? We'll Fight Martinez @ 150"

. Cotto won 1 fight against Mosley that put him into the top 3, then lost 6 months later. Same with Margarito. He won against Cotto and then got KO'd 8 months later. Floyd beat every #1 ranked in every division WHILE THEY WERE STILL RANKED #1! Tszyu being the only exception. When Floyd faced SSM, Shane was the #1WW after having knocked out Margarito who beat Cotto bloody. Shane was coming off of a huge win and had actually earned his #1 spot. Pacquiao fought Barrera and Morales ... lost to Morales. Then dodges the man who had just beaten Morales: Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao has NOT faced a first, second or third ranked boxer since 2008 when he fought Marquez. There is no way he's a top boxer by fighting 5th ranked fighters. That's just the way it is. You don't jump to #1 by fighting 5th ranked boxers ... no matter how many 5th ranked fighters you face. Ha, ha big deal SSM beat Margarito. Margarito was smashed from pillar to post by Cotto so SSM beat a shop worn Margarito. Margartio beat Cotto but at what cost? Cotto was winning that fight until very late into the fight. So SSM wasnt some kind of God for beating margarito he was still the man who lost to Cotto, the one Pac beat and the one Floyd wanted none of. Yes, so what if Floyd beats weak champs in divisions? When faced with strong champs in divisions he didnt want none of it did he unless they were old like SSM with 5 losses under their belt? Yes, Pac fought and beat Morales and Barrera, so when is floyd going to fight men of this calibre without expecting a bravery award for it? You are retarded if you say Pac isnt a top boxer....he is FOTD. You are motivated by hate of Pac. Being as small as he is and beating boxing superstars like Cotto, hatton without ref help and DLH. You make out anyone can do this, so why didnt your average joe ever do it? Why didnt floyd fight Cotto and Margarito? I dont know why he didnt and really thats neither here nor there, but im telling you this floyd will never get as much credit for not fighting them, as Pac will get for fighting them. Thats just the way it is baby.

because looking bad doesn't get you a fight with floyd it gets you a fight with pacquiao as we can see.team pacquiao didn't want anything to do with sergio before now we got freddie roach saying that sergio looked like garbage in his last fight and we will fight him at 150 And this has happened too many time for it to be coincidence. Roach trained ODH and said he already knew that he could not pull the trigger anymore. Hence, he convinced Pac that he could win that fight and they took it. He said Cotto didn't look the same, they fought him instead of Mosley. They said Hatton didn't look the same after Mayweather, they fought him. Then Margarito, who earlier Roach had said " we aren't stupid" when asked about fighting him. Then Mosley after he looks bad against Mayweather and Mora and they wouldn't fight when he was the #1 WW, unless at 140-141 . Now its Marquez whom Roach even said after the last fight, they are done with Marquez. Now that he is further past him prime and far above his natural weight, now they are ready for revenge. And NO pac fans see a pattern here? COME ON!!!! Can't any Pac fan(not boxing fan, PAC FAN) be objective and call this stuff what it is? Cherry picking 1/2 shot, shot, weight drained or older fighter? Pac is a GREAT FIGHTER...period! But you guys cosigning on these fights trying to make him look even greater just sh*ts on who he could possibly be as a fighter if you were to challenge him on these fights!

As a Boxing Fan I still wants that Fight of Pacman vs Pretty Boy to puish through next year! “The Fight we want!” Pretty Boy said: I’m The Best! The Best, The Best! If you wanna fight me, Take the Test, Take the Test, Take the Test! Ah tell you what… Pacman gonna take the Test! Yeah, He’s gonna take the Test! Arum and Pacman Agreed to take the Test! But see,,, Weather changed, Whether you like it or not, Mayweather’s mind changed! Say what? I don’t need no Manny, Manny, Manny, Manny Pacquiao! Coz, I got a lots of Money, Money, MONEY! “MONEY MAN” That’s Me! Ain’t no need Pacman! I DON’T NEED PACQUIAO! Come on man , You gotta fight Him Come on, It’s not about the Money, Money, MONEY! It’s about Who’s The BEST of The Best! You gotta duck no more, Excuses no more! No more this , No more that! Come on man, Blow away, Blow away, that bloated ego, Ego, ego, ego, Let’s Go, Go, Go! It’s you turn To Take the Test! By fighting the “Fighter of the Decade” Pacman! FIGHT! And the World will know Who’s The BEST of the Best! The BEST! Fans wants the FIGHT! Pretty Boy, The slick African-American Defensive genius vs. Pacman! And World Record Holder of 8 Crowns! Settle the issue Inside the Ring, Inside the Ring INSIDE THE RING! Oh yeah! We want that FIGHT! The Fight, The Fight, The FIGHT OF THE DECADE! The fight we want! Give us The fight we want! Oh Yeah! Give the Fans A fair shake! Fair shake, fair shake, fair shake! Oh Yeah, Shake, shake, shake! Shake it up! Shake it Fair, and Square!!! Yo! Want that FIGHT? … Oh Yeah! Thanks, and God bless!!!

