whatever..it will be on free HBO here in North America in HD quality :D ..poor UK boxing fans who gotta pay..or watch a free stream :D
It's not so bad. We aren't the ones who have to pay $50 for a PPV. In the UK it costs half of that.
And of course, plenty of fights that are PPV in the US are "free" in the UK.
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I know it's hardly a reliable source, but boxrec had the fight listed a few days back and now it has been removed
Because they don't know the correct date yet?
Come on dude. Amir was born and raised in England. He's as English as you and I.
His parents are British citizens and he's an honest hard-working tax-payer.
So because he's brown he's not English?
What about Lennox, like Wazaa said, is he British? Eubank? Benn? Hamed? DeGale? Calzaghe (half Italian), was he British? Enzo Mac? Don't be xenophobic, it's wrong.
Personally I like watching Khan. He is a decent fighter and can be exciting.
But if someone doesn't identify with him because he is ethnic Pakistani well so what?
Fact is, is that some Pakistanis in England support the Pakistani cricket team over England.
Just the way it is. Nothing that "xenophobic" imo.
To be completely fair, after Bradley unified his WBC belt with Holt's WBO belt, he vacated the WBC belt instead of fighting his mandatory, Alexander.
Dawson has vacated twice, first time to fight Tarver over Diaconu and the second time to fight Johnson over Cloud.
With regard to picking Johnson over Cloud, HBO didn't want Cloud, and plenty of fans wanted a Johnson rematch.
With Khan/Maidana, I think I read that HBO were interested in showing it. I doubt Khan can argue that he can't make reasonable money with Maidana. If perhaps he can make more with Paulie Malignaggi, well is that all fighters should care about?
Ok, let's break it down.
What is BS? Have they not had big fights on regular T.V? Porter-Thurman? Thurman-Garcia? Those are two that come to mind, and there certainly have been quite a few more.
Thurman vs Garcia was a genuinely big fight at the time for sure, the kind of fight you would normally expect to be on HBO or Showtime if not PPV. And yes, they did it on free TV.
However, it's completely dishonest you would try to use this as an example, because that was at a stage when PBC first came along with a truckload of cash and were getting "time buy" slots on Network TV. That stage of their business model fizzled out.
Right now and going forward, do you think that they will be putting even a chunk of their best fights on free to air TV?
When did they ever consider Showtime to be "free to air?" Now you're just making things up.
From the quote I used:
"Premier Boxing Champions is broadcast live and free to air on SHOWTIME..."
Showtime was first on the list of channels they mentioned, and they described it as "free to air" broadcasts. I mean, I assume they do know that Showtime isn't really free to air, but they are implying it's more "free" than it really is. It's not difficult to word something as "broadcast across channels including premium cable and *also* free to air channels", but they failed to do that.
They have only had a handful of PPV's since their launch in 2015. The majority of them have come within this past year.
Right, and that's what we are talking about-- the situation today. How is their business model today. Everyone knows they *originally* made a bit of a splash by buying up slots on network TV.
You're telling me there hasn't been big fights from then to now?
If you think they are still now putting on (at least) a reasonable chunk of their best fights on free to air TV, then please make that case.
You sound ridiculous.
Well you sound dishonest that you would try to use Thurman vs Garcia as an example, for what the PBC free product is like *now*!!
Took AA 12 rounds to KO a faded Jermain Taylor who landed bunches of punches on AA.
But Taylor NEVER really troubled Abraham at all in that time. Taylor gave problems to both Froch and Pavlik which he couldn't do to Abraham. Taylor only ever threatened to outbox Abraham in terms of work-rate maybe.
I agree that it's possible that Abraham could be seriously frustrated in his offense if Dirrell runs away the whole time. But can Dirrell achieve much with hit and run tactics? Abraham will just take it on the gloves.
Also, I would think that Abraham has faster hands and is a better counter-puncher than Carl Froch. So Dirrell may not be able to get out of the way of what comes back...
I thought Groves was ultra-negative. DeGale actually wanted to fight a bit. I know it isn't a street fight, but it is still a fight. Aggression should count for something.
Seeing as how Haye is taking such a silly fight when he could have got a Klitschko, I wouldn't mind seeing Haye get knocked out.
Yes, I liked seeing Audley get knocked out by Sprott, and beaten by Williams and Rogan, but this time...
I like David Haye, but his behaviour has been shameful.
All those who think Bradley ducked Khan now, are full of **** how can you duck someone
then go signup to fight someone far way better?
For a big paycheck perhaps...
he cant fight inside and looks uncomfortable when pressured
I agree that he can look awkward when pressured, but he does still seem to be able to fight a bit on the inside.
How can you sit there and judge a company that's been in the game for 5+ years solely off of what has happened in the past 11 months?
That is ridiculous bias and not an accurate analysis. You need to take things into consideration as a whole, from start to finish. How does your brain not process this?
Everything is erased in a few months... Also not taking into consideration the current landscape of boxing in general, the overall competition. They are a success which is what matters most, and ppv is not dead because of them even though everyone around them tried to convince people it was. That is the topic of this thread to begin with, and the main point.
You're dismissed.
Very funny.
The real question-- How can you use such a dishonest example as Thurman vs Garcia as an example of what the free product is like now?
I'm talking about the company changing. That means judging the past conduct against the present and expected future conduct.
Why is that too difficult for your brain to handle?
He deserved the DQ.
Yes.
He's a cheat.
Continuing an attack like that is common in boxing. Going outside of the rules in one way or another is common. I think refs should be tougher, but these things do happen in boxing. If Abraham is a "cheat" then so are half the fighters out there at least, including probably Dirrell.
