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NSAC rules list the things you CAN'T take. They don't make a list of things you CAN take Uh yes they do, see above.

You claimed her statement was including the cream and the clear. It's obvious that she didn't mean that. Testosterone and epitestosterone is the cream of the cream and the clear. Its the most widely used method of beating that test. That her lab has caught only one person using it says more than any other statement. If her lab cant catch more than 1 person then its not easy to catch no matter what other bull**** she says.

Hahahahaha!! Your funny. But glad you are not cussing!! I cuss more when I'm on relief shift at work with nothing to do, so **** you.

It's very sad that in the internet age, facts and logic are valued so little. It is indisputable fact that IV rehydration is 100% legal under NSAC rules. Yet you cant post the ****ing rule! Are you saying that the NSAC simply forgot to add it to the exempt list? Shut the **** up!

Yea it doesnt matter how he takes the saline and vitamins, all that matters is that its not a banned substance(which it isnt), he was granted a TUE and notified usada prior and after the use of it. So tell me , what is the big issue with floyd using this IV? Yes it matters how you take it. There are banned substances and banned procedures. Oxygen is not a banned substance but if you oxygenate your blood and inject it back in, blood doping, that is cheating. I'm sorry you are simply ignorant and stupid which is a bad combination.

Claim Not it's not. Support USADA was the official body to oversee drug testing for the Mayweather and Pacquiao bout. This was told to the public prior to the May vs Pac bout, and particularly important because that's what Top Rank FINALLY agreed to. NOW, the NSAC has its general rules and it's rules as commission to do DRUG TESTING, but because they were NOT OVERSEEING DRUG TESTING, why would the NSAC even challenge an organization about their protocols when they themselves are acknowledging that USADA is more accredited? This is why the NSAC had no interest in these stupid story by Hauser. lol It kind of sucks when you can't find banned substances innit! :popcorn: What is Hauser even doing nowadays? Noting in the above diatribe supports the original claim. Its just run on bull****.

You make it seem like she is attacking the testers that did those tests. She is explaining what she thinks happened based on her expertise. She never attacks and never says their findings are wrong. If anything, she says otherwise she has been proven a liar for her beliefs. She is covering for WADA labs failing to catch Armstrong by making false statements bout EPO testing. She did the same damn thing in the article you posted about UFC and epitestosterone. If its so easy to catch you would think that they would have caught more than one person.

You said "the dco diagnosed Floyd's condition". Admit that was a stupid thing to say. Observing a condition and concluding that it participates the need for an IV is called diagnosing you dip****. What has happened to our educational system. You morons dont know the meaning of words. Did you miss this tidbit too. Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO, who was made aware of the need for the IV due to Mr. Mayweather’s physical condition It does not say made aware of by the paramedic, not made aware of by some unnamed physician, it says made aware of due to Mr. Mayweather's physical condition. The word for that is a diagnosis you absolute ****ing moron! And the truth is that none of this actually happened. The original leaks are the most likely truth. The DCO found the needle marks relayed that to his bosses and his bosses did nothing. Word spread within USADA the executives feared another leak like happened in the Morales case so they had Froid file a retroactive TUE and they rubber stamped it. That is picture the original leaks painted and that is what really happened.

Floyd isn't a doctor. What was his physicians diagnosis? There was no physician remember. The official story is that it was an EMT. An unnamed EMT from an unnamed paramedics service. Now I'm not saying that is not possible. Sin City has many 'no questions asked' paramedics services that cater to the rich and famous to cover up their drug overdoses, gun shot wounds, etc. That might be one of the reasons we have yet to hear what the name of the service was.

Lol. Yeah man rehydration protocols first have patients test the amount of water lost before administering. A kid passes out on the field from track practice. Doctors view signs, yes signs of dehydration, aside from measuring water weight, to decide... "well the kid was in fact dehydrated because we actually measured his body weight to the water we believe he lost..." lol Sit down son. Ez. #48! So you are saying Froid passed out at his house?

This is not how you define severe dehydration. Uh yes it is you moron. Even though the majority of cases of dehydration can be treated via oral consumption, IV treatment of severe dehydration (>7% body weight loss), exertional heat illness, nausea, emesis, or diarrhea, and in those who cannot ingest oral fluids for other reasons, is clinically indicated.2,3,7,23,68 Otherwise, as the American College of Sports Medicine consensus guidelines state, "IV fluids do not provide an advantage over drinking oral fluids and electrolytes."

Dr. Christiane Ayotte -- Head of at least 1 WADA accredited laboratory. What do you expect here to say? 'Our test is easily beaten.' She proved it herself when she said that they had caught only one person masking test with epitest. That is the cream and the clear its the most common doping protocol used to beat the test. If it was so easy to detect they should have caught more than one guy dont you think?

