Everybody is trashing Usyk nowadays.
But, we must be honest. Kabayels best win is Chisora. After that he beat Makhmudov, injured Sanchez and ancient Zhang.
Usyk will beat this guy.
Kabayal knocked out Sanchez and Zhang though. Knocking Zhang out takes some doing - Parker and Joyce both tried and failed.
Kabayal is definitely the most deserving contender and he might just be getting Usyk at the right time. Usyk has a style that doesn't age well, if he stays in the game too long someone like Kabayal or Itama will come along to beat him up because his main strength, his movement, is starting to decline.
He needs to run it back with Kabayel as he was injured going into that fight
Thats what everyone should be talking about
That's true, we don't really know how that fight would've gone but I suspect it would've been the same result. Kabayal is just too relentless to the body and the accumulative effect of it just breaks fighters down
I'm undecided on Frank Sanchez - he beat Ajagbe but went the distance with Christian Hammer, which is terrible because he really should've smoked him! when he lost to Kabayal he was sort of handicapped in the fight so again it hard to know the level he's on. He does have skills though. 3 or 4 years ago he was being hyped up as the best heavyweight contender but it all sort of went a bit left since then
He's not avoiding him, he's avoided him. The fight is definitely not happening.
Canelo - Mbilli is a decent fight, no? I've seen people accuse Canelo of avoiding Mbilli on this board too.
I'd say he still is avoiding him. Leaving the arena early before the Benavidez vs Zurdo cinco de mayo main event was a statement. And of course he wasn't in the arena afterwards to hear Benavidez's call out.
The Mbilli fight is not a bad fight but I can't help but feel it's the weakest option available to him. I'd have preferred to see him fight Iglesias but he already turned that fight down earlier in the year and doesn't seem keen to take it again, most probably because he knows that Cuban style will give him problems. Also I think he saw something in the Mbilli vs Martinez fight which led him to accept this fight - it's something he does frequently when "choosing" opponents, he looks for vulnerabilities and weaknesses. If I recall correctly Mbilli was definitely hurt at least once in that fight.
Man like Fraudley haha... Audley Harrison should've achieved much more; he was a big & technical southpaw super heavyweight with power but his main problem was he had zero heart. The David Haye fight was terrible, he barely threw a punch - it was so bad the commission were discussing withholding his purse
It's not a good look, nor is banging on about it like someone with an autistic fixation.
He can "claim" what he likes, like Floyd claimed to be "TBE". It was always obviously self-serving promotion which historians will easily dismiss.
I was hardly banging on about it... I agreed with someone else's post
In any case this is a boxing forum so it's not unusual for people to talk about issues relating to boxing.such as Canelo avoiding Benavidez. As you have "priorities, perspective and life experience" perhaps this isn't the best place for you.
Only by internet obsessives like the guy below. People with priorities, perspective and life experience will at worst somewhat lament an interesting fight and at best not even think about it, because it wasn't that big of a deal.
Is it not wrong what I said? These are facts whether you or whoever likes it or not, fan or hater of Canelo anyone can make the observation that he swerved Benavidez like the plague and it's not a good look is it? Especially for someone who claims to be "king" of the sport
So you're still following me around because myself and others crushed that dreadful thread you made. You're a weird guy... You're definitely the most depressing and pessimistic poster here. I mean what do you actually bring to the table other than being different (and not in a good way)?
Canelo will be remembered for Avoiding Benavidez. Lost to Crawford and Mayweather who were smaller than him.
This is it - It is one of the worst, if not the worst ducks in the history of the sport especially when you consider the length of time he avoided him for & all the excuses he made etc. Canelo's legacy is also losing every time he stepped up to face elite opposition - for the rematch against GGG he used PEDs in the preparation and still lost in many peoples opinion
He's ready, he was sparring professionals like Okolie and Dubois when he was only 15, he is 21 now. His amateur experience and sparring has set him at a very high level - you can see that when he fights. He hasn't fought to a high level in the pro's but with his pedigree I don't think it matters, most of the top contenders would find him a very difficult opponent
If Hrgoviv had better stamina and was slightly quicker he'd actually be world class, he reminds me a bit of Vitali Klitschko. He must've landed about 800 right hands on Dubois head when they fought lol.
Itauma would take out Hrgovic within 6 but he'll also get hit properly for the first time
Morrell needs to go back down to 168lbs. It's night and day between how he fought at 168lbs and what he's done at 175lbs. It looks like he doesn't have the power he showed at 168lbs so has been less effective. Morrell is a big super-middleweight and things are wide open down there so he can certainly continue his career there. At 175lbs he is in constant danger - maybe a fight with Buatsi or Yarde if he decides to stay.
