Madvillain

Between Bradley vs Alexander, Pac-Floyd not fighting each other, and this sad excuse for a Heavyweight Title fight, this is why MMA and WWE are kicking Boxing's ass. Say what you will about either, but at least they make matches people want to see and have conclusive finishes. I'm finding it more and more difficult to get excited about boxing matches anymore. I used to watch as much as I could, but now there are only a few fighters I can get excited about watching anymore. Anyone else feel like this lately?

But it seems to me that MAYBE the reason for Shane Mosley fighting Sergio Mora is that, besides the obvious reason that he's not a real threat, Mosley never got over his two losses to Vernon Forrest, I remember him talking about wanting to face Forrest a third time. Unfortunately, Vernon was killed. So I think that perhaps the reason Mosley is facing Sergio Mora is his own personal way to extract revenge: By beating the guy who defeated the guy who's had Mosley number since the amateurs. It kind of makes sense also when you consider him also fighting and knocking out Ricardo Mayorga, the guy who beat Forrest twice.

Nice! Bring on Martinez vs Mayweather if Pac falls through, or even Martinez vs Williams 2. EDIT: Just read that the decision is not official. Still, if he decides he wants to go suck at 168, who might you want Sergio to fight?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/C1EHHUNuSJ8/0.jpg For Clottey: Manny Pacquiao is obviously the faster fighter, but Joshua Clottey is a big, tall, tough fighter with more than a few things going for him. The first thing I expect him to do is to throw the left hook early and often while leading him to the ropes. I don't consider Clottey to have a good hook because he chooses to slap with it. But what I think he'll be using it for is to keep turning Pacquiao to the right, directly into range for his money punch: The lead right hand. (BANG!) Now, Joshua Clottey is a come-forward fight who likes to counter punch, so I might even expect to see Clottey use this very same strategy when Pacquiao throws the right hook. Clottey will throw the left hook, then BANG! the lead right. But the lead right isn't his only weapon. Clottey has a devastating textbook uppercut in his arsenal. You may look out for Clottey throwing another left hook to Pacquiao, putting him in range again for the right uppercut. I can especially see this happening should he manage to score already with the lead right. Pacman will undoubtedly throw a punch during this trade that lands first, but Clottey has a chin of iron. Pacquiao will land first, Clottey will land harder. If he can do that, Clottey will be the first ever boxer to celebrate with those Cowboy cheerleaders in the new stadium. For Pacquiao: Joshua Clottey is 5'9", fights tall, and uses the peek-a-boo defense. What does that mean for the 5'6" Pacquiao? Body shots, Body shots, body shots. As I noticed during his fight with Zab Judah, Judah was very effective when he would throw a quick combination to Clottey's head to stand him straight up or lean him back, then following through a quick 1-2 to his body. With Pacquaio though, look for him to take that to the next level. Expect a lead left hand followed by a double jab or even a right hook. As Clottey leans back, the 5'6" Pacquiao will have the taller Clottey at his mercy with his hands at his head, unable to stop Pacman from throwing a lead left hand and 2 to 3 hooks to his body (Bang! Bang-Bang!). But here is the real brilliance of the strategy: With Clottey unable to protect himself from Pacquiao's body attack, he will most certainly bring his hands down and try to back up to get space. Leaving that chin wide open for a uppercut. (BANG!) If he can do that, it'll be the Pacman who gets to see his hand raised on that big screen TV. :side: ...Well, that's how I see things going down. How about you? Lemme hear you're prediction or game-plan for either fighter.