:wave: Freddie Roach can and has been wrong. He thought Pascal stood a chance against Kovalev. Other people are not like you. Just because I think Froid cheated, and like pac as a fighter, does not mean that I have to worship the ground that Roach walks on. Its not the same. Just because you worship Froid does not mean that those who disagree with you worship Pac or Roach. You see you are ****ed in the head so you think that the other side thinks like you do. IV's are not in the NSAC's list of approved medications or injections. It is cheating to artificially rehydrate yourself after the weigh-in. There is reason we limit the amount of time between the weigh-in and the fight. Its to limit the amount that fighters can rehydrate.

You refuse to answer why Landis won't throw USADA under the bus when he has come clean. You refuse to explain how this amounts to reasonable doubt. If you can come up with a reasonable explanation of who was tipping of the US team I'd be glad to hear it. You aren't even in flying spaghetti monster land here. There is no possible alternative explanation much less a reasonable one.

In other words if in theory Floyd juiced and Pac juiced, and this is how Floyd knew it would be the only way for a fair fight, then it wouldn't it make more sense not to fight Pac? Or even funnier, Floyd knew with or without the juice he'd still beat Pac? Why would Pac walk away from 40 million. Why would Froid have to come off the juice? We already know from Landis testimony to the LA federal prosecutor that USADA will and has tipped of athletes on when the testers are coming.

What's the definition of blood doping? Classic blood doping is either infusing blood with oxygen and injecting it back in, injecting extra blood extracted and stored previously, or most often both. Under your interpenetration of the rules blood doping is legal because oxygen and/or your own blood are not drugs. But we know you are wrong and stupid because IV re-hydration and blood doping are both cheating for the same reason. Its an artificial way to increase your body's capacity to hold an essential nutrient that improves performance. This is especially true in weight classification sports like boxing as the practice allows competitors to re-hydrate to a degree not physically possible in the time between weigh-in and competition.

Lots of twisting and turning...and epic fail. Okay you got me. The origional press release made it sound like they were implementing a stroid testing program on 2014. However, they did have a minor testing program that checked for easily detectable testosterone like steroids like D-bol which leave behind easily detectable metabolites in the urine. They did not however have a more complex testing protocol to catch TRT until 2014. So your original claim that their urine tests amount to a control group is still false. In fact the study itself brought up numerous questions about testosterone use amongst players because of the results. "On February 2, 2012, U.S. federal prosecutors officially dropped their criminal investigation with no charges." No **** they passed of the information to USADA. Seriously shut the **** up. "The study does not accurately follow the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) guidelines, and therefore its relevance to the ABP is not entirely clear." http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-and-uci-respond-to-french-biological-passport-report/ What do you expect WADA to say? 'Yeah our ABP is a joke?' You keep confusing hyperbolic statements with fact. In what way did the study not follow the guidelines? WADA does not say. WADA is being intentionally vague. That is a sign of deception. Maybe there are some differences but they are most likely insignificant which is why WADA is not being specific. Until WADA gives some specifics their claim is meaningless hyperbole . “I don’t want to take any credit and I don’t want to be penalized for any result or any outcome that might happen, before or after the fight, when I’m not involved and I’m not working with Floyd,” Heredia said via Fighthype.com. “If he wanted to do it , it’s too late already. It is already four weeks away. I’m not going to take a chance at that.” - Heredia Wow more hyperbole. What do you really expect Heredia to say? 'Yeah I'm cooking AAS for Froid?' "There’s one significant correction in it that I accept. Prior to USADA’s September 17 statement, it was widely believed that its doping control officer went to Mayweather’s Las Vegas home to conduct an unannounced drug test and found evidence of an IV being administered to Mayweather. USADA maintains – and I will accept - that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO.”" More hyperbole, where is the actual statement from the DCO? Have we seen it yet? Nope just hyperbole from USADA with no supporting evidence. "...just last month, a study on the steroid profile of 4,195 male football players in UEFA competition was published. The results showed T/E ratios varied between 0.02 and 8.6 with roughly one-third of players showing a T/E ratio less than or equal to 0.9. Mayweather’s T/E ratio was low, slightly below average but is it so low as to allow us to draw the conclusions Mr. Hauser is suggesting?" http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-hauser-and-the-pursuit-of-floyd-mayweather/ Again they were not testing for testosterone so the league is not a controlled sample. If anything the results show that many were doping. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/11878571/UEFA-denies-doping-epidemic-claims-after-study-finds-high-levels-of-testosterone-in-dozens-of-players.html http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/17924-testosterone-filled-uefa-says-there-is-no-problem-with-doping http://iriefm.net/uefa-doping-studies-reveals-frightening-levels-of-testosterone/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/uefa-play-down-doping-fears-6480400 http://www.reuters.com/article/doping-soccer-idUSL5N11P0M620150919 There are litterally dozens of analysis of this study that all come to the same conclusion. There is mass testosterone doping in the UEFA. So you claim that the stuyd shows what is normal is absolute bull****. "Pacquiao will no longer appeal case to NSAC" http://www.minibalita.com/reader/32070/2/Pacquiao-will-no-longer-appeal-case-to-NSAC That is proof of what? USADA Responds to Hauser http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/USADAs-Detailed-Correction-to-SB-Nation-Article-by-Tom-Hauser.pdf Again only one statement that had a possibility to be verified. And it was false. The reported date of when this conversation occurred is inaccurate. USADA informed NYSAC Chairwoman Melvina Lathan of the A sample positive, by phone, on October 17, 2012, the day prior to the publication of the Halestorm Sports story. The timing of this conversation is supported by public comments made by Richard Schaefer on October 18, 2012 (see http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=58332#ixz z29hgz0vCS and http://www.si.com/boxing/counter- punch/2012/10/19/morales-tests-positive-for-banned-substance- prior-to-bout-with-garcia?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp). Too bad the NYSAC said bull****! On August 10, 2015, Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.” The only statement in USADA's entire bull**** response that could be independently verified and it proved to be false. False in one false in all. USADA's entire response is worthless. Do you still want more? You're done, son. I've embarrassed you continuously. Tuck your tail and never return. How many times do we have to go through this. YOu keep hanging your hat on USADA's bull**** response. Where is USADA's evidence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