Pac passed every test ever, and people only accused him of being on PEDS because of his success in the ring. They didnt accuse him of it, because he refused a test, so people will think what they want to think about Pac regardless. Pac does care what people think about him. It means a lot to Pac that people think he is so damn great he must be on PEDS. It is the highest compliment a boxer can get. Floyd wont fight pac though, because he dont care people call him a chicken and duck. Just like when he was called a ducker against Cotto, he just retired. Please post a link to where a legitimate offer was made to him during this time! HE made and offer to fight Cotto previously and it was declined. Do you call Cotto a "ducker". And Bob Arum says you are wrong as Floyd said he would face Margarito, Cotto & De La Hoya and Arum didn't except. So now please explain why Haters keep spewing this none sense when the guy that hates him most admits that he would've take those fights, but ARUM declined?

Floyd is scared of Manny. That's all you need to know. That's all there is to it. i thought mannys scared of needles.

wow Brother Jay you destroyed that dude badly...you are one bad muthafukah!

That's probably because you did read your own post, my man. The only year that Floyd was not active since 1996 was 2008. Both Cotto and Margarito were destroyed following the one noteworthy each of them managed to obtain. We are talking in a matter of 8 months each fighter was beaten, had their title taken, and struggling to get back on their feet. Then, within 1-2 tune ups, they were defeated again by Pacquiao. Remember, Pacquiao only fights guys coming off losses. Any real fan who was watching boxing back then remembers what really happened. Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split and priced himself out of a fight. Ironically Tszyu got blasted in his fight with Hatton, who afterwards went up to face Mayweather. How is Manny Pacquiao the #1WW in the world? Every WW that Pacquiao has faced has been ranked 5th except for Cotto, who was ranked 4th. You don't become the #1 anything by fighting 4th and 5th ranked fighters .. no matter how many of them you fight. You sound like an idiot. Pacquiao hasn't face a top 3 fighter since Marquez in 2008. At least pretend like you watch boxing, dude. How was Castillo better than other #1 ranked fighters? Hatton was undefeated when Mayweather gave him his first loss. Judah was #2. Baldomir was #1. Marquez was the #1 LW moving up to face Floyd. Mosley was #1. Ortiz was #2. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Floyd has consistently faced the #1 and #2 in every division aside from Tszyu. Pacquiao has avoided champions .. seeking vacant belts. He's also used catchweights to drain fighters and come in on fight night larger than them. There's proof if you want it. LOL .. name the fighters that Barrera beat to become a so-called top P4P fighter. I dare you. Outside of Morales and Prince Hamed, who the fcuk did Barrera beat to make a claim to be considered among the best? Every single time Barrera stepped up to make a claim as the best, he failed unless he was facing Morales. Who did Barrera fight? Ayala? Juarez? Tapia? You must be joking. Barrera gave great fights, but hardly was an elite fighter. Just ask Junior Jones, Pacquiao or Marquez. That's the facts, Jack. Clottey was coming off of a loss. Also Clottey has never beaten a top 3 WW in his life. He's lost every significant WW match he's ever had. LOL .. Hatton himself said that was never the same after losing to Mayweather. It wasn't that Mayweather did so much physical damage that Hatton wasn't the same. It was that Mayweather TOTALLY destroyed Hatton's confidence, and therefore his will to perservere was destroyed. Hatton was saying it after the fight. He fired his trainer, hired Mayweather's father, and came in swinging for the fences against Pacquiao. Mayweather Sr and Hatton himself said that Hatton had COMPLETELY abandoned everything they had worked on to land a home run shot. Not as clear as your ignorance of the sport. I see that you have the enthusiasm to argue with and confront me, but just not the brains, the savvy or the information. You're no different that the peasants that i deal with here regularly. Its just that someone lied to you and told you that you can do whatever you put your mind to. In life, just like in boxing, there is rank for a reason. And you will always be beneath me, petty fool. Reply if you must but your heart won't be in your words because deep inside you know that I am correct. Floyd is scared of Manny. That's all you need to know. That's all there is to it.