Here's their list for the 100 best of 2009, please remember this came from the magazine, so things like the victories of Andre Ward, Lucian Bute, and Koki Kameda have not come into account yet. And don't ask where 51-55 is, it wasn't in the magazine, so I have no clue. And this may be reaching, but I typed this up myself for all of you... and green k would be appreciated. EDIT: This is based around who the top fighters are P4P in the sport right now, not who had the best year in boxing for 2009. As you might be able to tell, there was some confusion about this in the posts below. But here it is, RING MAGAZINE TOP 100 FIGHTERS OF 2009 100. Rogers Mtagwa Junior Featherweight 99. Jorge Solis Featherweight 98. Tavoris Cloud IBF Light Heavyweight Titlist 97. Verno Phillips Junior Middleweight 96. Isaac Hlatswayo IBF Welterweight Titlist 95. Kendall Holt Junior Welterweight 94. Rolando Reyes Lightweight 93. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk Cruiserweight 92. Daniel Santos Junior Middleweight 91. Omar Nino Junior Flyweight 90. Carlos Quintana Welterweight 89. Ali Funeka Lightweight 88. Wladimir Sidorenko Bantamweight 87. Juan Urango IBF Junior Welterweight Titlist 86. Eddie Chambers Heavyweight 85. Sebastion Sylvester IBF Middleweight Titlist 84. Sakio Bika Super Middleweight 83. Roy Jones Jr. Light Heavyweight 82. Kermit Cintron Junior Middleweight 81. Librado Andrade Super Middleweight 80. Cristobal Cruz IBF Featherweight Titlist 79. Felix Sturm WBA Middleweight Titlist 78. Giovanni Segura WBA Junior Flyweight Titlist 77. Sergei Dzinziruk Junior Middleweight 76. Yuriorkis Gamboa WBA Featheweight Titlist 75. Steven Lueveno Featherweight 74. Michael Katsidis Lightweight 73. Nehomar Cermeno Bantamweight 72. Edgar Sosa WBO Junior Flyweight Titlist 71. Sergio Martinez WBC Junior Middleweight Titlist 70. Takefumi Sakata Flyweight 69. Raul Garcia IBF Minimumweight Titlist 68. Andre Dirrell Super Middleweight 67. Joel Casamayor Lightweight 66. David Haye WBA Heavyweight Titlist 65. Denis Boytsov Heavyweight 64. Alexander Povetkin Heavyweight 63. Anthony Mundine Middleweight 62. Steve Molitor Junior Featherweight 61. Jean Pascal WBC Light Heavyweight Titlist 60. Alexander Munoz Junior Bantamweight 59. Carl Froch WBC Super Middleweight Titlist 58. Lucian Bute IBF Super Middleweight Titlist 57. Omar Navarez Flyweight 56. Ulises Solis Junior Flyweight 50. Denkaosan Kaovichit WBA Flyweight Titlist 49. Devon Alexander WBC Junior Welterweight Titlist 48. Cory Spinks IBF Junior Middleweight Titlist 47. Paul Malignaggi Junior Welterweight 46. Juan Diaz Junior Welterweight 45. Nate Campbell Junior Welterweight 44. Hugo Cazares WBA Junior Bantamweight Titlist 43. Jorge Linares Junior Lightweight 42. Amir Khan WBA Junior Welterweight Titlist 41. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Flyweight 40. Brian Viloria IBF Junior Flyweight Titlist 39. Robert Guerrero IBF Junior Lightweight Titlist 38. Anselmo Moreno WBA Bantamweight Titlist 37. Andre Berto WBC Welterweight Titlist 36. Poonsawat Kratingaenggym WBA Junior Featherweight Titlist 35. Roman Gonzales WBA Minimumweight Titlist 34. Steve Cunningham Cruiserweight 33. Humberto Soto Junior Lightweight 32. Joan Guzman Junior Lightweight 31. Tomasz Adamek World Cruiserweight Champion 30. Timothy Bradley WBO Junior Welterweight Titlist 29. Juan Manuel Lopez WBO Junior Featherweight Titlist 28. Juan Carlos Salgado Junior Lightweight 27. Daisuke Naito WBC Flyweight Titlist 26. Ricky Hatton Junior Welterweight 25. Edwin Valero WBC Lightweight Titlist 24. Joshua Clottey Welterweight 23. Antonio Margarito Welterweight 22. Vitali Klitschko WBC Heavyweight Titlist 21. Fernando Montiel Bantamweight 20. Wladimir Klitschko World Heavyweight Champion 19. Mikkel Kessler Super Middleweight 18. Glen Johnson Light Heavyweight 17. Chris John WBA Featherweight Titlist 16. Chad Dawson IBF Light Heavyweight Titlist 15. Kelly Pavlik World Middleweight Champion 14. Ivan Calderon World Junior Flyweight Champion 13. Arthur Abraham Super Middleweight 12. Hozumi Hasegawa WBC Bantamweight Titlist 11. Paul Williams Middleweight 10. Rafael Marquez Featherweight 9. Israel Vazquez Featherweight 8. Celestino Caballero IBF/WBA Junior Feathweight Titlist 7. Miguel Cotto Welterweight 6. Nonito Donaire WBA Junior Bantamweight Titlist 5. Juan Manuel Marquez World Lightweight Champion 4. Bernard Hopkins Light Heavyweight 3. Sugar Shane Mosley WBA Welterweight Titlist 2. Floyd Mayweather Welterweight 1. Manny Pacquiao World Junior Welterweight Champion / WBO Welterweight Titlist Let the debate begin.

