Alexander doubtful.
Bradley would turn out to be a war.
Khan would have outboxed him but eventually would have done the Chattanooga Choo-Choo once Hatton connected.
Maidana-another war.
He's talking about the Hatton from the Pacquiao fight, the one that looked half dead at the weigh in. All those fighters would have beat him the night he fought Pacquaio.
Hatton implied Pac was on PEDS after the Cotto fight on Sky
Don't ask me for a video, this is a very long time ago, it was when Floyd Snr said those things and Johnny Nelson, Hatton and Nicky Piper were in the studio and they asked Hatton on his thoughts on the matter and he said he agreed with Floyd Snr about many of his comments and that Pac should take the tests if he has nothing to hide.
Hatton thought that anyone with a bit of common sense thought then, you don't turn down a 50/50 split of the biggest fight in history over a few tests if you have nothing to hide. :boxing:
Pacquiao created his own **** storm refusing simple drug tests, that's when everyone thought there might be something to it.
C'mon guys we wouldn't even be talking about Wlad if they enforced the rules like they did back then. Would Wlad dominate like he does if he wasn't allowed to use holding every 10 secs as a defence? I don't think so, the guy is a fraud that cheats to win.
That's funny...because guys from your hemisphere tend to be the most casual, nationalistic FIGHTER fans on the planet....
On the other hand, American BOXING fans, will appreciate and support Greatness regardless of where they hail from...
Yep...keep clinging to those top British fighters, Benn and Eubank, as long as you can now...
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Against Froch?....I can't remember...but probably something with a message...like that "Written In The Stars" song that David Lemieux used...lol
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Tell that to Lennox Lewis.
actually thats true if your trained to fight you get in more trouble then the avg person surprised you dont know this
No doubt the judges punish people more harshly if they have been trained and start fights. But all that registering their hands etc is rubbish.
That's been exaggerated, Ortiz may have a strong punch but it didn't apply well in the middle of the ring, his straight left hand was average, he had to force you into the ropes to land his signature right hook, right uppercut combination because he couldn't land it so well in the middle of the ring. This is why Floyd kept moving to Ortiz's left.
When fighting someone who is a great boxer a big puncher will always have a better chance than a good boxer. It's more likely the puncher will catch them with a punch than the good boxer will outbox the great one.
Ortiz was competitive against Mayweather before he got sucker punched.
He was clearly losing but he had some moments
Bradley lost 12 rounds straight and was walking with a limp by the end of the match
Ortiz headbutted Mayweather because he was frustrated that he couldn't land anything clean. That was a sucker headbutt and he got what he deserved.
Bradley lost the first half of the fight but didn't get hit anywhere near the amount people make out, he adjusted and even with bad legs made the second half of the fight competitive.
Boxing isn't just about hitting (and Mayweather has higher % in total punches) but being hit as well and Mayweather is on a different level to Pacquiao in defense.
How can so many people duck a question.
What is the jab used for?
Why do compubox have a seperate category for jabs?
That would depend on the fighter, some fighters had/have jabs that do damage and hurt their opponents. Jabs a mostly used to break/weaken the defense and set up bigger shots.
What are body punches used for? To weaken the fighters stamina for the later rounds and/or make him drop his guard to set up bigger shots (like the jab) i guess we can discount them too.
Crikey!!! Surgeon's missed there mark 47.3% of the time no wonder surgery is so dangerous.
Throwing a hand full of wheat and 49.3% hits their target, impressive stuff.
You're so desperate to find something Pacquiao is better than Floyd at that you'll disregard probably the most important punch in boxing. Even with the deck stacked Pac leads by a measly 2%. LOL
He didn't last night, and even if he did, how would using the jab more offensively effect the accuracy of his power punches?
A good jab will cause a fighter to put up his defence for anything coming behind it thats how it effects the accuracy of his power punches.
I've discounted them for both fighters.
Mayweather uses the jab more offensively than Pacquiao because Pacquiao uses it as a distraction doesn't mean it isn't an effective punch for Mayweather. A good jab can stop a fighter in his tracks. You're taking away something in Mayweathers arsenal just because Pacquiao hasn't got the ability to use it the same way.
This thread is backed up with stats.
If you got a problem with it talk to compubox
And landing a combination is much more difficult to do than landing a single shot, you do you have difficulties understanding this?:alcoholic
No it isn't. You can't pick and choose what counts and what doesn't, compubox stats show Mayweather is more accurate.
Power punch category, Pacquiao was top when this thread was made just by using the compubox stats.
FACT
Deal with it.
And obviously the volume of punches, combinations being the aggressor are all things that would reduce accuracy.
But Pacquiao still tops Mayweather.
