it hit him in the right thigh at least 6 inches below his trunks. i would classify that as low yes and according to the rules it is low as well so i don't count that as a scoring punch.
not every hopkins punch is mentioned either. some things were obvious and don't really need to be mentioned or replayed. you ultimately make the decision. if you think calzaghe still won somehow than that's fine.
This was good work from Cazlaghe in a round that you gave to Hopkins. The videos state that you only avoid recogizing Joe's work in rounds that Joe clearly won. In these videos you are poniting out that Hopkins won at least 6 RDS. But you gave round number 6 to Hopkins and ingnored Joe's work.
You even discredit the flurries at the end of RD 6. They had Hopkins in trouble and trying to get out of the firing line. Hopkins was panicking and tried to pull Joe's head down and get behind him for safety.
Calzaghe clearly won RD 6. He landed the better punches and forced the action.
nah hopkins got the better. hopkins landed 2 rights and the right hand that "rattled hopkins jaw" was nothing more than a tap. 2 solid right hands thrown with full force is beter than a little right where he already had his arm extended. and hopkins was already holding before the "body shot" tap even hit him. in terms of number of punches landed in that exchange i would say about equal but obviously hopkins were harder. that's my opinion anyway. i'll take 2 straight hopkins rights to 1 calzaghe hook and a body tap. that constitutes better to me.
Is that the best you can do? Hopkins' head was sent to one side by the right-hand. This shot forced Hopkins to retaliate so it is effective work.
In that exchange Calzaghe landed 3 good shots to Hopkins 1.
Either way that body-shot landed and it hurt Hopkins. He hugged Joe to recover and Cortez eventually had to drag him off.
You acknowledge that the shots landed but the video fails to mention them. I thought these videos were supposed to flawless and credible.
3 good shots to 1? what are you seeing because it's just not there. he landed that right hand with no leverage and that is it. hopkins landed 2 straight right hands with full leverage. look at their body positions. hopkins is getting full power in his punches when he throws calzaghe is off balance. that body shot was a tiny tap and it didn't hurt in the slightest. they were already hugging at that point. how could he be hugging to recover before the body shot even lands makes no sense. hopkins landed a couple of his own taps to the body right after that anyway so if you are counting those hopkins landed more but those don't count for much. in this exchange the meaningful punches were hopkins landed 2 right hands with full leverage and calzaghe landed 1 punch while off balance. thus he got the better of it. it doesn't mean calzaghe didn't land anything.
you have to be unbiased here. if you think a little tap to the side of the body in the clinch is a debilitating body shot then you probably aren't going in the right direction.
Just watched it again and Calzaghe clearly lands a left to the body before Hopkins holds.
Calzaghe starts the exchange with a right to Hopkins Jaw. Before that they are studying each other, but Calzaghe sees a gap and exploits it. That is good effective work.
Just becuse Hopkins lands it does not mean it is effective. It is only effective if it gets a reaction from Cazlaghe and more importantly stops Calzaghe fighting his fight. It is clear to see that Calzaghe gets better in the second half fight as Hopkins' shots have little effect on him.
Anyway early in RD 6 the video claims Hopkins' lands a 3 punch combination. How on earth can that be described as a sigificant 3 punch combination? A desparate attempt to brainwash people.
i know lol its a damn replay of the fight cept the exchanges and good pucnhes are slo-mo'd. yea hopkins gets the better almost anytime. that's just reality people!
In RD 6 at about 1:45 there is an exchange which Calzaghe wins. He starts the exchange by rattling Hopkin's jaw with a right hand and finishes the exchange with a body-shot which forces Hopkins to hold on.
The video says Hopkins won that exchange. Why?
Why were Calzaghe punches ignored?
ok i see it now. the reason i didn't see it is because its super low and not a scoring punch to the body. i usually only look at the head and body not thigh lol. low blows aren't body punches.you clearly are reaching for anything to discredit these videos. props to you for trying but the truth is the truth.
How low was it? It was a pretty hard left that hit him in stomach and forced him to hold. If it was a 'low blow' then Hopkins would have something to complain about.
So you only count shots that meet your approval? This is why these videos are a load of garbage because you are only giving your take on the fight. You should anlayse all the action objectively as it unfolds.
I'm not 'reaching for anything to discredit these videos.' I just see a lot of good work by Joe being ignored. Such as:
With 8 seconds remaining in RD 6 Calzaghe lands a straight left to Hopkins' face. Why is this not mentioned?
