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I didn't say "They have the same accolades" I said Judah has a similar accolade to what you used, and said "How can a fighter be overrated and have this accolade" Well, it's possible. I'm sure there's more. Who cares if all his belts were taken? Belts are handed out these days. Why are you taking it so offensively. I think Bradley is overrated by people like yourself who say he's more skilled Pacquaio and is some sort of overly skilled fighter. I don't see that. Is he a good fighter? Yes. Is he P4P quality? Yes. I just don't think he's as good as you think he is. Sorry is that offends you. I think Mayweather is overrated aswell by some people. Doesn't mean I think he's not very good. You're acting that if I say Bradley is overrated it means I think he's terrible. A big difference between Bradley and the likes of Judah and Ortiz is, Bradley is a winner and overachiever. Judah's actually had himself a very nice career, still underachieved. Ortiz loses more than he wins at top 10 level.

He did, but it wasn't vintage Pacquiao as Mosley made it awkward for him by boxing off the backfoot. It's clear MP fares much better when opponents bring the fight to him. Mosley turned into a runner for one night, never happened before or after. Nobody looks good against a runner. But it's not a winning tactic, esp the way Mosley implemented it. Pac also had every reason to be wary of Mosley's power though, unlike with JMM 4 lol.

I can see your POV, but what I would say is that even old Mosley made Pac look bad by turning him into the hunter and making him chase the fight. I don't get this one. How did Mosley make Pac look bad by disgracing himself? Pac had a dominant showing anyway you look.

lopsided enough for 2 out of 3 highly competent and well trained boxing judges to pick Bradley as the new WBO welterweight champion of the world two of the very best boxing judges in game today if not all time disagree with Exactly, as long as you have 2 respected judges calling it one way, no robbery. Same with Rios Abril, when will Rios get his rightful credit?

Yeah I agree Manny would have always beat Hatton just he got a fcked up version and it was way easier . So your got no answer , you still running from my other question to you where I asked you was Cotto and Margo drained against Manny , lol your between a rock and hard place with that one eh lol Dude I already told you, they weren't. You just admitted you got stuck on line 2, and still stuck despite me giving you a friendly push. Take your time, it'll sink in. And let me just preempt you, there's no law of nature that says, if Cotto and Marg are not drained at a CW, Canelo will not be. It's not in the Bible either,, prove me wrong. He may or may not be, one nothing to do with the other. Hell he could fight twice at a CW, and be drained only once. Blows your mind, doesn't it? Adults have to deal with stuff like this all the time, it's physiology, not checkers.

It would be very hard to drain a bigger guy when your taking less weight from him wouldnt it now , I mean forget everything else just pure human physiology , I mean common sense would tell you 2 lb to a 154 fighter thats 170 on fight night would be far less consequence than 2 pound from a 147 fighter and 4 pound from Margo . Mate if we were in a court of law I would skin you alive on the crap your trying to spin , you cant even face whats real because its against your hate even though you know deep inside your wrong , thats youth kid ! whatever you say bud. i'll explain everything once again tomorrow, maybe i'll get some pictures to help along. Good spirit though

Where you going now , Hatton weighhed 153 against KT he weighed 152 against Floyd who was 151 , Hatton was not going up in real weight only on the paperwork , that was our debate you lose ! The Hatton that fought Floyd would have blown most 140s out of the water , your too busy trying to hate Floyd that you dont see how good he is . Ok I guess you'll have to stare at it some more then, i'll check back with you tomorrow to see if it sunk in. I'm way past my reloaded quota for the day, and here's a reminder why it was put in place.

So is the ptard flmo war starting over but this time canelo is the ptard proxy? no proxy needed, it's mostly original money material that's getting the laughs

And thats why Floyd went for the 154 title , Cotto is not a full blown JMM and neither is Oscar , and neither was Margo they were all smaller fighters that got some middle age spread so to speak , Canelo is a full JMW and Floyds is a WW and not a big WW at that . So he'll concede 154 to a guy who's best off at 147-150 and brag about wanting his opponent comfortable, but a full blown guy will need to drop a few extra. Self preservation over opponent comfort + not looking like a hypocrite + not disrespecting the belt. I got a brilliant idea, maybe he can fight Berto for a vacant belt at full 160 then. You know the fcuker Berto blows up in between fights, Floyd wouldn't want him uncomfortable.