He beat a shot Miranda who Kelly ruined
In your opinion. In the opinion of Miranda himself, he was in a weakened state fighting Kelly Pavlik because of making the middleweight limit. He didn't have that problem when he got beaten by Abraham for the second time. And I think Abraham legitimately won the first first with Miranda.
and a shot JT who Kelly ruined....
Kelly ruined Taylor? Taylor didn't do too bad in the rematch, and was never a great fighter in the first place. There were plenty of doubts about him before the Pavlik fight.
LOL to the huggers that thought arthur could beat Kelly.
Pavlik doesn't have the movement to frustrate Abraham in the way that Dirrell did. What happened last night doesn't mean much with regard to an Abraham/Pavlik fight.
Also, Abraham was still in with a real chance of beating Dirrell.
Yeah, he shouldn't have hit Dirrell when down, but he isn't the first fighter to do it...
They promised to bring back boxing to free tv, they never promised to kill ppv. They executed exactly as planned. There is more boxing on free tv, and the biggest and best fights are on ppv.
Get your facts straight.
Quoting from the PBC site:
About the Premier Boxing Champions Series
Premier Boxing Champions (PBC), was created for television by Haymon Sports, LLC, in January 2015. PBC is a boxing series that returns the sweet science to its rightful place atop the sports pantheon.
Featuring today’s best and brightest stars in their toughest, most anticipated bouts, Premier Boxing Champions is broadcast live and free to air on SHOWTIME, FOX, FS1, FOX Deportes, Bounce and ITV....
https://www.premierboxingchampions.com/about
Yeah, best fights are "free to air" OK.
Doesn't say they will save the best stuff for PPV.
I'd argue buying it may well be killing the sport.
But we have an entirely different TV media structure to the US here in the UK
Free TV has little interest in boxing here. A bit on channel 5 but that's it. They have even less interest in international boxing.
If people don't pay for it, it would simply cease to be available, and that would also harm the opportunities for British boxers to get work.
I would love all boxing to be free; but the free channels just don't care about the sport.
It's sad people just hate amd assume like crazy.
No one provides facts, its all agenda based.
This PROVES that PBC ppv's have been a success. But watch as no ome speaks on this.
I would say it *proves* that PBC's critics have been proven correct-- they didn't originally have a viable business model with their truckload of investor cash, and have had to switch back to doing the very thing they were supposed to be different to.
Unless of course that was the real plan all along from the beginning of PBC... pretend that they were trying to take boxing mainstream but really have an agenda for the old school PPV model. I doubt that they are that dishonest however.
I'm guessing you're with Virgin Media. I'm with Sky and I have to pay registration fee of £10 everytime.
It's going down to £8.
I don't subscribe all the time. HD channel cost £10 per month.
Why? BoxNation have nothing to do with Sky. (Other than being available on the Sky platform of course.) You get the HD channel along with the SD channel at no extra cost. (Although yeah it is going up to £12.)
So I have to pay £22 to register and to subscribe. Another tenner on top if I want to watch it in HD. So that's £32 in total for a month technically.
£20 for a month as far as I know. But I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
no his post is correct in every way, a shot ruined taylor boxed froches ears
Taylor did give Froch problems but it was still a competitive fight.
Against Kessler, Froch didn't do enough work. But again, good competitive fight.
Froch was maybe a little unfair about Khan, so I guess you can understand if he wants to throw something back. But really, Froch deserves respect for his performance in that fight. And look at the quality of the opposition recently: Jean Pascal (in a very nice fight), Jermain Taylor (good fight), Andre Dirrell (OK, not a good one, but I would put the blame on Dirrell for that), and now Kessler (another good fight). Froch may be a little obsessed with talking about Calzaghe, but delivering quality fights should count for something right?
Say it Amir, say it. Don't hold back. We are muslims. If you hit us we won't turn the other cheek. If you hit us, we will make damn sure that you will never lay a hand on anybody else in your life again.
That's an inspiring message of love you have there...
And of course, in traditional Islam, you don't even wait to be attacked first...
Point out a lie told in that quote.
They haven't done that?
Hosting a few ppv's disqualifies what is said on there in what world exactly?
I don't believe you are that dense.
First lie would be that they have "returned the sweet science to its rightful place...". Not really. They haven't made that much of an impact for the sport. Come on, that is BS propaganda.
Then it's highly questionable to consider Showtime "free to air" when it's pay TV. Maybe you can spin it and say well some of it is free to air anyway.
And of course, the implication is that the *best fights* will be on free to air TV. Do you think that even *some* of the best fights are going to be free to air now? Or are *all* or largely all the biggest fights that fans really want to see likely going to be PPV? (Or perhaps pay TV with Showtime.)
Because if they aren't showing at least a good chunk of the best stuff free to air, then it's hardly accurate.
David Haye is gonna whip Ruiz. Does any1 know if its gonna be televised in the states??? Id rather see Haye beat the crap outta Ruiz then see Roy & Bernard fight. Not really interested in that 1 & Haye is the future of the Heavyweight division.
Shown on delay I think: part of the Hopkins/Jones PPV.
Typical frank warren, trying to get more money. Luckly for me i got sentanta so it dnt matter lol.
Perhaps, but I think I read something about Warren wanting to get coverage for all of his fighters. That is something understandable. But I really don't have a clue what happened with the contract negotiations.
It's not good for U.K. boxing anyway. I hope ITV doesn't just give up on it, but that is what I suspect will happen.
williams is the absolute worst when it comes to rematches
he has lost all 4 he fought and hasnt won a single one
I think he won a rematch against Julius Francis, and against Michael Sprott. (Although he lost a 3rd fight with Sprott.)
He did lose the rematch to Matt Skelton, where Matt decided to keep away from a fat 20 stone Danny and mostly didn't want to trade with him. Williams also lost the rematch to Audley, which was a premature stoppage imo.