Kind of like 'who'd win between a lion and tiger?'..
Tyson the Lion or Benn the Tiger?
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I don't see how Hatton can be in the lb4lb ratings based on his last fight, isn't this supposed to be on current form??
He's won three world title fights in a row at two different weights, beat undisputed king of the best division in boxing ( at that time ) just one year ago, unified the title against a difficult guy then moved up and beat a southpaw in the states
Even if I don't agree with your list.
You can't have Wladimir Klitschko on a P4P list. He's the best Heavyweight, and that's not how this scale works.
Because if you actually think Wlad would beat a 6'6 Floyd Mayweather Jr with all the same skills and speed etc:
You're crazy.
Wladimir has schooled Sam Peter and Chris Byrd in his last couple fights dude, this is POUND FOR POUND afterall so heavies should have same consideration, otherwise it would be all minimumweights
Chris Eubank is the greatest fighter of all time.
Pleeeease tellme your joking! ! What the heck makes u say that? ? Eubank was an absolute joke, he lost more fights than he won but the WBO kept giving him gifts decisions because they knew they wouldn't exist without him. .
Guy was a disgrace to the sport, he pushed boxing to the gutter.
No I really don't. He beat a 40 year old MaCullum and Jirov. That's about it. Jirov is fairly impressive but it won't blow anyone out of the water. He was champion but the division was paper thin.
Jirov was real good pre Toney, watch a highlight reel or something
Why does everybody seem to place Castillo above Corrales on their pound-for-pound rankings? They're 1-1 and the fact that Castillo didn't make weight reflects badly upon him as a fighter.
Castillo knocked his ass out, and you are only as good as your last fight and all that. . .
Chris STILL has his haters :confused: Seems like your just taking a trip down memory lane. Read his autobiog, and you won't criticise the man again.
The truth of the matter is that a lot of the things he said about the game, most fighters felt it but wouldn't say it! And if it wasn't for Eubank, I daren't think where boxing would be right now. He single-handedly rose boxing's stock across the globe when the sport was dying. Say what you want about the man, but you can't deny that he got a lot of people interested in the fight game.
Cut the crap. We all know he was a mentally deranged attention whore with a funny voice, a fool who thought people were laughing with him when they were actually laughing at him. . . .
Fact is he lost to : Sherry, Watson (1st), Thornton, Benn (2nd), Rocchigini, Amaral, Schommer, Collins x 2, Calzaghe, Thompson x 2 and thats just for starters
That's a good point.
But the scale doesn't relate to heavyweights.
They're the supreme weight and if considered for P4P lists their size would create some sort of bias.
Because Klitschko is huge. These other guys are little guys, and if you would say: Wladimir Klitschko would beat Oscar De La Hoya in a fight, more than likely you'd be correct.
I dont think it has anything to do with head to head
Of course im kidding, im just humoring JuyJuy's homoerotic fantisies involving himself and Chris Eubank, with the occasional appereance of Nigel Benn.
Thank god for that
So you put Wladimir #4 in the P4P List for beating Samuel Peter and Chris Byrd (Who he had already beaten), Yet you dont have Floyd Mayweather as #1 P4P, and you have Pacquiao and Calzaghe before him? What a Joke, thats bein biased
Floyd just has not fought the best guys in his divisons in recent times, suffered a knockdown in his last fight from a guy who just lost to the average Carlos Baldomir
Benn was willing to fight guys like Andries and Harding because they were just like Barkley and DeWitt : stand up sluggers
I think Benn would of been too fast for those guys ( Andries, Harding ).
Your Fooling Yourself If You Think Benn Would Of Stopped Jeff Harding, Jeff Harding Was One Of The Toughest Men To Ever Lace Them Up-even Tougher Than Jeff Fenech. Look What Happened To Benn When He Landed His Bombs On Collins Only To See That Collins Wasn't Going Anywhere-benn Caved In Ala Tyson.
Benn against Collins was possibly even worse than Tyson against McBride, you fool, but yes Jeff Harding was tough and determined but would of struggled to win a round against a super slugger in Benn : if Benn couldn't knock him out he'd of atleast stopped him on cuts
JUY JUY, Remember when Schommer was ROBBED against eubank in the pros ??? That was terrible judging, Schommer clearly beat eubank by a landslide.
eubanks mate Jose Torres should of been shot for paying those judges.
