So does this make Joe Calzaghe's win over Hopkins look even better?

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Calzaghe got taken to school

wait wait wait.....wait a bloody eyed minute. the basic matter of it all is that you CAN NOT try to piggie back off of hopkins greatness in favor of calzaghe. calzaghe is no where NEAR to hopkins. hopkins is still fighting while calzaghe is retired even till this day for goodness sakes. calzaghe goes neck & neck with a out of prime b hop (which i had him losing that fight anyway lol) & now calzaghe deserves credit because hop schooled pavlik & pascal? how should calzaghe get credit when calzaghe didn't even really beat a out of prime hopkins HIMSELF! calzaghe was the only man down & hurt in that bout. even through it all. hopkins LITERALLY begged calzaghe for a rematch but joe refused. thats because joe knew he lost their first fight & was made to look like a amateur. he wanted NO MORE. again. HOW IN THE HELL DOES CALZAGHE DESERVE ANY CREDIT FOR HOPKINS BEING AS GREAT AS HE IS? if hopkins beats pascal & pavlik thats HOPKINS accomplishments not calzaghes. calzaghe was also schooled by hopkins and refused a rematch. GREAT post...green k!!!!! http://i52.tinypic.com/wtdjmc.jpg

Hopkins against Calzaghe was not a robbery Hopkisn was outlanded 2-to-1 accoridng to compubox This thread is bull****, it was a total robbery, Compubox figures are about as representative of the actual fight dynamics as weather reports are of real life. Many of the press row pundits had the fight to Hopkins as well as one of the judges so all the BS about Calzaghe schooling Hopkins is inferior garbage. Calzaghe looked like he had been in a fight after the match Hopkins didnt have a mark on him. Calzaghe through arm and blocked slaps all night landing **** all if you actually watch the fight and not be convinced by meaningless numbers in a compubox stat fest. Hopkins was landing cute little shots on the inside all night clearly the judges wanted the younger man to win. Finally Calzaghes whole career is bull****, he hid in Europe until the greats of his time were old and past their prime....in short Calzaghe was a skillless coward.

Bernard fought like a ***** that night. Did you seem him rolling around acting like a ***** diving like a football player?! I thought it was hilarious, he reaked of desperation that night. He's constantly been the dirtiest fighter in the sport but when somebody else gives him a bit of dirty fighting back he can't take it :lol1: I had Calzaghe winning a fairly clear UD in a very boring and scrappy fight.

Calzaghe is a very bad style matchup for Nard. he might have made him look tired toward the end of the fight but do the early rounds not count? i'm sure he was shocked to find out the judges were giving calzaghe rounds like round 2 and 3 when he didn't land anything clean and was completely dominated. weird!

sorry to rehash this but some guy claimed calzaghe "clearly" won round 6 and i went back and watched it. i kept track of all the clean effective punches and i'll even ignore some of the marginal shots hopkins landed and count some of the marginal ones calzaghe landed. unlike compubox i will ignore the rabbit punches and windmill punches to hopkins back since they aren't scoring areas. here goes! hopkins- body shot counter left jab-right hand both land clean 2 right hands in a combination good right to the body looping right to the head great counter left hook straight right to the body calzaghe- left hand little right hook little left-no power just merely a touch more than anything tiny body shot in the clinch more of a tap than anything counting this is lol straight left slap furry to end the round looks nice but nothing seems to land clean but a rabbit punch or 2 final round analysis= hopkins lands 10 clean solid connects with good steam on all of them calzaghe lands 5 clean solid connects with good steam on 3 of them so being generous to calzaghe and not very generous to hopkins he is still outlanded by a 2 to 1 margin and hopkins punches have much more pop to them. if you count real honest to goodness effective power punches hopkins outlanded him by 3 to 1. why would calzaghe win the round? how much credit does a guy get just for coming forward? landing punches seems much more important since this is boxing. clean punching-hopkins by far, defense-hopkins by far, effective aggression-hopkins by far. most people don't understand this one. it's not just being aggressive. calzaghe threw more and landed less. ineffective! ring generalship-pick either guy. calzaghe came forward/pushed hopkins back with hardly any success but hopkins went backwards and lured calzaghe into punches successfully. conclusion= i see no possible way calzaghe can win this round even while being super generous to him. landed a lot more punches, punches had a lot more power on them, and he landed the best punch of the round a great eye catching counter left hook yet 2 of the official judges(possibly blind) gave it to him. oh the humanity! we can do this for at least 6 rounds in the fight and prove hopkins deserved to win. just to start he clearly won 5 out of the first 6 and the other one could have gone either way. hopkins won this fight. don't be fooled!

No they realy dont only a few sour yanks Funny that u say that, and yet u guys made ery excuse in the world to not have a rematch. If he beat him once as u all claim to have seen, surely he'd beat him again when he's even older...