:dance::dance::dance: uhh, just as i said that. He seemed sincere in his disappointment over Floyd Canelo, lets see if sticks

These "I hate "insert name" boxer threads need to end. Why man, it's only been a couple of weeks since the CW rumors broke. We've had several threads per day of hate threads for similar offenses, for years. Why is now the time to stop?

You lose again , spend some time spinning you hate in front of a mirror , you will spot the bullsh1ter real easy ! it's nice living in the world of checkers, it comes with sugar and a lemonade maker. No lemon is too sour

Why ask Cotto to fight at a catch-weight, then fight Clottey at 147lbs? Clottey is a bigger welterweight than Cotto. Answer - See Horus's first post in this thread. Now, fight Margarito at a catch-weight for another title. I wonder what they are trying do. I know. Answer - See Horus's first post in this thread. Manny and his team are good at shaping a argument or a lot of people are just ignorant. Answer - The latter Ouch, And yesterday I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Now CWs don't sound so bad, even after you've won 2 belts are the weight :lol1:

Yep the same way Hatton went to 147 to fight Floyd when they both come in the ring at 151-153 on fight night just like the average JWW does , but you idiots was on about Hatton moving up , he didnt his trainer even said publicly Floyd is smaller than Ricky on fight night , in reality it was 2 JWWs fighting for a WW title . Remember Manny ducking Foreman saying he was too big , only to fight a WW at 150 for 154 title , you got nothing to crow about kid , your loser is now fighting a B grade 140 pounder coming of 2 loses , Floyd is fighting a undefeated JMW in the biggest fight that can be made right now so I guess you lose again . Now if you think Canelo will be drained being 152 then it must mean Cotto and Margo were 100% drained because they are smaller than Canelo but were forced to lose more weight . You got nothing kid . I got no problem with Hatton at 147. But it's pretty clear Hatton was more of a handful at 140, and wasn't really champ caliber at 147. Still better than Tata or Sharmba, I'll give you that. Maybe even Ortiz and Guerrero, hard to tell, but that caliber of welter. Hey if Floyd decides to duck a featherfisted paper champ in his 8th division, like Cleverly for example, I'd have no issues with that. But who re we kidding, it's even questionable if he'll fight at his 5th divisonal limit, like the champ he's supposed to be. Whether Marg or Cotto were drained says nothing about whether Canelo will be drained. Neither Cotto nor Marg were, there's no telling if Canelo will be until we see it. Sorry the world is too complex for your cartoon mind.

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I only read the first 2 lines , YOU JUST DONT GET IT , the Hatton that fought Floyd weighed the same as he did beating Kostya , and Floyd was a pound lighter , you obviously dont understand the difference between weigh-in and fight night weight , what are you on about when you say the 140 version was more of a handful , it was the same version Floyd fought , for crying out loud 2 JWWs fighting for a WW belt , all they did was not do any drying out to make weight !!!!!!!! Ok I'll go slow: Hatton may have been the same guy, but that goes a longer way against 140ers. Hell, it would possibly go a longer way against Floyd at 140 at the time, no way to tell. For example, match Floyd at 140 right now vs Matthysse, and you'll be ****ting bricks. Hell, match him vs JMM right now at 138 or even 140, and I bet the house on JMM by KO. All with a 10m/lb overweight penalty of course. That should get you ready for line 3.

Thoughts on this 15 or so months later? It's a good question, he's on a lousy 4 fight streak, for a p4per. I think none of these 4 woulda been top 50 (maybe even 100?) ranked p4p. Only 2 of them were top 10 divisionally, and not necessarily very strong contenders. Though it was slim pickings at 160

People saying the worst robbery ever, are delusional. Rios-Abril and Lara-Williams were much worse even. With that said, Pac clearly won to me. I had it 117-111 Pac. Could see it 116-112 if the close rounds went to Bradley or 118-110 if the close rounds were given to Pac. Lara Williams wasn't worse. PWill outworked Lara much more than Bradley vs Pac, and won 4 rounds.