Ignore ignorance, my friend. This guy can't be reasoned with. True, this brother jay is quite the comedian and musician blowing his own trumpet. Then i have to gently bring him back down to earth.

What seems to be beyond your comprehension Hugh Grant, is that Pacquiao targets names, not top talent. Floyd has spent the last 14 years fighting the #1 & #2 in each division he's competed in. The only instance where he didn't face the #1 in a division was when Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60-40 split and would budge. Pacquiao padded his record with his first 40 fights in southeast Asia. While he was avoiding real competition, he was knocked out twice by journeymen. He's been outboxed by a brawler in Erik Morales, and he in most minds lost both fights to Marquez. Then after Marquez in 2008, Pacquiao NEVER faced a top 3 fighter, and its now 2011 going into 2012. That's the difference Hugh Grant. One boxer fights the best in any division he's competing in. The other looks for catchweight matches, vacant title bouts and gets knocked out. Morales beat Pacquiao and then got dominated by Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao chose to fight against the loser and avoided the winner. Mayweather fights winners(except in the case of Judah) and champions. Pacquiao actually targets losers and banned fighters as opponents. And let us not forget that Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers. Then they had a tune up against a club fighter or 2 and then they lost to Pacquiao as if they were ever back on top. Mayweather's last 2 opponents were the #1 and #2 WW champions of the world. Pacquiao's last 2 opponents were Mosley after Floyd dominated him and he got a draw against Mora ... and Margarito who actually banned for cheating during his match wirh Pacquiao! Don't pretend to be serious with me, peasant. You are not a serious man. You cling to bedtime stories and dream of a day when your favorite peasant will legitimately win against a top fighter without having to manipulate weight or wait for them to be coming off of a loss. Next you'll be talking about writer awards that Manny had GIVEN to him, but didn't earn. Boxers EARN in the ring, not at the podiums and press conferences. Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went. We know that both Barrera and Morales avoided him for years. All of Pacquiao other wins came over club fighters, dehydrated losers and banned fighters. Check his record. You'll see that there is no mistake in what I've written. Pac beat the p4p no1 or 2 in the world in barrera. Who did Floyd beat to be no1? Hernandez perhaps? Hernandez might have been the best in his division, but he wasnt p4p top 5 so who did Floyd beat to be no1 above Pac. Gatti, perhaps, maybe Manfredy? Again also tell me what great fighters sergio beat for years and years that made him no2 as well! Im going by your logic and your boasts dont seem to marry up with your own logic. The Cotto pac beat would have beat anyone Floyd ever fought while im at it. So what if Floyd beat grandad SSM. In hindsight SSM isnt that great so why should floyd get credit for beating SSM? Thats like trying to get a flomo to give Pac credit for beating DLH! DLH was a beast who was supposed to beat Pac like he was his daddy, but it didnt map out like people planned. Im succint and to the point unlike you. Who is a salesman.......cowboy salesman that is trying to blind people with jargon. Ignore ignorance, my friend. This guy can't be reasoned with.

Floyd has spent the last 14 years fighting the #1 & #2 in each division he's competed in. The only instance where he didn't face the #1 in a division was when Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60-40 split and would budge. Pacquiao padded his record with his first 40 fights in southeast Asia. While he was avoiding real competition, he was knocked out twice by journeymen. He's been outboxed by a brawler in Erik Morales, and he in most minds lost both fights to Marquez. Then after Marquez in 2008, Pacquiao NEVER faced a top 3 fighter, and its now 2011 going into 2012. That's the difference Hugh Grant. One boxer fights the best in any division he's competing in. The other looks for catchweight matches, vacant title bouts and gets knocked out. Morales beat Pacquiao and then got dominated by Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao chose to fight against the loser and avoided the winner. Mayweather fights winners(except in the case of Judah) and champions. Pacquiao actually targets losers and banned fighters as opponents. And let us not forget that Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers. Then they had a tune up against a club fighter or 2 and then they lost to Pacquiao as if they were ever back on top. Mayweather's last 2 opponents were the #1 and #2 WW champions of the world. Pacquiao's last 2 opponents were Mosley after Floyd dominated him and he got a draw against Mora ... and Margarito who actually banned for cheating during his match wirh Pacquiao! Don't pretend to be serious with me, peasant. You are not a serious man. You cling to bedtime stories and dream of a day when your favorite peasant will legitimately win against a top fighter without having to manipulate weight or wait for them to be coming off of a loss. Next you'll be talking about writer awards that Manny had GIVEN to him, but didn't earn. Boxers EARN in the ring, not at the podiums and press conferences. Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went. We know that both Barrera and Morales avoided him for years. All of Pacquiao other wins came over club fighters, dehydrated losers and banned fighters. Check his record. You'll see that there is no mistake in what I've written. Probably one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on this board. Floyd fights the #1 or #2 in every division? Are you crazy? He RETIRED rather than fight Cotto or Margarito, who were at the time the top 2 names in the welterweight division. He moved up from jr-welterweight, when he could've fought Tszyu (division's no.1), to fight a blown-up jr-welterweight Tszyu victim in his first fight at welterweight (Sharmba Mitchell)! He has also continued to avoid the CURRENT no. 1 welterweight in the world, Manny Pacquiao. You take such glee in pointing out 'Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went', but by the same token we can say Floyd's best opposition was Castillo, in 2002, and 'we saw how that match went' (very dubious decision for Floyd). Your refusal to give credit to Pac for destroying Barrera, at the time one of the very top pound for pound fighters in the world, and Morales (twice) shows a blatant bias on your part. Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were all coming off bad losses followed by a tune up? I guess you'd count Clottey, a big, powerful welterweight former titlist, as a 'tune-up' for Cotto? I suppose you'd count Malignaggi as a 'tune up' for Hatton? (And Hatton looked the best he'd ever looked in that fight; only Mayweather acolytes and blatant Pacquiao haters would dispute this) Your bias is clear as day. It's pathetic.

