I’ll mostly remember him for showing ambition.
He sought out the biggest challenges available to him.
He had an unusual run where he outclassed fighters by such a margin that four consecutive opponents quit on their stools.
I’ll remember him for the poor decision of fighting Teofimo with a shoulder injury, which meant he didn’t start throwing punches until the second half of the fight.
I’ll also remember Loma then getting the raw end of a decision to the younger and more marketable Devin Haney, despite Lomachenko outclassing the much bigger Haney over 12 rounds.
He had an impressive career, especially considering how short it was. I personally thought Loma won 5 of 6 rounds when he eventually turned it on against Teofimo. Teofimo won, and he showed grit coming out and taking the 12th round; however it seemed plain to me that a healthy Lomachenko would have clearly outboxed Teofimo Lopez.
These things happen I guess. ♂️
Big enough to fight in another division. Let's not reach here. Bivol might not be a huge 175 pounder, but he is not small for the division. He is big for 168 and he belongs in 175.
So, he's bigger enough than Plant and others.
Bivol is smaller than most top Super Middleweights.
Bivol is a medium/small Super Middleweight campaigning at 175lbs.
When Bivol fought Pascal, Bivol rehydrated to 181lbs.
Bivol rehydrated to 183lbs when he faced Canelo,
Bivol says he never weighs more than 185lbs in the ring.
Bivol ~183lbs
175lbers
Bivol 183lbs
Pascal 185lbs
Kovalev 189lbs
Benavidez 189lbs
Morrell 190lbs
Kalajdzic 191.6lbs
Zurdo Ramirez 203lbs
168lbers
Andrade 190lbs
Nelson 193lbs
Morrell weighed 190lbs for his light heavyweight debut.
Benavidez weighed 189lbs for his light heavyweight debut.
Zurdo Ramirez 203lbs for his fight at light heavyweight against Boesel.
Radivoje Kalajdzic weighed in at 191.6lbs for his light heavyweight fight against Morrell.
Steve Nelson weighed 193lbs for his super middleweight fight against Marcos Ramon Vazquez.
Marcos Ramon Vazquez weighed 181lbs for his super middleweight bout.
Andrade rehydrated to 190lbs for his super middleweight bout against Benavidez.
Kovalev weighed 189lbs for his 2015 fight vs Pascal at light heavyweight.
Pascal weighed 185lbs when he fought Kovalev at light heavyweight.
I can't think of any sport that depicts this strange malady. Fighters in other contact sport like MMA/UFC can fight multiple times regardless of loses. In basketball, one on one tennis, baseball, football, you name it, no such thing as this silliness in boxing.
I couldn’t agree more.
I think it’s a combination of things, the legacy of Mayweather remaining undefeated (even though he probably deserved a loss or 2 in his career).
The negative coverage of journalists on boxers after they lose, instead of discussing their positive performance they use hyperbole to put the losers down. We seem to refer to anyone outside of the top 3 in a given division as “bums.”
Naoya Inoue has won 18 world title fights, across 3 weight divisions, yet I saw someone saying he’s only fought bums. Lomachenko has an awesome resume, but because of his two losses I’ve read he was a hype job, even though his last defeat came whilst requiring shoulder surgery (he’s also clearly undersized in the division he is fighting in).
I don’t really get it, but todays boxing fans in general seem unforgiving and fickle.
If a boxer has vacated the weight class, the fighter with the secondary belt should fight the next highest ranked opponent for the vacant title. Let them earn it in the ring.
At least in this scenario there is an event to crown a new champion, it becomes exciting!
I can’t imagine how anticlimactic it would be to be gifted a title when you haven’t fought for and won it.
Getting named a “champion” via email does no one any favours.
Better yet, put a 4 man tournament together with the top 4 contenders and let a new champion be decided that way!
Of course nothing is easy to put together when you have different belt issuing organsations having partnerships with specific promotors and what is frankly a huge amount of corruption, such as paying money for rankings etc.
This would at least give the newly crowned champion legitimacy, credibility and build their popularity.
Thats not how rounds are scored when there is a KD, it would be 9-8 Bohachuck if Ortiz came back to win it, not 10-9.
Erm… you know the scoring system is called The 10 Point Must system, because you must award the winner of the round 10 points right?
