Awesome
I thought the whole thing was very entertaining, and I'm glad to see most others do as well (besides all the writers of course who are just being politically correct to keep their jobs).
I was reading a free newspaper today in Sydney, and this story was the main sporting article with a 2 page spread. I've read this paper almost everyday for the last 2 years and it's the first time I've seen international boxing get this sort of coverage (occasionally they'll cover mundine or danny green fights)
On another note, all this talk of Chisora getting banned for life is a joke. Margarito puts plaster in his gloves and only gets a 1 year suspension... James Toney roids out and only gets 6 months... Now Chisora gets into a scrap outside of the ring and they want to ban him for life??? What sort of logic is that!? What kind of idiots are running these boxing commissions!?!?
P.S. I'd much rather see Chisora and Haye fight than see either of them fight either of the Klitschkos again.
ppl always seem to underestimate tszyu, and overestimate mayweather. Dont get me wrong mayweather is good, but he hasnt done enough to be held in as high regard as alot of ppl hold him. it annoys me how tszyu was ruling the 140lb division and as soon as mayweather enters it, ppl put him at the top of the list above tszyu. tszyu has power that cant be denied but he is also very effective at catching ppl with it. he has already taken out judah and mitchell who both hav similar styles to mayweather (particularly judah, who has more power but less effective defense). mayweathers defense also wasnt all that great against corley. Although it is hard to compare i think ppl should give tszyu more credit and keep him at the top of the list until mayweather proves himself better by beating him. Another thing that makes me question floyd is that he doesn't seem to want to fight tszyu, he wants gatti then hes talking about DLH & mosley. neither of them hav titles, and he wouldnt gain all that much respect for beating them as they both seem to have been on the downward slope lately. if ur gonna move up to 147, fight judah and then defend against these other fighters once ur the champion. anyway, i hope he fights tszyu someday soon so that the speculation can end - it could go either way but i think tszyu would catch him and knock him out at some stage.
Wuts gonna hurt Cotton is his Gayness beginning to bubble. He's got a strength trainer that is a full blown gay. Many people don't know it yet but this dudes open about it. Why wud Cotton surround himself like that. Sorry but this is a man's Game!!
If Cotto is gay, how does it feel to know that he could knock you the fxck out and then have his way with your unconscious body?
Trick Rolled!
I'd put money on it that she tried to 'trick roll' him. Happens in Vegas all the time.
In every Vegas club there are a bunch of hookers that act like they are normal patrons in the club. They jump all over their 'victims' and the average naive horny guy who doesn't know any better thinks he's about to get lucky. Then when said naive guy takes them back to his hotel, the hooker steals whatever she can and bounces.
In this case I bet Wilder caught the hooker trying to steal, and then he got wilder and started wilding on her.
I've lost all respect for Hopkins. Used to be a fan but not anymore. He has absolutely no shame and would do anything to win.
I let his soccer player tactics slide in the past, but this fight was just ridiculous. He realized his "throw a right hand and hold tactic" wasn't working, so he panicked and took a dive at the first opportunity.
They should have left it as a TKO for Dawson just to teach Hopkins that he can't ***** out like that. He ripped the fans off and should not have even been paid.
Dana White doesn't have to kill boxing, because boxing will kill itself all on it's own.
Even if Mayweather beat both Klitschkos by KO some people would still hate.
I can see it now:
"The Klitschkos were old when Floyd fought them"
"The Klitschkos were never even that good. Tyson and Ali would have whooped Floyd"
"Floyd weight drained the Klitschkos down to 240"
Roach says Golovkin isn't a big enough draw, yet Andy Lee has been mentioned as a possible December opponent for Cotto.
There goes Roach's bull**** argument out the window.
I don't think these stats are really indicative of how the fight went.
Bradley was rolling with a lot of Marquez's 'power' punches, and although they made contact they barely touched him. Particularly Marquez's straight right hands.
On the other hand, most of the jabs Bradley landed snapped Marquez's head back.
The Compubox stats were so inaccurate it's comical. Just count the punches Horn landed in round 1 for yourself. He landed more than 20, yet somehow Compubox only saw 9. People keep quoting these stats but nobody is taking the time to actually check them.
How can you say Pacquiao is number 1 when he is almost undoubtedly a drug cheat? That is ludicrous!
He's not even willing to take a test within 14 days of a fight, so he obviously has something to hide.
It's like if you walk out of a shopping centre and refuse to show your bag. If you didn't steal anything, you'd happily show them your bag. Pacquiao obviously did "steal something" so to speak.