I can do this for several other rounds.
he had agreed to the fight multiple times already and pulled out but yeah he was really gonna fight him this time!
They would have fought in 2004 if Johnson had waited instead of fighting Jones. Johnson told Dan Goosen to forget about Joe. Yet he came running back to Calzaghe when Joe became a superstar after whooping Lacy.
BBC Tuesday, 8 June, 2004
But Johnson is adamant Calzaghe has lost his chance, saying: "The fight is off. I'm not interested in fighting Joe Calzaghe any more.
Are you smoking crack? You think he beat the best of his era? Jesus christ he beat a list of no name's. Give me a break. Who cares anyway Joe slappy is somebody that most of the boxing world is happy to forget about.
ottke fought just as many top fighters and had just as many title fights. and did i miss the lacy/kessler era or something? when is that happening?
This is why it's difficult to debate with you clowns. Era/generation you know what I mean.
Generation before Joe:
Benn, Eubank, Collins , Toney, Barkley, McCallum, etc...
Calzaghe's generation:
Reid, Brewer, Ottke, Mitchell, Woodhall, Tate, Veit, Sheika, Echols, etc...
Lacy/Kessler's generation:
Froch, Bute, Ward, Dirrell, Taylor, Pavlik etc...
You were probably expecting that, so there you go.
The quality of Calzaghe's opponents it a seperate matter. The fact is he beat most of the top guys in his division.
Ottke had a great career and he beat the top guys. Although he had more controversial decisions than Calzaghe and I think Joe was by far the better fighter.
bute was already ibf champ before calzaghe even fought kessler so that excuse doesn't fly. bute wasn't calzaghe's mandatory because he gave up the belt to fight mandredo lol.
a completely shot roy jones jr wasn't too late to fight calzaghe but all the prime contenders whoa whoa you guys are too late!
You're embarrassing yourself now!
Lucian Bute became the IBF campion 1 month before Joe fought Kessler. So clearly Bute was not on Joe's radar. Calzaghe v Kessler was made in JUNE 07, the month that Bute beat Bika in an IBF eliminator. At this time Kessler, the WBA/WBC CHAMPION was the no.2 in the 168 division. Who was Joe going to fight? In fact, Calzaghe/Kessler was supposed to happen in September 07, the month before Bute beat Berrio for the IBF title. But Joe was injured.
Bute was a nobody and Kessler was the man. Calzaghe beat the man!
When Calzaghe vacated the IBF title to fight Manfredo, Robert Stieglitz was Joe's mandatory. Stieglitz then fought Berrio for the vacant title. Bute was not in the frame at all.
Calzaghe agreed to fight Johnson in September 06 on the condition that Johnson beat Woods in their 3rd fight. However Johnson lost and missed his chance. Calzaghe was ringside for this fight - some scared ducker hey.
Why do people leave out this information when discussing this issue?
Also, like someone has pointed out: Johnson refused to wait for the fight to be rescheduled on 04.
Yeah 10 years later but who's counting?
That's what is more impressive. Calzaghe won a world title in 97 and retained it for 10 years. In these 10 years he defeated 90% of the best SMW of his era. He then unified by beating two young, dangerous champions from the next era of SMW.
froch and bute were joe's mandatories. ward and dirrell were almost there as well. it's weird how he was willing to face the one dimensional plodders but not these other guys. coincidence!
Froch was never really Joe's mandatory. Froch became mandatory for the WBC 168 title in May 08. He was due to fight Inkin on the same card as Bradley/Witter to decide who would be the No.1 Inkin pulled out for the second time so the WBC made Froch their No.1.
However Joe had already moved up to 175 and had fought Hopkins the previous month. He was done at 168 - and he was practically done with boxing.
Bute was NEVER Joe's mandatory for the IBF - Stieglitz was. HBO didn't want that fight.
Those 'one dimensional plodders' had world titles. Froch and the others were a little too late.
Oh yeah what you read that from Calzaghe's book? Calslappy was more then happy to hide out for 10 years defending his NABF/WBO title. Everybody knows what happened so deal with it.
The fact is that Calzaghe did unify.
Bitter old Cun7! This 'writer' has a real boner for Warren.
Every time I read an article on Frank Warren you are posting abusive comments. Seriously every time. I think it's you who has a boner for Warren.
Do you have a life? You seemed obsessed with Frank Warren.