Would Roy's fights have been different...

Well, I definitely had Roy Jones as the best fighter in the world until Tarver stopped him (who I predicted would beat Jones in the first fight), but everyone saw what happened when Tarver, in the 2nd fight, had no fear of Jones' blazing handspeed. He went in there and knocked him the fuck out. You can clearly tell Toney is afraid of Jones' handspeed the entire fight. Even Ruiz was afraid of Jones when he saw Roy was just too fast. What I'm saying is, I would toss my style aside if I was fighting Jones and pull a Sam Soliman, throwing punches from all angles and swarming Jones until I at least laid a few on him no matter what I got in return. Have you ever seen a Jones fight between 1998 and 2003 where the commentators didn't talk about how the opponent was fearful of letting his hands go because Roy was so fast? I haven't. Roy HATES pressure as we saw in many rounds of the fight against Hopkins, where Bernard just pinned him on the ropes and wailed away on him without fear of being hit back. Problem is, it was too late by then and let's be honest...Hopkins, a natural middleweight, had no chance of KOing Jones, who belonged at Light Heavyweight. Glen Johnson pressured Jones the entire fight. Manny Steward called it "amateurish", yet Johnson knocked Roy the fuck out after winning every single round. Go ahead and say Roy is out of his prime or whatever you wanna call it and I'll just go ahead and claim all my favorites are out of their prime when they lose. By the way, if Corrales loses to Castillo it's because he's out of his prime. But if he wins, he's back in his prime again, ok? ] If you can't tell the difference between a 90's Roy Jones and 2005 Roy Jones, then we don't need to talk. You don't think that people tried bullying Jones, the way Johnson did, to the ropes? He was too fast to get pinned somewhere. As his athletic ability detiorated it became easier to do so.

roy jones jnr was a average fighter but he is no mayweather!!

Michael Moorer, Roy Jones, Chris Byrd - all steroid junkies. You forgot Holyfield.

I think what Diego is trying to argue is that RJJ had his opponents beat before fighting them. They were already discouraged before lacing up the gloves, etc. Problem is, he would have been exposed before the Tarver fight. Not all 40+ fighters he fought before Tarver were intimidated. But it does seem like Tarver was the one who seemed genuinely confident in his ability to beat RJJ. Bingo. This is a perfect post

I think what Diego is trying to argue is that RJJ had his opponents beat before fighting them. They were already discouraged before lacing up the gloves, etc. Problem is, he would have been exposed before the Tarver fight. Not all 40+ fighters he fought before Tarver were intimidated. But it does seem like Tarver was the one who seemed genuinely confident in his ability to beat RJJ. didnt see it why?

Go ahead. Corrales may not be as talented as guys like Jones or Tyson, but he has way more heart than any one of those pussies ever could hope for.

you dont want me to start asking diego corrales questions, hahahahaha.

Well, I definitely had Roy Jones as the best fighter in the world until Tarver stopped him (who I predicted would beat Jones in the first fight), but everyone saw what happened when Tarver, in the 2nd fight, had no fear of Jones' blazing handspeed. He went in there and knocked him the fuck out. You can clearly tell Toney is afraid of Jones' handspeed the entire fight. Even Ruiz was afraid of Jones when he saw Roy was just too fast. What I'm saying is, I would toss my style aside if I was fighting Jones and pull a Sam Soliman, throwing punches from all angles and swarming Jones until I at least laid a few on him no matter what I got in return. Have you ever seen a Jones fight between 1998 and 2003 where the commentators didn't talk about how the opponent was fearful of letting his hands go because Roy was so fast? I haven't. Roy HATES pressure as we saw in many rounds of the fight against Hopkins, where Bernard just pinned him on the ropes and wailed away on him without fear of being hit back. Problem is, it was too late by then and let's be honest...Hopkins, a natural middleweight, had no chance of KOing Jones, who belonged at Light Heavyweight. Glen Johnson pressured Jones the entire fight. Manny Steward called it "amateurish", yet Johnson knocked Roy the fuck out after winning every single round. Go ahead and say Roy is out of his prime or whatever you wanna call it and I'll just go ahead and claim all my favorites are out of their prime when they lose. By the way, if Corrales loses to Castillo it's because he's out of his prime. But if he wins, he's back in his prime again, ok?

I think the reason americans hate Joe so much is probably jealousy, i cant think of anything else. Its mind boggling Maybe because he's accomplished next to nothing, yet is shoved down everyone's throats and glorified by nut huggers like you? Just a thought.