I can't believe how many people just act like it is okay for athletes to take performance enhancing drugs, especially in a sport like boxing - you could KILL SOMEBODY! It is no better than if you put plaster in your gloves like Margarito.
Pacquiao should be removed from all pound for pound lists, and Mayweather, who is obviously a clean fighter (as he is willing to take any test any time), should take his spot.
I think Algieri will give Pac a lot more trouble than most of you think. When was the last time Pacquiao fought someone with a 5 inch reach advantage that moves constantly and throws over 100 punches per round?
Pacquiao struggles with fighters that don't stand with him. Even at his best he had trouble closing the show against a badly hurt Cotto once he started moving.
You can argue Algieri doesn't really 'deserve' the fight considering he's only got one big win on his record, but stylistically he's bad for Pacquiao.
WTF? I thought Vargas beat him handily.
What's up with people's scoring these days? A guy can be eating jabs for a whole round, but then he throws one decent combination and people give him the round.
Khabib spent most of each round plodding forward and not throwing punches, as he ate jab after jab after jab. Occasionally he'd would throw a decent combination, but then return to eating jabs for extended periods of time, showing no urgency to win the fight. Vargas would also return fire immediately whenever he was under attack, whereas Khabib would just absorb punishment and return nothing. It wasn't until the last couple of rounds that Khabib started doing what he should have been doing the entire fight.
far as im concerned neither of them walked the walk. i'd actually say haye had more of a go at it then wlad. haye was actually throwing punches with bad intentions, just not often enough. wlad on the other hand was his usual safety-first self - too scared to throw the right hand more than once a month and holding every time haye landed ANYTHING.
even worse wlad is acting like he put on the performance of a lifetime. then again... it probably is for him considering some of his other fights were even worse than this
I think all the people complaining didn't actually sit and score the fight round by round. They just looked at the fight overall and thought: "Pacquiao threw the more hurtful punches, so he should win". I had it a draw.
Pac paid the price for trying to steal rounds. As some others said, in most of the rounds he was only fighting for the last minute. Sometimes it was only the last 30 seconds. For the other 2 to 2.5 minutes Bradley would be throwing and landing jabs and combinations. You can't just ignore those punches because you think they weren't hurting Pacquiao - the fact is the punches were landing.
Do you go with the guy who had a good 30 seconds? Or do you go with the guy who had a decent 2 minutes and 30 seconds? Rounds like that are up in the air, and if a judge goes with the latter on every round like this, the latter is going to win.
I'm kind of on the fence with this. Mexican is just a descriptive word. Not a racist slur.
If an Englishman were to say "I just beat the fxck out of an Irishman", no one would bat an eyelid. Even if an Aussie were to say "I just beat the fxck out of a Pom", no one would care.
In other words, it's okay to be racist as long as the person you're being racist to has the same skin colour and speaks the same language.
if mayweather told you he was god would you believe him? a blood test 24 days before and immediately after the fight along with urine tests at any point up to the fight would detect everything you ****ing idiot. no other boxer on this planet has ever had to take that many tests before a fight a prob won't ever. pac shouldn't agreed to any blood tests because there is no reason to believe he has ever been on anything. this all started from mayweather sr. a former drugy who's been to jail and has an iq of 62. take floyd's balls out of your mouth and think for your ****ing self.
A drug cheat that never failed a drug test. Way to go Einstein!:haha:
Unless they've discovered some performance enhancing drug that only a blood test could detect it, they're willing to take the urine test everyday. Don't make it sound like Pacquiao don't want to be tested...
Ok e-thugs. Hope those angry comments made you feel all big inside. Now here's a few interesting quotes from Dr Margaret Goodman (a former NSAC Medical Advisory Board Chairman and Chief Ringside Physician):
"there are individuals out there who will design a program. They'll ask, 'When is your competition,' and they'll design a program to make sure that they'll get the benefits from the drugs, but the drugs won't be in their system when they're drug-tested."
"if you want to check for everything that you need to check for, given the current situation of drugs that are being abused by athletes to enhance their performances, then you should check for everything that you can check for, which does include things that can only be checked in the blood."
Wow..... looks like the good doctor just disproved everything that all of you said lol
For the record, I used to like Pacquiao more than Mayweather, because he's more exciting, but the bottom line is that he's a cheat.
The full interview can be found at
boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/01/06/former-commission-doctor-says-blood-testing-feasable-for-boxing
wow you're a moron:lol1:
your shopping centre example is as stupid as it gets...i'll explain to you why
if a security guard or a mall officer is the one who wants to check your bag by all means show em otherwise you're hiding something. but if it's just another shopper who insists on checking your bag then swing that bag on and smash it to his face because that person just wants to steal something from your bag. you got that?