What seems to be beyond your comprehension Hugh Grant, is that Pacquiao targets names, not top talent. Floyd has spent the last 14 years fighting the #1 & #2 in each division he's competed in. The only instance where he didn't face the #1 in a division was when Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60-40 split and would budge. Pacquiao padded his record with his first 40 fights in southeast Asia. While he was avoiding real competition, he was knocked out twice by journeymen. He's been outboxed by a brawler in Erik Morales, and he in most minds lost both fights to Marquez. Then after Marquez in 2008, Pacquiao NEVER faced a top 3 fighter, and its now 2011 going into 2012. That's the difference Hugh Grant. One boxer fights the best in any division he's competing in. The other looks for catchweight matches, vacant title bouts and gets knocked out. Morales beat Pacquiao and then got dominated by Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao chose to fight against the loser and avoided the winner. Mayweather fights winners(except in the case of Judah) and champions. Pacquiao actually targets losers and banned fighters as opponents. And let us not forget that Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers. Then they had a tune up against a club fighter or 2 and then they lost to Pacquiao as if they were ever back on top. Mayweather's last 2 opponents were the #1 and #2 WW champions of the world. Pacquiao's last 2 opponents were Mosley after Floyd dominated him and he got a draw against Mora ... and Margarito who actually banned for cheating during his match wirh Pacquiao! Don't pretend to be serious with me, peasant. You are not a serious man. You cling to bedtime stories and dream of a day when your favorite peasant will legitimately win against a top fighter without having to manipulate weight or wait for them to be coming off of a loss. Next you'll be talking about writer awards that Manny had GIVEN to him, but didn't earn. Boxers EARN in the ring, not at the podiums and press conferences. Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went. We know that both Barrera and Morales avoided him for years. All of Pacquiao other wins came over club fighters, dehydrated losers and banned fighters. Check his record. You'll see that there is no mistake in what I've written. Pac beat the p4p no1 or 2 in the world in barrera. Who did Floyd beat to be no1? Hernandez perhaps? Hernandez might have been the best in his division, but he wasnt p4p top 5 so who did Floyd beat to be no1 above Pac. Gatti, perhaps, maybe Manfredy? Again also tell me what great fighters sergio beat for years and years that made him no2 as well! Im going by your logic and your boasts dont seem to marry up with your own logic. The Cotto pac beat would have beat anyone Floyd ever fought while im at it. So what if Floyd beat grandad SSM. In hindsight SSM isnt that great so why should floyd get credit for beating SSM? Thats like trying to get a flomo to give Pac credit for beating DLH! DLH was a beast who was supposed to beat Pac like he was his daddy, but it didnt map out like people planned. Im succint and to the point unlike you. Who is a salesman.......cowboy salesman that is trying to blind people with jargon.