I think the reason americans hate Joe so much is probably jealousy, i cant think of anything else. Its mind boggling

What would wins against Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler or Danny Green prove ??? Everybody knows that those names were not close to Calzaghe's class and he would of got no credit for beating them, they are'nt any better than most of the guys Calzaghe has beat anyway. Although Kessler is improving. Beyer, you cant be serious he's terrible. Joe would of got far more respect for beating Roy Jones or Hopkins than going to Germany and fighting Beyer for an abc belt. Agreed ??? He avoided a long list of credible top ten oppostion in place of WBO "top ten opposition". Wins over those fighters would have VASTLY improved his resume as it exsists at present. The point is, he has a weak resume, and according to fans like you, it's everyone that's avoided him. I don't buy it for a second. He's a Frank Warren fighter who's been sheltered in his own back yard his entire career feeding off stiffs, washed up fighters, and fringe contenders. The fact he was mentioned in this same sentence as Roy Jones at several points in this tread is an insult and a joke.

What would wins against Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler or Danny Green prove ??? Everybody knows that those names were not close to Calzaghe's class and he would of got no credit for beating them, they are'nt any better than most of the guys Calzaghe has beat anyway. Although Kessler is improving. Beyer, you cant be serious he's terrible. Joe would of got far more respect for beating Roy Jones or Hopkins than going to GErmany and fighting Beyer for an abc belt. Agreed ???

Richie very bravely came out for the last round against Keith Holmes with a dislocated shoulder because he was clearly winning the fight and only needed to last three mins before he was world champion. He was stopped due to shoulder not knocked out. Afterwards when everybody saw how judges actually had the fight scored, it was shocking and clear proof that Woodhall would of been on the end of terrible robbery. The american commentators even had Woodhall three or four rounds in front. Thats one of the reasons Calzaghe has'nt gone to america and i dont blame him. Does that somehow change the fact he's been in the same divison his entire career and has managed to miss fighting a long list of credible contenders in place of stiffs? Does it make his poor resume any better?

3rd account, boozer. That's been exposed, Truprincess. Last time I saw you it was hating on Mayweather, the best fighter around at present. Now you've crawled out from under your rock to call one of the greatest fighters of the last generation a "sham". Your valuable imput has really been missed. It sure is a good thing you've come crawling back in hiding under so many new accounts. Isn't it funny how your ignorant drivel gives you away in less than 20 posts? :rofl:

Richie very bravely came out for the last round against Keith Holmes with a dislocated shoulder because he was clearly winning the fight and only needed to last three mins before he was world champion. He was stopped due to shoulder not knocked out. Afterwards when everybody saw how judges actually had the fight scored, it was shocking and clear proof that Woodhall would of been on the end of terrible robbery. The american commentators even had Woodhall three or four rounds in front. Thats one of the reasons Calzaghe has'nt gone to america and i dont blame him.

Your material is BORING, Boozer. Your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts were more boring. Yet here you are back with #5. :rolleyes:

yeah, I've heard that already. Anything else? Did you hear the one about the ignorant fuck who was banned several times but kept coming back in hiding? That's a good one.

He's defended his belt against four former world champions, Charles Brewer, Robin Reid(prime), Richie Woodhall, Byron Mitchell, far better than the guys Roy defended his super middleweight belt against. - Woodhall was knocked out by KEITH HOLMES prior to Calzahge getting to him - Ried was always a marginal fringe contender. Thulane Malinga beat him right before Calzaghe did, and got a wide UD. Calzaghe got a SD - Brewer was brutalized in 3 rounds by Antwon Echols right before he went 12 rounds with Calzaghe - Byron Mitchell was coming off a loss to Ottke, dropped Calzaghe, and then was the victem of a blatent and soft home town stoppage. What super middleweights has Joe missed fights with? When you look at Calzaghe's sub par resume over the last 8 years or so, you notice that he was at Supper Middleweight the entire time, yet managed to miss encounters Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green, Jeff Lacy (up until now). Ottke does count, because I don't buy that such a big fight was avaialable (like many others) and that it was completley Ottke's fault it didn't come off. I always get a list of excuses from Calzaghe's fans about why many of those fights didn't come off. And if it was once or twice I could see it. But when he spent the better portion of his career having fights not come off and missing countless opportunities to face better competition than he did, he loses the benifit of the doubt. There is no way those many match ups, plus dreamed of match ups like Jones, Hopkins, Clinton Woods, Glen Johnson ... all didn't come off and I'm supposed to buy that eveyone was ducking Calzaghe and not vice versa, ESPECIALLY when FRANK WARREN was his Manager. Doesn't fly.

in his prime, roy was untouchable and no one can compare to his natural gifts PBF34 sometimes you just can't win. Some people here are so blinded by their hatred towards RJJ that they fail to see how good he really was. It's clear these ppl have some sort of vendetta towards RJJ.

in his prime, roy was untouchable and no one can compare to his natural gifts