People slate Paul but he was essentially a content creator so to do what he has done by coming into a combat sport to knock the likes of Tyrone woodley out is quite impressive. That said he had absolutely no business even being mentioned in the same conversation as AJ. The only thing he could realistically do now is try to avenge his loss to Tommy Fury - anybody else even at a mediocre level will spin that jaw again
Can see Fabio getting off the floor to clip Dubois against the run of the action. For my bet I'm going for at least 2 knockdowns in the fight at 13/10. The winner might drop the loser twice which might lead to the KO or they might trade knockdowns.
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Did you not say that you were done speaking with me? Would you like me to copy paste your words here?
There is no question that you are a Sodom/Gomorrah boy. I think most readers of this thread have come to that conclusion by now. Those were your words. Again.
Go ahead and respond instead of leaving me alone.
You're a disgusting ghey man. Bye Bye
American West Coast endless Mexican fighters
Dave developed his boxing base sparring those come forwards
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So tall and long for his weight can use his fast spear jab to further provoke them forward
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didn't need to fully develop ring cutting techniques
Great segment at the post fight with Buff Guy Yarde press conference where Fat Dave credits golovkin as his de facto mentor
all of the the rounds they did together helped shape Fat Dave into the fighter that he is today
how fitting for a pupil of golovkin to beef with Saul Santos
The thing I like about Benavidez is he isn't a one punch guy - he's puts on a accumulative beatdown until the opponent folds, similar to how GGG did and how Beterbiev does.
There is something really satisfying about watching a fighter being made to take steady punishment, round after round until the received damage is irreversible.
Dave grew up in the gym sparring world class guys to learn his craft
all of that hard sparring since childhood are YEARS of wear & tear
party lifestyle in his early 20s c ocaine and booze. was still boozing and being hammered as recently as his mid to late 20s. These activities took years off of Oscar's boxing
Dave would sometimes balloon up in the past after fights
given his background incredibly impressive if Dave is still very good at 35
Yeah Benny was up at Big Bear sparring Golovkin at 15 & 16 years of age.
Apparently in one of the spars they both hurt each other with body shots, which is fairly plausible
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"Most readers"? ;) That's what psychologists call delusions of grandeur. Nobody cares except you.
So long g-ay boy!! Also, I thought you were done speaking with me? Why do you keep coming back anus boy?
The amount of times you've referenced men's genitalia and described h0m0sexual sex practices to me is absolutely vile. we're not talking once but 4 or 5 times now. I don't live in your world so can't relate to what you're talking about... I can only comment on boxing. You are unquestionably not straight, you are part of the LGBT community. Your ideation quickly descended from the Canelo vs Benavidez fight into h0m0sexual thoughts.
You have to think about something before you manifest it - before you typed out that ghey filth you obviously thought about it :puke:
explain?
if anything Turki is interested in Fat Dave
he funded Fat Dave's fight with Buff Guy Yarde, a good but far from great opponent
I meant Turki is now at the point where he is proposing fantasy main event Riyad Season fights involving Benavidez like the possible Usyk one. win, lose or draw those type of fights are only going to boost his profile globally and financially to a higher degree than it already is
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I wish you well with your lifestyle on scrotums, ********s, sniffy banzas ... too many to mention.
You're actually ghey though lol :greddy2:, I'm not. I think most readers of this thread have come to that conclusion by now
Canelo Alvarez is a greater fighter than David Benavidez and has a better resume.
The reality is? David Benavidez is most likely in the latter part of his career. So this notion or narrative that he is the future of boxing, is nonsense in my opinion. He has already shown potential signs that he does not have the work ethic to have the longevity of Canelo Alvarez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Junior, Manny Pacquiao'.
Based on what? Canelo's career has been hugely manufactured and as the cash cow he has been afforded many luxuries BUT EVEN THEN his career has been clouded by controversies in the way of judges gifts, failed PED tests and having the rankings manipulated to accommodate him/weak opponents. If what you're saying held any truth then Canelo would've fought & beat him by now.
Also what on earth are you talking about saying Benavidez is in the latter part of his career? He is only 29 years old and appears to be getting better and better with each fight. Also Turki is now showing interest in him so his star is set to shine brighter than it already has.
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So long ghey boy!
I wish you well with your thoughts about scrotums, anus', jock straps etc...too many to mention. I hope you find contentment
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You are closeted ho-mo-seksual and you know it. You like to sniff butt holes especially during the hot summer days so stop lying.
I made a throwaway comment, which you for some strange reason latched on to and then started coming at me with a odd sort of energy regarding how you want Canelo to get paid $250 million and how you like to slosh on sweaty scrotums.