JUY JUY you fool.
Your boy Eubank even admits that he wudnt beat Roy, here are exact quotes coming straight from Eubanks mouth
"I dont think i could of beaten Roy Jones unless i got my jab working from the opening bell as good as its ever worked, which is unlikely. He was just too fast, too fit, too fresh"
another one
"I doubt i could of beaten Roy Jones, unless he stood in front of me"
now this one is from Eubanks book
"People always ask me why i never fought Roy Jones. the reason is simple, Roy Jones was never my mandatory contender. if he had been my mandatory i would of fought him, i am a professional. I can say this about a Roy Jones fight: Roy Jones would of come out of the fight in bad shape, but i would of come out worse off!"
Richie very bravely came out for the last round against Keith Holmes with a dislocated shoulder because he was clearly winning the fight and only needed to last three mins before he was world champion. He was stopped due to shoulder not knocked out. Afterwards when everybody saw how judges actually had the fight scored, it was shocking and clear proof that Woodhall would of been on the end of terrible robbery. The american commentators even had Woodhall three or four rounds in front. Thats one of the reasons Calzaghe has'nt gone to america and i dont blame him.
What would wins against Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler or Danny Green prove ??? Everybody knows that those names were not close to Calzaghe's class and he would of got no credit for beating them, they are'nt any better than most of the guys Calzaghe has beat anyway. Although Kessler is improving. Beyer, you cant be serious he's terrible. Joe would of got far more respect for beating Roy Jones or Hopkins than going to GErmany and fighting Beyer for an abc belt. Agreed ???
Joe probably had even faster hands than Roy, and the difference between them is that Joe wanted to fight the best out there but was avoided while Roy did'nt want to fight the best out there and avoided them. BUT, i do think Roy would of beaten Joe and anybody out there for that matter but the thing is we'll never know and can only blame Roy for that. Both really good fighters though, both too fast and active for JUY JUY's boyfriend Eubank at any stage of eubank carerr, Although i do like Chris.
yeah that was a nice sd win over robin reid.
The grim reaper was a awesome fighter back then, i was a big Robin Reid fan.
He won the WBC belt in italy against the infamous moaner Vincenzo Nardiello when nobody gave him a chance, beat Henry Wharton when nobody gave him a chance, he had a awesome physique and never tired. Put full efforts into punches, he had alot of admirers and was a very good counter puncher back then. Joe Calzaghe fought him one handed for most of the fight and still beat him. Actually that hand is a big worry for Joe if he hits Lacy hard, his hand may go and he'd be in trouble.
I cant really think of anyone who Roy has fought who had faster hands than Richie Woodhall, and Richie's hands certainly were'nt as fast as Joe's. Roy beat Richie in the Olympic semi final and Calzaghe beat Richie in his last fight, when you assess those two fights (for what its worth) Roy's and Joe's speed of hand look about the same against Richie, maybe Joe's abit faster but who knows.
I wouldnt say Roy out boxed Toney, he out foxed him more like. When you out box somebody you trade with them, trade jabs, you dont run away. Sure Roy's style was effective though and thats why he used it.
What super middleweights has Joe missed fights with? Sven Ottke avoided him, theres no one else i can think of. There's Lacy and that fight is happening now. He's defended his belt against four former world champions, Charles Brewer, Robin Reid(prime), Richie Woodhall, Byron Mitchell, far better than the guys Roy defended his super middleweight belt against.
JUY JUY you fool.
Your boy Eubank even admits that he wudnt beat Roy, here are exact quotes coming straight from Eubanks mouth
"I dont think i could of beaten Roy Jones unless i got my jab working from the opening bell as good as its ever worked, which is unlikely. He was just too fast, too fit, too fresh"
another one
"I doubt i could of beaten Roy Jones, unless he stood in front of me"
now this one is from Eubanks book
"People always ask me why i never fought Roy Jones. the reason is simple, Roy Jones was never my mandatory contender. if he had been my mandatory i would of fought him, i am a professional. I can say this about a Roy Jones fight: Roy Jones would of come out of the fight in bad shape, but i would of come out worse off!"
No offense but Toney was hardly in fighting shape and his style was perfect for Roy anyway.
But the way Roy dominated him was impressive as hell and nobody else could of done that because nobody else had Roy's style.