IV is allowed in Nevada. Confirmed by Nevada. Yet you still can't cite the ****ing rule that says so. All you can do is repeat the lie that you are a promoter and your lawyers have told you blah blah blah. Shut the **** up! Cite the actual rule. You will notice that we going on a year removed and NSAC still has not added IV re-hydration to the approved list. Why? Well because it is still a major issue in more sports than boxing. UFC has come down hard on IV re-hydration. If the NSAC added it to the allowed list then they would be undercutting the UFC. So we are stuck in this contradictory universe where the NSAC "says" that Mayweather didn't break the rules but still haven't clarified that in the rules because the UFC doesn't want it legal.

vitamins and banned substances are the same thing!! Injections that are not approved are banned. IV re-hydration is not on the NSAC's list of approved medications or injections. because you say so and Hauser proved Floyd wasn't dehydrated! Oh I agree. He was using them to mask PEDs. But they are still banned for the reason stated. It doesn't really matter what Froids real reason for taking the IV was. It still banned for a very simple reason. In a weight classification sport using IVs to rehydrate is cheating. Dont you get it. Weather he used the IV to mask PEDs or to re-hydrate it was cheating. No matter how you slice it or excuse you give Froid cheated.

you are falling for transvestitenies trick again of running around in circles to confuse you till you make another mistake There is nothing wrong with admitting an error in a debate. It shows honesty. In real debates I will frequently make inconsequential errors on purpose and then correct them. In this case the original press release was poorly worded and made it sound like they had no AAS testing policy when they didn't have a testosterone testing policy. So I didn't really make a mistake the UAEF did with a badly worded press release.

But the FACTS are IV METHOD WAS NOT BANNED UNDER NSAC. Oh yes they are. "PROHIBITED ACTS; NAC 467.850; Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections; urinalysis or chemical tests; disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030) 1.The administration of or use of any: (a)Alcohol (b)Stimulant; or (c)Drug or injection that has not been approved by the Commission" Any injection is banned if it is not on the approved list. IV saline is not on the list. We know that the NSAC said its okay but the NSAC has 0 credibility. Its regarded as the most corrupt state athletic association in the wold. We are over a year out from Froid's IV and the NSAC, despite saying the IV re-hydration is legal, has yet to add it to the approved list. Why? Simple answer Dana White and the UFC are cracking down on IV re-hydration. If the NSAC were to add it to the approved list that would be undercutting the UFC. So we have the NSAC saying one thing for Froid and another for the UFC because all the NSAC cares about is $$$$. The true official stance of the NSAC is that IV re-hydration is only legal for Froid.

Shifting the burden of proof. Those claims are all claims made by USADA. Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat. The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim not he who denies it. Its up to USADA to prove the claims it made. In their entire response USADA made only one claim that could be independently verified, when they contacted the NYSAC. The NYSAC said their claim was bull****.

All statements are all lies A statement made by someone who has lied in the past under the same circumstances should be assumed to be a lie. When a WADA lab failed to catch Armstrong's EPO abuse she came out and lied to cover for the lab. When WADA labs failed to catch athletes masking testosterone with epitestosterone she came out and lied again to cover for the lab.