Like I said, the only reason you'd want to promote a fighter getting paid to the extent you have shown is because you feel a sort of way about them getting to the money while you're busy sniffing their jock straps and eating poop fetishes. Most of us don't care about the politics around the sport, we just want to see the fights.
I don't make a habit of conversing with ghey men. It's abundantly clear to everyone here that you're ghey... You took a totally normal boxing discussion and steered it into a disgusting direction with references to your probable h0m0sexual fantasies/thoughts that were in your mind at the time. This conversation ends here
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You are closeted ho-mo-seksual and you know it. You like to sniff butt holes especially during the hot summer days so stop lying.
I made a throwaway comment, which you for some strange reason latched on to and then started coming at me with a odd sort of energy regarding how you want Canelo to get paid $250 million and how you like to slosh on sweaty scrotums.
Like I said, the only reason you'd want to promote a fighter getting paid to the extent you have shown is because you feel a sort of way about them getting to the money while you're busy sniffing their jock straps and eating poop fetishes. Most of us don't care about the politics around the sport, we just want to see the fights.
I don't make a habit of conversing with ghey men. It's abundantly clear to everyone here that you're ghey... You took a totally normal boxing discussion and steered it into a disgusting direction with references to your probable h0m0sexual fantasies. This conversation ends here
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"If he is Benavidez's voluntary defense"? Canelo lost all his marbles at 168 so either you are an anus sniffing re-tard or just a plain old scrotum sniffing neanderthal.
The only reason you would advocate Canelo to earn a big payday to the extent you are here is because you probably are a closeted Canelo lover who takes di-cks up his wazoo!
Any time you can't have a conversation, you resort to making personal attacks on anyone that disagrees with you. It's a trend I see in almost all your posts. You go ahead and take that big sniff of Canelo's jock strap and recoil in your elastic spasm.
You're actually ghey! Please don't reply to me using those disgusting words because I'm a straight heterosexual man and don't wish to hear your disgusting thoughts. For you to actually type out that filth means those thoughts/actions must've entered your mind at some point. Not only are you as dense as two short planks you've also shown yourself to be a disgusting degenerate.
Anybody who knows my posting history on here will know I'm one of Canelo's biggest critics and have been for nearly a decade. I made a throwaway comment, which you for some strange reason latched on to and then started coming at me with a odd sort of energy??
Like I said, the only reason you'd want to begrudge a fighter getting paid to the extent you have shown is because you feel a sort of way about them getting to the money while you're working your entry level job at waitrose day in, day out. Most of us don't care about the politics around the sport, we just want to see the fights.
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There you go on a loop. Again and again.
Canelo does not deserve a monstrous payday against a guy he has ducked for years. Hopefully he gets knocked out by Mbilli or whoever else he fights.
For some weird reason you feel passionate about Canelo leap-frogging everyone to get paid to fight Benny and are seeming to bracket everybody else with your thoughts.
what loop? I answered the question you asked me you ridiculous spastic... Are you a bit slow upstairs?
How would Canelo be leap-frogging anyone if he is Benavidez's voluntary defence? Canelo has ducked Benavidez for the best part of 5 years now, anything to facilitate the fight to occur would be welcome. If money really is the barrier that he says it is hopefully somebody is able to call his bluff to prove it, although in reality there is no amount of money to get him in the ring with Benavidez
who actually cares what either man gets paid for said fight. The only reason you would begrudge Canelo from earning a big payday to the extent you are here is because you probably work in an entry level job down the local factory and you're on minimum wage. I mean I despise Canelo but if he has to get paid a large fee to get that fight on then so be it.
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There is not a soul on this platform who is hoping for Canelo to be paid a truck load of money to fight Benny. Except you of course. Canelo commands north of $40 million fighting nobodies and has ducked Benny for 5 years straight. There is no joy at all in seeing him getting paid that money.
Why would Canelo NOT getting brutally knocked out bother you so much?
Because he has ducked/ran from various fighters along the way who probably would've; Beterbiev, Jermall Charlo, Derevyenchenko, Benavidez, Golovkin at 35 instead of 33, Morrell Jr. I, and many millions of other fans around the world need to seem him KO'd as a form of justice for all the shenanigans he has pulled He has been a cancer to the sport for over a decade!
For some weird reason you feel passionate about Canelo not getting paid and are seeming to to bracket everybody else in with your thoughts.
Fat Dave is good but euro level Ronald won 5 roundz and put Fat Dave on his ass in the final round
the movement and straight shot combos made Fat Dave work
While he’s no Top Soviet Bivol Buff Guy Jai has stick and move with his athletic feet
In Benavidez's defence that Ronald fight was a long time ago and the knockdown was a flash one when he was squared up. He has definitely improved since then and demonstrated how he now neutralises movers when he started unloading on Cuban Dave