:peeright: What seems to be beyond your comprehension Hugh Grant, is that Pacquiao targets names, not top talent. Floyd has spent the last 14 years fighting the #1 & #2 in each division he's competed in. The only instance where he didn't face the #1 in a division was when Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60-40 split and would budge. Pacquiao padded his record with his first 40 fights in southeast Asia. While he was avoiding real competition, he was knocked out twice by journeymen. He's been outboxed by a brawler in Erik Morales, and he in most minds lost both fights to Marquez. Then after Marquez in 2008, Pacquiao NEVER faced a top 3 fighter, and its now 2011 going into 2012. That's the difference Hugh Grant. One boxer fights the best in any division he's competing in. The other looks for catchweight matches, vacant title bouts and gets knocked out. Morales beat Pacquiao and then got dominated by Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao chose to fight against the loser and avoided the winner. Mayweather fights winners(except in the case of Judah) and champions. Pacquiao actually targets losers and banned fighters as opponents. And let us not forget that Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were ALL coming off the biggest losses of their careers. Then they had a tune up against a club fighter or 2 and then they lost to Pacquiao as if they were ever back on top. Mayweather's last 2 opponents were the #1 and #2 WW champions of the world. Pacquiao's last 2 opponents were Mosley after Floyd dominated him and he got a draw against Mora ... and Margarito who actually banned for cheating during his match wirh Pacquiao! Don't pretend to be serious with me, peasant. You are not a serious man. You cling to bedtime stories and dream of a day when your favorite peasant will legitimately win against a top fighter without having to manipulate weight or wait for them to be coming off of a loss. Next you'll be talking about writer awards that Manny had GIVEN to him, but didn't earn. Boxers EARN in the ring, not at the podiums and press conferences. Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went. We know that both Barrera and Morales avoided him for years. All of Pacquiao other wins came over club fighters, dehydrated losers and banned fighters. Check his record. You'll see that there is no mistake in what I've written. :gay:

pacquiao looked good in his last fight? pacquiao seems to always want to call the shots.. who the **** is he! timothy is a much better boxer than margarito and i don't recall clottey bein to popular LOLzzz timothy is not only a better boxer but the greatest headbanger (headbutt fighter) hahahaha.

they are like small kids who want to have all the toys. sample: pac is overrated, he's one-dimensional, he's amateurish, he fought nothing but weight-drained over the hill boxers who came off of devastating losses, he is easy to hit. in the next sentence you will see the opposite. he's too good. he has to be on something. he's using peds. you don't need evidence for that. you don't need to sue either. he's using steroids because i say so. i'm a child and an idiot. :bigeyes: U define the flomos perfectly.

He's no role model for kids. Yea he isn't but he's 10000x better person than floyd.

Well then perhaps you would like to take a stab at it, Top Rank? "I've said it before and I'll say it again: Not one pactard on this site can reply here and come up with legitimate reasons for Manny Pacquiao to be rated #1, 2 or even 3. You don't get ranked in the top 3 spots for defeating men who are not ranked among the top 3. It just doesn't make sense. So in what legitimate way has Pacquiao become a top ranked fighter in boxing?Pacquiao's last legitimate win over a top boxer came over Marquez in 2008! Where is the rhyme and reason for calling Pacquiao a top boxer? Defeating men who have star power names doesn't mean they had spots among the top ranked at the point Pacquiao beat them! Explain this with some logic, pactards!" Your reply will determine who the dumbasss is, and it isn't looking very good for you, Top Rank. The ball is in your court. If you cannot answer the above challenge, sit down, shut up and accept your place among the pactarded peasants, you idiot. ha ha, who did floyd beat to be p4p no1 way back when? He seemed to stay no1 for ducking and diving and retiring. Pac beat barrera, morales and JMM so should have been no1 on paper even if officially he wasnt deemed to be. What top p4p fighters did floyd beat to become no1 by your logic? WHile your at it, what great fighters has Sergio beat as well? Pac demolished hatton better than Floyd and DLH so is deserving of no1 and everyone knows it. Floyd seemed to be no1 on the basis he was american. Ducking cotto and margraito also kept him at no1 for some reason.

I actually thought B-Hop could have beaten Roy if the fought back then. Roy was great no doubt, but I never saw the separation (in talent/skills) from guys like Hopkins and Mayweather (back then) like most tried to claim. I guess to each his own..... I feel you TR....but Roy's speed imo would've kept him at least 2 or 3 steps ahead of B.Hop....if Ex has a weakness its dealing with speed imo

I miss when Roach didnt talk as much.

actually I didn't wanna see that rematch EVER....imo B.Hop could've NEVER beaten Roy in his prime....and when they FINALLY fought Roy stood no chance at all so I NEVER gave Hops props for Roy and NEVER will....and look man, B.Hop is my fukkin dude....all day every day no matter what....my fav of them ALL....but I still keeps it real...never doubt that!! I actually thought B-Hop could have beaten Roy if the fought back then. Roy was great no doubt, but I never saw the separation (in talent/skills) from guys like Hopkins and Mayweather (back then) like most tried to claim. I guess to each his own.....