It time you accepted it.
http://compuboxonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fourth_page.jpg
Now he's not accept it. :dance:
I'm not discounting them, I just know they are used for, and that not always to hit the opponents, head or body, thus why they they can give a false reading for the total punch connects that compubox gives.
No they don't why should the fighter that uses the jab as an offensive tool be punished because others use it differently? Fighters feint with power punches too, use them to hit arms, the guard to open up chances just like the jab.
Thanks for proving my point :You_Rock_
Body punches that land, count as a hit for compubox, Jabs that are used for feints, range finders, blind the opponent, defense are counted as a miss, even though that is their job.
That is why I discounted them, that is why compubox separates them from other punches.
OK then Ibragimov beat Klitschko he landed twice as many power punches. LOL
D4 showed his evidence to support his conclusion.
Floyd fans, if you do not agree with D4, show your counter proofs using similar stats to show that Floyd is more accurate than Pac. If you do that, you win the argument. If you can't, you lose.
Whats there to prove it's well known fact that Mayweather is more accurate and has better defence? Head over to compubox and you'll find plenty of articles about Mayweathers stats being the best in compubox history.
He'd never even fought at 154 when he met Pac. In his previous fight 5 months before Pac he came in at 146 so there was only a 1lb difference for the Pac fight.
A fighter who is comfortable at 147 doesn't move up and then refuse to move back down for a massive payday unless he feels he's weaker at the weight.
A fighter (Pacquiao) that dominated an opponent (Cotto) and wants a rematch doesn't walk away unless he feels the opponent is a tougher fight at his new weight.
first of all im not like you who mouths off about things you havent got a clue...
second of all, say something no one already knows instead of copying other posts....
lastly, stop making sh1t excuses, if youre gonna make em, be a lil bit clever about it....
Copying others posts? Maybe they just see what is plain as day to see. Say something no one already knows? If you know that Cotto is better conditioned and stronger at 154 why the hell are you arguing that he was better at 147 (145)? Your reasoning that Cotto was better at 147 is that he achieved more, no **** Sherlock he had more fights there. Like i said go watch Cotto's fights instead of looking at boxrec.
I watched the fight again today and I stand by my score
Floyd was throwing punches like alil girl when Pac was changing the shot in midflight and did WAY more damage to Cotto
So you scored the fight on what Pacquiao did to Cotto compared to what Mayweather did, not on who won the rounds? ROFL
Idiots keep harping about weight.. Not knowing that Pac actually moved down in weight against Hatton and still demolished him.. And yet they still refuse to acknowledge that as a better win..lmao...Its like Pac is not susceptible to being drained while his opponents are.. Frankly speaking outside of the DLH fight, all those victories were not brought about by weight..
Pacquiao was around the same weight fight night as he was at 130 he gained one or two lbs (probably due to his head getting bigger. LOL). Moving up basically helped him because he didn't have to drain himself (just make others do it).
hahaha u call a weightwise threat to pac a better fighter?
dude hahahaha
LMAO.....dumbo
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If he can perform better than he did against Pacquiao at 145 yes that does mean he is a better fighter at 154. :dunce:
if you think a miguel cotto who was badly beaten twice is better than a cotto who was badly beaten once then you must be dumb...
What kind of BS is that? Watch his fights at 154 he fights for the full 12 rounds not the 8 rounds before gassing he did at 147. I don't have to think i see it with my own eyes.
pacquiao couldn't make 135 anymore?
he had 1 fight at 135.
he weighs the same fight night now as he did when he was at 130. he can make 135. he just doesn't want to.
cotto's frame is of a 140 fighter. reason he couldn't make 140 is because his ass wasn't discipline enough to keep his weight down.
That's what Roach said. Do you know better than pacquiao's trainer now? Just like you knew how Cotto felt at 145?
So hows pacquiao a blown up fighter? He hasn't added any weight. LOL
A blown up fighter is a fighter that puts on weight that he doesn't carry well. Like James Toney at HW.
dude cant even make 150 why make him go up to to 154?
are you that dumb?
If Cotto isn't a better fighter than he was at 147 what difference does it make? Pacquiao should be able to do the same as he did before unless it does make a difference and i'm right. LOL Stupid ******* owned yourself.
Pac has not fought at 130 lbs for 4 years. Now you want him to move down to 130 just you can prove your stupid analogy. When Cotto fought Pacquiao, Cotto was still a WW. When Hatton fought Malignaggi, he was still a LWW..
In any case, your argument is getting weaker...lol
Like i said in a previous post Hatton tried to move up and struggled against an average WW. He had nowhere to go, he moved back down went life and death with Urango fought a shot Castillo and then went for the money fight with Mayweather, went back down almost got KO'd by a journeyman in Lazcano and then chose to fight feather fisted Malignaggi hardly impressive.