Since your'e so well knowledged on Manny Pacquiaos contract with Top Rank, can you please state how much % he gets from PPV revenue? Also, please tell me how much % of his money goes to Top Rank after all is said and done. I believe it's 30%. On top of that, he has to pay taxes and trainer fees. So let's say according to you and you're knowledge of Pacquiaos contract (since you've seen it first hand) he's somehow making $20 million from this fight. Pacquiao will not even see 50% of that so that's $10 MILLION. Now compare that to $40 MILLION, NON TAXED, that Mayweather offered, including 20 Million to be wired to his personal account in 24 hours. have a good day. 50/50 guys, it's only fair. This is a$$ backwards. He'll have to pay whatever taxes either way. The catch is, Mayweather's offer is still subject to Arum's cut. When the guarantee comes from Arum, the promoter already got his. So in reality, Floyd's offer is a small bump (~ 15%) from his usual earnings.

If it is a legal loophole, I'm wondering why "Money" isn't doing it as well. Seems like he'd save a lot more money from Uncle Sam since he's always *****ing about taxes raping him. It's no secret that most rich people work hard to understate their earnings. Floyd on the other hand want the whole world to know he made $20m against the Big Show.

Those numbers look poor for a flagship fight in prime time. Seems like a major drop?

He mentioned Calzaghe when he was still an active fighter, yes. He mentioned him after the Jermain Taylor fight because he'd been retired about 6 months. Not 6 years. And he barely mentioned him since as he was too busy fighting top level opponents back-to-back. They had a little Twatter banter recently but that was it. This was an official response to ESPN.com by Team Golovkin. Not the same at all. Of course its different. Itd be similar if retired Calzaghe started calling out Froch. Oscars name didnt cross Loefflers lips till Hoya said wanted Ggg as a comeback fight

lol....spot on Damn man, didn't you spend years tearing into Pac over CWs? And here you are cheering on a CW 10x worse than Pac's lol

i don't see how that offer could be legit. cotto got 40 million but most of that money is not from his fight purses. he only made 2 million vs geale and ward reportedly made around 1 million for the smith fight. i don't think broner does anything outside the ring except steal old lady's purses but that's not a great money making venture unless she just withdrew her life savings. Ward made $2m. Thats why the premium networks wouldnt touch it.

If you've got one fight left at the end of a glittering nearly two decade career aged 38, as the undisputed greatest of your era, it does. When one of the best names on your resume is Geale, we've got a problem. Its the opposite dumba$$. Why would you want to end an atg career with a disgrace of a fight, if thats what dlh is? Its not like Floyd needs a popularity bump, unlike ggg whod get a huge one and would be instant ppv, and then finalky the risk/reward works out for gis rivals

Looooool. You GGG fanboys are nuts. Floyd's legacy is already cemented. How is someone as accomplished as he is taking on a disgrace of a fight (as his last) worse than a 33 year old with a couple of prime years left (with Daniel freaking Geale as his best win) taking on this disgrace of a fight? Jeeez!!! You guys are freaking hilarious. I just explained dumb****. What was unclear? So Floyd wants to end his career in a disgraceful fashion? Some would say fitting. Ggg fights 4x a year, if one of those is a star making ppv, no reason to cry

You mean the same Sam Peter that got schooled by James Toney in their first fight? The same Sam Peter that was getting rocked by Maskaev, same Sam Peter that was getting dropped and went life and death with Jameel McCline? As bad as Smith was, he's levels ahead of a guy that got schooled by James Toney lmao. You mean levels below? Peter was top 10 for years, #2 when he fought Vitali. Smith hasnt come close to top 10 ever, hes domestic level.

How does this Golovkin kid still have fans? Not many among sorry alts, but that hasnt changed much

No different than people that claim to be religious then sin every chance they get when the spot light isn't on them. Like many have already stated, PED use is rampant in professional sports. Certain boxers shouldn't get a pass just because it fits a particular agenda. There's that, but that's pretty common. At least you get off. This other one is pettier. You mix that with PED use and its toxic

usada is a joke.no one takes them seriously.watch the stupid fl0mos run away from this.LOL at john molina he was right. It's a total sham but no surprise there, they're the exclusive test agency of #1 PED suspect Mayweather