Cleaning up isn’t really an accomplishment neither is making weight smh. These are all things normal people have to meet conditions at work those are bumavidezs. what u listed arent accomplishments those are pre-requisites. He’s a trash compactor tho he does crush cans. That’s something. I think he’s talented and should just get some wins against better fighters if he want nelo. Is he better than John Ryder? Probably, but Ryder would be the best fighter bumavidez ever fought if they were fighting so that says a lot.
Come on dude, that’s not true.
Benavidez beat Dirrell in 2019, that’s a much better win than John Ryder.
Zach Parker was beating Ryder in his most recent fight, but as you know Parker gifted Ryder the win, forfeiting because he shattered his hand in the forth round and required surgery. Ryder didn’t beat the man.
Ryder is 34 years old with 5 loses and can’t cut it at the top even at the British level.
John Ryder has challenged for 3 British titles and has lost every time. He has losses to Rocky Fielding, BJ Saunders, Callum Smith and others. Ryder shouldn’t be anywhere near a world title shot, he is (as you put it) a can.
and joshua will land on wilders brittle chin and probably more often and first. wilder doesnt have a good chin either remember. ortiz had him nearly ko'd and might have done the job if it weren't for a surprise rest given to wilder. so the 2 legit fighters he has ever fought ko'd him and nearly ko'd him.
Wilder has shower a very good chin.
Luis Ortiz was one of the heaviest hitters in the heavyweight division. When Ortiz first fought Wilder, Ortiz was 28-0, he had stopped 26 of those opponents. Few people would have survived those bombs Wilder took in round 7 during their first fight.
Wilder wouldn’t have got to where he was without having a decent chin; he’s not known for winning every round, outboxing opponents or have a slick defence! He has often taken his fair share of punishment, relying on his toughness before finally catching his opponents with his eraser of a right hand and forcing the stoppage.
I found Wilder’s 2nd and 3rd fights with Fury uncomfortable to watch, he took so many hard shots to the head I was amazed he was able to stand as long as he did!
Whether Wilder can still take the kind of punishment he has in the past is anyone’s guess. I’d favour Wilder to win against Joshua, however Joshua punches harder than Fury. If AJ comes out fast and puts some combinations on Wilder early, he probably could get the early stoppage. If Wilder lands a flush right, it’ll be good night. If AJ tries to outbox Wilder, he’ll almost certainly get caught and KO’ed. For AJ to win he needs to go hard for the first few rounds, back up Wilder and seek an early finish. I think it would be an entertaining match up. I can’t see it reaching the final bell.
Inoue went life and death with an old Nonito in their first fight. I got Fulton winning by a clear UD, unless they rob him in Japan like they did Franco.
It was a tough fight… from the second round Inoue fought with double vision and a fractured orbital bone. So, a severely injured Inoue did go life and death with Donaire. However, unless we’re expecting Inoue to turn up to the Fulton fight with double vision and facial fractures I don’t feel that past fight is particularly relevant to the version of Inoue we’re likely to see. I don’t know who’ll win, I just thought it sensible to put the first Inoue vs Donaire fight into context. That version of Inoue was handicapped from round 2.
I don’t see Dubois ever being a top boxer.
He got absolutely dominated by Usyk and quit on a jab.
Apart from clipping Usyk on his groin box, Dubois did nothing notable.
Kevin Lorena nearly stopped Dubois in the first round. That fight was bizarre.
Dubois vs Miller was one of the sloppiest boxing bouts I’ve ever seen. Miller was never a hard hitter, was always limited as a fighter, but his EPO enhanced engine previously meant he was a very busy boxer who threw lots of punches.
Against Dubois, he was so out of shape he wasn’t fit to go 6 rounds, never mind 10.
Dubois was gassed and painfully slow by the midway point. Miller wasn’t hurt when the referee stopped the action in the final round, he was just too out of shape to defend himself, and Dubois had no speed or power left to knock an exhausted, out of shape Miller down.
I just don’t think anything of Dubois.
I don’t think he has potential.
I don’t think he has heart.
I don’t think he has skill.
I don’t think he has ring IQ.
He don’t think he has a good chin.
He is a sloppy, unfit, glass cannon, who doesn’t carry his power to the late rounds and has twice quit due to jabs.
Miller wasn’t great when he was juiced on everything, and now he’s just a slob.
The praise Dubois got for beating punching bag named Miller is misplaced. If Dubois is put in with a heavyweight with any kind of amateur pedigree and a decent punch Dubois will be flattened in 3 rounds.
Anyone else find this headline misleading?
Dubois didn’t blast Miller out.
They were just both exhausted.
Miller didn’t even look hurt when the fight was stopped, he was just so gassed he could barely lift his arms.