With Antonio Tarver now on commentary for Showtime, he should after every fight only do interviews with the losers, so he can give them an expert's perspective and insight on what it's like to be a loser.

Let's all give this to Bob Arum, no one can deny he is VERY good at building stars, we can all agree on that. But don't make it so ****ing obvious that your Golden Boy might've just gotten exposed by flat out refusing a rematch with Rogers Mtagwa, as least bullshit by saying you'll think about it, or seeing what kind of interest there'll be to it, or if the money is right. THEN don't try to peak interest with fights NO ONE wants to see. We want Vazquez, Caballero, Gamboa, or Rafa. How can you expect fight fans, who have been clamoring for at least 3 of the 4 mentioned, to be satisfied by such a lame announcement of going after trinkets at Featherweight? Seriously, WTF?

Since I joined here in November of 2008, I've been delighted to find other people from all over the world as enthused about Boxing as I am. I enjoy the debates that are so frequent here, though there have been many times when I do not agree with anything that is said here (I seem to be in the minority concerning my opinion of Joe Calzaghe). But I thought it was important to quickly say how much more respect I have for each and every one of you who could easily have made a "CRIS ARREOLA CRIES LIKE A BITCH LOLOLOLOLOLOL" thread, but understood the emotion behind what we all witnessed. It makes me proud to be a part of a forum like this where, even if our opinions differ, the unanimous understanding of what kind of man it takes to charge forward courageously into a knockout machine, and tearfully apologize for letting the boxing world down is so open and appreciated. Thank you, MV

Will the replay be shown first, or will the heavyweight fight? Does anyone know?

JMM comes in at 142 pounds and looks massive. To me, it looks like he's done about as good a job as can be done coming up in weight for someone who is a natural Jr. Lightweight. How did he look to you? That definitely didn't strike me as the body of a counter-puncher though.

Mayweather-Hatton http://www.intentionalfoul.com/images/hattonko.jpg Pacquiao-Hatton http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc208/Nicktronic89/PacManHatton.jpg He landed on the Rockstar again. :lol1:

This man has let me down for the last time. Taylor was whooping Froch, he was comfortable and winning the fight, and he gassed out YET AGAIN. Super Middleweight was supposed to be a fresh start, a way to learn from past mistakes. I put my faith in him and he screwed me again. I'm done. I don't care what happens to him. I'm done.

Discuss tonight's match-up here.

Just out of sheer curiosity, how do all of you refer to the other nine divisions in boxing? Do you call it Junior Featherweight or Super Bantamweight? I ask this because personally one of my biggest pet peeves is that I can't stand to hear someone refer to a "Junior" division as "Super". I understand that technically "Super" would be the proper term because there is a division that is unanimously called Super Middleweight, but Super Welterweight to me doesn't sound nearly as... important if you will, as Junior Middleweight. Doesn't roll off the tongue as well, I guess. Probably over-thinking this, but oh well.