The "exempt list" is the *DRUGS* that they allow. The list is titled medication or injections. Saline nasal spray is on the list. Saline is not a drug. Blood doping is just oxygen. Oxygen is not a drug. Why is it banned? Do you think they just forgot to add IV rehydration to the exempt list?

Um, no, the FACT is that the TUE was approved. This is a fact. What do you have? What does the TUE being approved have to do have to do with the TUE not being rubber stamped? The accusation that the TUE was rubber stamped takes the TUE being approved as a given. So the existances of the TUE is proof of nothing. It's stupid to you because you are an idiot. Did you or did you not say controlling authorities are not mandatory. Then we have WADA saying the ISTUE is mandatory. How do you reconcile that? You still haven't explained. Mandatory - It must be done this way, no exceptions. Controlling - It should be done this way except in exceptional circumstances. The ISTUE is mandatory. The medical reviews are controlling. WADA actually states why the review is not mandatory in the next sentence whey you omitted. The literature is always evolving and never fully comprehensive. Now the onus is on team Froid to show why Froid's dehydration was an exceptional circumstance that put it beyond the scope of the medical review. The question is if something is not mandatory, can it be controlling. Asked and answered. You owned yourself. While it may be called mandatory school attendance is not truly mandatory, exceptional circumstances can exempt one form the requirement.

No i think you are ignorant and trying to prove something that isnt true. Nothing done was illegal , floyd was granted the TUE. Everything was clarified and nothing against the rules was done. But dont take it from me, ill give you USADAS official statement regarding everything What do you think USADA is going to say? Yeah Froid opened the door for us into boxing and paid us a lot of money so we gave him a TUE as a payoff? Lets see that WADA which sets USADA's rules actually says about IV re-hydration and the granting of TUEs. The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion. (Ref: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16) Hmm so WADA says that IV fluid administration is not an accepted method of re-hydration. Lets see what they say about "retroactive TUEs" In situations of medical emergency or clinical time constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3). Where was the medial emergency or time constraint? If he was that dehydrated he shouldn't have been fighting period. Why does WADA prohibit IV infusions IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes could use this Prohibited Method to: a) increase their plasma volume levels; b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance; c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport. In sports with weight classifications, athletes may be encouraged to undertake significant, accelerated weight loss to qualify for a competition and then use IV infusion to rapidly rehydrate. This practice invokes issues of athlete health and safety. Hauser challenged USADA on all of this in his response to their response. USADA didn't say **** back!

No im saying "severe dehydration" exactly = ".0000i7363hsjj6syh33" it has to be exactly that in the medical books. Just like a stab wound only = .8376 cm wide... You understand that WADA is referencing medical journals. Medical conditions are objective not subjective.

Seriously though, you can't win this. You are right about that. You are arguing that artificially increasing the body's ability to re-hydrate in a weight classification sport is not cheating. That isn't an argument you can't win because its not true. It most certainly is cheating which is why the UFC has come down hard on the practice and the NSAC despite covering for Froid still hasn't added it to the approved list and never will. Actioins speak lowder than words. Has the NSAC added IV re-hydration to the approved list? No. Will they ever add it to the list? No. Why not? Because it is cheating.

We have to be lenient with these few last remaining Pac extremist , they are very young and not very smart they are drowning in their own hate , they were conned by Manny and for such young people its very hard for them to except the crumbling of their hero , guys go easy on them the Pac fanboys are mentally fragile . Oh look reoloaded is talking to his alt again. Hey remember when you forgot to log off of Zaroku and ended up quoting yourself? How funny was that? I still got it bookmarked.

. You were trying to prove that since oral rehydration is adequate, it can not be allowed for rehydration purposes. That is correct. There is a viable allowed alternative. Now can you show some oddball cirmstance where this is not the case? The answer is no. I simply made it clear that is not the case because it is covered by the ISTUE and as such, it can be justified by the athlete/a medical practitioner. Do you understand now? And how was it justified? Froid simply said the had dark urine. Neither Froid or USADA has presented a single statement or piece of evidence to suggust taht Froid somehow falls outside of the 13 medical references WADA cited in its conclusion that IV-rehydration for mild to moderate dehydration is not medically substantiated. Your constant assertions that it is possible with no evidence is not an argument. It is possible that the earth was created by a giant spegetti monster too. Have you figured out what Mandatory means yet? Perhaps it wasn't Mandatory for you to go to school. This explains your current condition, it seems. As I said you moron of course they are not mandatory. A person could conceivably have a rare condition and be unable to receive treatment if they were mandatory. But as the controlling authority on specific substances and procedures you damn well better be able to show some extremely credible and extreme reason why the medical review is not accurate in a specific case. Nothing put forward by USADA or Froid. Gives an ounce of credibility to the argument that Froid simply couldn't have re-hydrate orally. As such he is in violation of ISTUE.