Both men were sluggish and sloppy for the second half of the fight. Dubois couldn’t have blasted anyone out at that point, his punches were glacially slow.
More vigorous testing? What’s the point? Your man got caught cheating twice and then the WBC made an excuse up for him!
Benn never cleared his name.
Boxing is corrupt to the core.
I’ve lost interest in Eddie and all his fighters. In fact, this whole debacle has further tarnished my interest in boxing.
It’s hard to believe anyone is confident in picking Pacquiao to win against Tank.
I’m a critic of Tank. It bugs me that he has no ambition to fight the best in his division and only chooses C- and B- class fighters. That being said, Tank has great timing, power, and is a quality counter puncher.
Pacquiao is an old legend. He has been slipping for years though, and he’s going to have slipped further now he’s older and has more inactivity. His reaction time will have slowed a little more. He shouldn’t be fighting any world class fighters.
I think he’d still beat McGregor, but frankly I don’t like McGregor and don’t want to see Pacquiao putting millions of dollars in Conor’s bank account.
I cannot believe that professional athletes are still getting away with this excuse.
Even as an amateur athlete, you know you need to buy tested supplements. You can buy clean supplements that come tested with a certificate.
Everyone knows that lots of sports supplements are contaminated, that is why you cannot just take anything. You can even find a list of contaminated supplements and then choose to take contaminated supplements and then just say “oh, I didn’t know.”
As a professional, you know to buy clean supplements from a reputable supplier that supplies a certification that says your supplements are clean.
That might be true. However, don’t get me wrong.
I just think that Fulton is an even better boxer than Inoue. Moreover, if Inoue can’t land anything big to disrupt Fulton’s rhythm and accuracy;
I cannot see him winning this fight on points unless there is corrupt judging.
Hmm, Inoue has virtuoso timing and the power to KO with one shot. He’s also a superb body puncher, a great finisher, and has footwork that allows him to stick to his opponents like glue. I personally think Inoue will find a way, he’ll time Fulton at some point and hurt him.
For those asking whether tainted supplements is a valid excuse in any case. The answer is no because even amateur athletes subject to testing know they must purchase supplements that are tested and certified clean.
If you choose to use untested supplements, you are aware they may have special “extras” to help they give better results.
Hundreds, if not thousands of supplements have PEDs in them. There is a website somewhere that published test results for sports supplements and many contain PEDs that are not listed on the label (for obvious reasons).
If the professional boxers do not know this, their team certainly do, and the professional boxer really shouldn’t be so naive.
Certified clean supplements do not cost much more than untested supplements.
Furthermore, if we allow athletes to blame tainted supplements, it allows a back door for their team to find supplements that are tainted with PEDs, give them to their boxer, and then have a ready made excuse for their positive test.
Another shot in the foot for boxing.
Boxing needs streamlining, we need less weight divisions. Many divisions lacks talents and names. The small differences between many weight classes means it’s far too easy to jump between classes to swerve the best competition.
Finally, 201-224 lbs?
That means that Deontay Wilder, the boxer with the most defences of his heavyweight title of this generation, would have fought all of his successful defences of his heavyweight title, while at Super Cruiserweight, and Usyk, the unified and arguably best heavyweight boxer in the world right now would also be classed as a super cruiserweight.
Even Tyson Fury, before he got popped for PEDs used to fight at 240lbs~, with a fairly moderate weight cut Tyson Fury could have been fighting at Super Cruiserweight.
Rubbish addition to boxing, not for the good of boxing, just there for more sanctioning fees.
I’d like to see boxers drop the alphabet titles in the bin and just use the ring belt.
Ryder's win over Jacobs alone is better than Benavidez's whole career. Hell, the win over Parker is too.
Having a world title twice without facing a single world class fighter or even a decent, fringe world level guy, shows how worthless those two trinkets were.
Ryder didn’t beat Zach Parker, Zach Parker broke his hand at the end of the 4th round and retired on his stool, requiring hand surgery. Zach Parker was getting the better of Ryder.
Also, Ryder’s win over Daniel Jacobs wasn’t all that. Jacobs current form is really not too good, his last 2 wins are against a past his peak Julio Cesar Chavez Jr who had just lost to Anderson Silva, and Gabriel Rosado, who himself has 26 wins to 16 losses, and who’s form hasn’t been great for quite some time. Jacobs is past it, his loss to Ryder says more about Jacobs decline than it does about Ryder’s skill.