Just read Four Kings and am starting now on Sorcery at Caesar's, but I was wondering if any of you knew of some other good ones and maybe a quick description of them. It'd be very appreciated.

The one he's holding that looks like the Ring belt. Does anyone know? http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/image.php?u=47832&dateline=1235950487

Post all your comments about Tonights Showtime card here, gentlemen.

I thought this would be a fun game to play here. The rules are simple, I'm going to post a what if question that would have changed the history of the sport, you give an example of what the effect of that outcome would have had on boxing. After you answer it, give a what if question of your own when the next poster will answer. Example: Person A: What if Roy Jones beat Joe Calzaghe? Person B: Jones would've had a rematch with Hopkins and lost. What if Miguel Cotto had defeated Antonio Margarito? Person C: He would have met Oscar De La Hoya in December What if Evander Holyfield had won the Bowe-Holyfield Trilogy? Get it? I'll start: What if Felix Sturm had defeated Oscar De La Hoya?

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Updated: January 31, 2009, 1:32 AM ET Johansson knocked out Patterson STOCKHOLM, Sweden -- Ingemar Johansson, the Swede who stunned the boxing world by knocking out Floyd Patterson to win the heavyweight title in 1959, has died, a longtime friend said Saturday. Johansson was 76. Johansson died at a nursing home in Kungsbacka on the Swedish west coast, said Stig Caldeborn, a close friend who sparred with Johansson when they were in their teens. Caldeborn said he didn't know the cause of death but told The Associated Press that Johansson had recently returned to the nursing home after being hospitalized with pneumonia. Johansson's daughter, Maria Gregner, told Swedish news agency TT that the former champion died just before midnight Friday. Johansson was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and dementia more than 10 years ago, when he lived in Stockholm. He spent the rest of his life in Kungsbacka, only a few miles from the house where he grew up. Johansson knocked out Patterson in the third round at Yankee Stadium on June 26, 1959, to win the heavyweight title. He floored the American seven times in the third round before referee Ruby Goldstein stopped the fight 2:03 into it. Back home, hundreds of thousands of Swedes listened to the live radio broadcast at 3 a.m. as Johansson became only the fifth heavyweight champion born outside the United States. His feat earned him The Associated Press' Male Athlete of the Year in 1959, only the second Swede to win the award. Patterson avenged the upset loss a year later in the rematch in New York, knocking Johansson out in the fifth round. In March 1961, the Swede floored Patterson twice in Miami before being knocked out in the sixth round of the rubber match. Johansson had four more fights -- all wins, one of them a knockout of England's Dick Richardson for the European title in 1962 -- before retiring the following year. Johansson was married and divorced twice, and is also survived by five children. Funeral arrangements were not immediately announced. -------------------------------------------- The Boxing Fraternity loses another one, Rest in Peace.

He was robbed once again saturday night just because they were in his opponents hometown. If you watch the fight you can tell Emanuel is obviously just ****ing with the kid and not taking him seriously at all. Here's a guy with a record of 39-30-6 who has become more of a recognizable name than most of the world champions in boxing today (which is quite an accomplishment considering he's never been world champion and isn't undefeated). He wants to step his game up and try to win a title, but gets screwed out of a win time and time again because the judges don't want an up-and-comer to lose to someone they only see as a journeyman rather than award the decision to the real winner of the fight. I hope he wins a world title someday, he's far more entertaining than most of the champions today. He has all the skills and talent to be champion, he has decent speed and his unorthodox fighting style complements his superb ability to move away from punches. His trainer Roger Mayweather has said that his record would be much better if only he didn't take so many fights on short notice in the opponents hometown. I did find a nice video of Floyd Mayweather and James Toney giving props to him. With Floyd even admitting that he gave him a hell of a fight and one of his hardest ever, which means a lot coming from Floyd. What are your thought on him? Do you see talent or potential to win a belt or not? BTW, I'm Madvillain (I usually get MV for short) and it's really cool to be on a site where I can talk boxing so much for a change.