Sorry... but no. How is Mayweather "just another shopper"? Your implying that Pacquiao taking steroids is of no consequence to Mayweather, which is completely moronic. Mayweather would be the store worker because he's the one Manny's "stealing" from. E.g. Mayweather is going to be the one who is subject to the results of Pacquiao's cheating.
I'm done arguing now, I realize that you Pinocchiao fans will defend him no matter what. Even if they had video footage of him injecting drugs into himself, you'd still find ways to defend him. If the roles were reversed, and it had been Pacquiao asking Mayweather for random drug testing, you'd all be calling Mayweather a cheat. You're completely arrogant, biased idiots who are not worth wasting words on. So I'll waste no more.....
WTF is Green talking about? He didn't drop down for their first fight. They fought at super middleweight, the same division Green had fought at for most of his career up to that point. It was only after that fight that he moved up. His choice of opposition has never been better than Mundine's either. The only really good fighters Green fought he lost to. His win over Jones was just as insignificant as Mundine's win over Mosley.
Mundine was drained at jnr middle, but I don't think it'd be a good idea for him to go above 168.
that was Jeff's ninth cousin on his mother's side
Australians are basically all related
Close but Jeff's actually my inbred twin brother.
My point was that every round is scored individually. You could have a really close fight that comes out at 120-108 just because one fighter edged every single round by a hair.
If a fight is close, and you think fighter A has been edging most of the close rounds, you don't then get to later rounds and start giving fighter B charity rounds just to even it out because the fight is close overall.
@Kilrain
Those numbers a probably correct, but still he landed most of those punches in the minute or 30 second spurts at the end of rounds. When you're watching the fight you don't see punch stats. You just see a guy getting outworked for most of the round, and then letting loose at the end to try and win it.
On another note, Bradley was outboxing Pac at the end of the fight just by throwing a combination and then moving. Pac was left reaching at air almost every time. Bradley is not half the counter-puncher/boxer that Mayweather is. Imagine what Mayweather would do to Pac. Pac's only chance would be to go for broke and catch Mayweather cold in the early rounds.
Judging is not really subjective. There are clear criteria for judging a round such as who is landing the cleaner more effective punching. Which is the #1 criteria for scoring a round because of you will that it negates the other criteria such as defensive.
This is true but we're still relying on our own perception of who is landing the cleaner more effective punches. Unless a fighter goes down or is visibly wobbled, we're really just making educated guesses about which punches hurt and which don't. We're not the fighter getting punched, so we're just guessing how effective each punch is.
I feel this is kind of the case with this fight. Outside of the 9th round, I don't think Pac landed many punches that hurt Horn, but others disagree. Sometimes Pac would get hit and bang his gloves together to showboat and people interpret that differently too. For some people it shows that Horn's punches weren't bothering Pac. For others it's a sign that Pac was stung and trying to cover it up by showboating. It all comes down to our own flawed interpretations of what punches are effective.
The only real way to take away all controversy, is to not rely on our judgement at all. Put sensors on the fighters that track every single punch landed, and track how powerful they were. But now that I think about it, even if the technology was perfect, there would still be debate. Why? Because you could have fights where fighter A punches hard but has a weak chin, and fighter B has an iron chin but doesn't punch as hard. Fighter A might be punching fighter B hard but having no effect. Fighter B despite being a weaker puncher, is still hurting fighter A because fighter A has a weak chin.
So the moral of the story is that there is no solution. People just have to live with the fact that there is no completely objective way to score boxing, and as such people will always have different opinions on who won.
Both of these guys should just agree to stay home and do nothing but eat and sleep for 2 months. Then when they're both fully rested, fat and injury-free they can fight a 4 rounder at light-heavyweight.
I don't understand why referring to a Japanese person as Jap is racist? It's not a derogatory term, it's just an abbreviation. People aren't offended if you call a Vietnamese person Viet, or an Australian person Aussie.
I don't get it.
that and he was slipping a ton of them
Yep I agree. My point was just that some of the Marquez power punches that Compubox has recorded as 'landing', actually barely touched Bradley.
People just can't accept that boxing is subjective. Even with the judging criteria it's still completely open to interpretation. Whenever a fight is close there's going to be 'controversy', because everyone is so damn sure that their opinion on a fight is THE one and only opinion to have.
Even with the 117-111 card, I don't agree with it, but there were a lot of close rounds. If you score every single one of those close rounds to Horn you could get a score like that.