This moving target argument should go in the troll HOF. Hilarious. Dude, keep going. where in the video does it say hopkins lands a right hand? it shows it 3 times because it looks like he does but it doesnt land. just like when it looks like calzaghe is landing his slap furries they are slo-mo'd as well so you can see they aren't landing. seems pretty fair to me.

just because the punches were slo-mo'd doesn't imply they landed i don't know where you got that from. the slo-mo is for you to see if it landed or not. the video never said the punch landed. the videos are for you to see that punches that looked like they landed sometimes didn't. for hopkins and calzaghe. talk about being fair. if i slow-mo'd all of calzaghe's missed punches the vid would be 6 hours long. i spared you some time. This moving target argument should go in the troll HOF. Hilarious. Dude, keep going.

You're the only cat calling me that. Like your over involved amount of hours wasted on this fight, you are an island. A really funny island though sometimes. There's a sick genius to how far you're willing to go on this. I mean, seriously, slo-mo'ing a missing punch. Outstanding. just because the punches were slo-mo'd doesn't imply they landed i don't know where you got that from. the slo-mo is for you to see if it landed or not. the video never said the punch landed. the videos are for you to see that punches that looked like they landed sometimes didn't. for hopkins and calzaghe. talk about being fair. if i slow-mo'd all of calzaghe's missed punches the vid would be 6 hours long. i spared you some time.

I think this shows that the current crop of light heavyweight a overrated

Anytime people call you out on things in your vids or about the fight you resort to insults when you know you got sonned lol do you relize that i resorted to insults? he called me troll first. it's all in good fun. feel free to point out things. it's not perfect. nothing is(cept calzaghe). the slow mo breakdowns aren't for every punch as we've already pointed out. obvious punches aren't gonna be shown as much as the sneaky shots hopkins landed. the whole point is to show the sneaky shots that the average viewer misses on the first viewing. yea calzaghe landed some punches(far fewer than you thought he did) but hopkins also landed punches(far more than you thought he did) watch the videos make up your mind.

nah you are the best troll. you trolled so hard you got a job writing about boxing. you even have the best troll nickname cliff lol'd. anyone want a good laugh read your calzaghe is an all time great article! You're the only cat calling me that. Like your over involved amount of hours wasted on this fight, you are an island. A really funny island though sometimes. There's a sick genius to how far you're willing to go on this. I mean, seriously, slo-mo'ing a missing punch. Outstanding.

nah you are the best troll. you trolled so hard you got a job writing about boxing. you even have the best troll nickname cliff lol'd. anyone want a good laugh read your calzaghe is an all time great article! Anytime people call you out on things in your vids or about the fight you resort to insults when you know you got sonned lol do you relize that

These videos are awesome funny. Anyone want a good laugh, go to about 1:30 of round two where it slows down to show Hopkins missing a right over the shoulder of Calzaghe and Calzaghe landing two short, chopping lefts to the head of Hopkins in the clinch (the first can only be seen with Hopkins body being shaken, the second is clear as day). Dude, you're the best troll ever. Rock on. nah you are the best troll. you trolled so hard you got a job writing about boxing. you even have the best troll nickname cliff lol'd. anyone want a good laugh read your calzaghe is an all time great article!

These videos are awesome funny. Anyone want a good laugh, go to about 1:30 of round two where it slows down to show Hopkins missing a right over the shoulder of Calzaghe and Calzaghe landing two short, chopping lefts to the head of Hopkins in the clinch (the first can only be seen with Hopkins body being shaken, the second is clear as day). Dude, you're the best troll ever. Rock on.

This was good work from Cazlaghe in a round that you gave to Hopkins. The videos state that you only avoid recogizing Joe's work in rounds that Joe clearly won. In these videos you are poniting out that Hopkins won at least 6 RDS. But you gave round number 6 to Hopkins and ingnored Joe's work. You even discredit the flurries at the end of RD 6. They had Hopkins in trouble and trying to get out of the firing line. Hopkins was panicking and tried to pull Joe's head down and get behind him for safety. Calzaghe clearly won RD 6. He landed the better punches and forced the action. i mean come on now. if you want to say he forced the action or some mumbo jumbo about hopkins panicking fine but don't lie and say he landed the better punches. hopkins landed not only more but his punches had more steam on them obviously. calzaghe off balance flailing punch gets more credit than a properly balanced right hand or left hook counter? do you know anything about boxing? yea watch out for that deadly slap furry at the end that was a big points grabber lol. please tell me which 7 rounds you gave to calzaghe so i can laugh.

it hit him in the right thigh at least 6 inches below his trunks. i would classify that as low yes and according to the rules it is low as well so i don't count that as a scoring punch. not every hopkins punch is mentioned either. some things were obvious and don't really need to be mentioned or replayed. you ultimately make the decision. if you think calzaghe still won somehow than that's fine. This was good work from Cazlaghe in a round that you gave to Hopkins. The videos state that you only avoid recogizing Joe's work in rounds that Joe clearly won. In these videos you are poniting out that Hopkins won at least 6 RDS. But you gave round number 6 to Hopkins and ingnored Joe's work. You even discredit the flurries at the end of RD 6. They had Hopkins in trouble and trying to get out of the firing line. Hopkins was panicking and tried to pull Joe's head down and get behind him for safety. Calzaghe clearly won RD 6. He landed the better punches and forced the action.