Benavidez doesn’t have the quality wins I’d like to see of him, but he does have a history of stopping opponents that have never been knocked out before and a couple of decent names on his resume. I’d like to see the Plant fight, that will give us a better idea of where Benavidez stands.
If Benavidez didn't lose his belt twice because of his own actions, he could have had Canelo already. He literally sidelined himself. Guess that coke was too good. And all that food he ate not making weight.
Sure, Benavidez got stripped… but he never lost his title in the ring. He’s effectively an unbeaten, uncrowned champion at super middleweight.
He’s better than a fair few of the guys Canelo has faced in the last few years and a lot of fans want to see if his volume punching is too much for Canelo.
I’d certainly prefer to see that fight than Ryder!
We need a world boxing super series at 147lbs.
That would have brought some fans to the sport and gone down in legend. The old versus the new, Spence, Crawford, Thurman, Ugas; Ortiz, Boots, Stanionis and Crowley. 6 undefeated fighters, 4 current or former world champions, 4 talented hungry contenders. That would have generated interest and money.
Hopefully we’ll get a super fight at Welterweight one day!
Just commenting to say that some of the insults and arguing on this thread are embarrassing, juvenile and frankly tragic.
What, I assume, are adults are really embarrassing themselves.
I’d certainly like to see it. If Joshua wants to try and get back to Usyk, AJ vs Luis Ortiz, followed by Wallin and finally Usyk might be the sensible path to take. Usyk was game for a third fight, though many of us won’t have much interest unless AJ can show some marked improvement against southpaws.
If Joshua is trying to get those last important fights in before his career ends, he needs a confidence-builder next, then the winner of Ruiz vs Wilder would be an entertaining one. Ruiz will need to be motivated and in shape to have a chance of besting Wilder, though I favour Wilder at some point finding the mark on Ruiz with his shotgun blast of a right hand and sending Andy for a well earned snooze. I’d love to see the AJ v Wilder fight and we all know Ruiz wants to avenge his loss to Joshua.
At this point I think most of us would expect Wilder to win inside the distance. Hopefully we get to witness the giants collide!
I would love to see Inoue vs Tank.
Seeing as Tank refuses to fight any of the talented names at 135lbs, can someone convince him to drop some weight and go fight no names at 130lbs again?
I think Tank weighs in the high 140’s on fight night atm, whereas Inoue is in the mid 130’s.
There’s maybe 15lbs separating them at the moment.
Otherwise they are same height and reach, and more or less the same age.
They need to look at Juanma-Gamboa as an example of what happens when marination goes wrong.
From my perspective it goes wrong more than it goes right!
Spence vs Pacquiao, Mayweather v Pacquiao (way past their best, but I suppose it did generate an awkward lot of money), Spence vs Crawford, Joshua vs Fury, Joshua vs Wilder, Teofimo Lopez in general, Golovkin vs Charlo, Charlo vs Canelo, Beterbiev vs Bivol will likely never happen. We need the fights while they’re relevant.
When you make big fights happen, you bring spectators to the sport, you give boxing buzz again, even a losing effort can bring more fans if you display the talent and heart expected of you. Having said that some fans are fickle and write solid fighters off after a loss or too. ♂️
”At just 24 years old.”
24 is the end of your physical prime. From 24 years old, your reflexes start to slow down. From 28 your cardiovascular y stem begins to slip.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we got to see the most talented fighters actually face each other when they were somewhere near their primes, instead of waiting until they are 10 years past it?
Almost seems common boxers being kept away from belts and good fights until you’re in your 30’s.
However, that still doesn’t make it right. He has paid for his past transgressions.
I just hope you guys reserve that same type of energy for Ryan Garcia once he returns back from his expulsion after popping dirty five times for PEDS.
Once with the New York State Athletic Commission and four times with VADA. You damned hypocrites! :lol1:
Totally, Ryan Garcia failed to make weight and got popped for ostarine.
It makes me wonder to be honest, did he intend to make weight? Ostarine makes your bones become much denser, it may be that he tried to cut fat and water weight, only to realize his bones were now too heavy to make weight. Just a question. But yes, I don’t like the reaction people had to Haney’s loss to a cheat. These drugs make you more durable and heavy handed. It may have been a different story if Garcia was clean and made weight.
If you take away his power…
You’d just be left with a technically great boxer, with perfect balance, pin-point accurate punching, subtle, effective defence, a solid chin and the heart of a champion. Oh, and killer instincts.