He'd get his ass killed in boxing. He's not a boxer, so you shouldn't expect anything less. They fucked Gary Goodridge when they fought. Though I don't really care, just saying fact.
Mark Hunt would get knocked out by Chris Byrd. He may be tough, but he doesn't have that kind of stamina or pace. And he doesn't have boxing technique really. And he's fat, so anybody could work his body. Not like he'd be able to block that well.
Same time, if he fought a boxer in K-1, it wouldn't be surprising if he won there.
Oh and I've seen that Bob Sapp fight about 3 times now. OMG any boxer would beat the fuck out of him. He's nothing. He struggles with light heavyweights and backs up from their power. Imagine what a heavyweight boxer would do. Especially Tyson. LMAO, I almost hope they have an exhibition.
I'll bet anybody real money on Tyson vs. Holyfield that Tyson knocks Holyfield out. I mean damn, its just obvious. Even the Tyson that hurt his knee against Williams would stop Holyfield. Guaranteed.
i think you should look up the rivalary between england vs wales, i wouldnt be suprised to see joe get booed in manchester especially after his comments about ricky hatton last year, if you think joe is gonna be the home favourite u got another thing coming, i personally thought the fight would have been in cardiff...dont have a clue why its in manchester tbh.
come on, they'll go for the white guy in England. he's british, same difference. they'll go for him over lacy. if it were witter, maybe they'd go for witter over him.
I won't be upset if Mayorga wins. I like the guy outside the ring so much that I would have him really high on my list if he had any skill whatsoever. Trinidad should easily destroy him, but who knows? I'm betting any money I get by Friday all on Mayorga to win by KO.
Trinidad is too damn one-d of a fighter. I don't like him as much as I used to. And I hate his father, can't stand that idiot. Tito gives his dad way too much control. His dad actually had the audacity to tell him he was winning the Hopkins fight.
And it was just lame for Tito to do his fake retirement, which nobody ever believed would stick very long. He would've been back sooner had every reporter in the world not laughed and kept saying "No seriously, when are you coming back?" from the day he announced retirement.
Jones was the champ. He only had to agree to 75/25 purse split. 70/30 was MORE than generous for a guy nobody here had heard of.
Jones beat Gonzales. so what's your point there? That made no sense. Yes, Jones is obviously done now. How did Jones duck Rocchigiani? Get real, you try to make it sound like that bum was anything. He was the one who didn't want to fight Jones after Jones had the title. He didn't even fairly win the title anyhow. And he was a faggot for sueing the WBC over it. I don't support the WBC, but if I were them, I'd tell Rocchigiani to go fuck himself too.
This topic is funny. Shows that the starter is clueless about boxing. This was a first. Who has Jones ever fought? LMAO. Whatever.
Who are all these guys Jones ducked? And don't even try saying DM. Jones had all the belts that matter, WBC, WBA, IBF. DM had the one WBO belt, which back then wasn't even considered anything. DM wasn't willing to come here. Since Jones had the real belts and was the real champ not only literally, but by every reputable boxing reporter in the world, it was not Jones that ducked DM.
Julio Gonzales beat DM. Jones easily beat Julio Gonzales BEFORE Julio beat DM. DM couldn't even beat Jones' leftovers successfully. And DM is younger than Jones.
And if anybody tries naming a heavyweight Jones ducked, you're a moron. Cause he didn't duck any heavyweights. And let's say he would have, so what? He was a light heavyweight. The fact that the public was clamoring for this guy to go to heavyweight shows his greatness.
I just don't see the winner of this crappy show getting a WBO Title shot right away. That's really not even fair to real boxers who have been at this game. These bums go on a reality show and get a WBO Title shot? No, boxing isn't corrupt, not at all. Oh well, they'll get exactly what they have coming to them if they actually get a real WBO Title shot. Any current WBO champ will destroy these guys within 2 rounds max.
I hope whoever wins has to fight Cotto. Anybody know what weights these guys are? I haven't seen it on the show, the weights. They all look to be between lightheavy and welter. Haven't heard of the LH WBO Champ, but then there is Calzaghe, Hopkins, Santos, Margarito, and Cotto.
Should be funny at least. Probably the winner will get the shot on HBO Latino. And of course Hopkins won't be fighting the winner...well...he did fight Hakkar though didn't he.
Mayorga still took the bigger risk. That's like saying Jones vs. Tyson that Tyson took the bigger risk even if a prime Jones took on a just out of prison Tyson. Jones would've moved up 2 weight classes, would've been killed, literally, and would've taken the bigger risk.
Trinidad is a career killer. Just ask Vargas or Reid. Look what Tito did to Joppy. Sorry but Joppy was a much better skilled opponent than Mayorga. Trinidad was moving up in that fight.
I'm not dissing Trinidad though. It was Mayorga's choice to fight him. It was the wrong choice, lol.
People are pissed off for all the wrong reasons.
I'm pissed that Ruiz won, not that Golata lost. Screw Golata. He's a bitch anyhow imo. Yeah, too bad what happened to him, sure, if you think that, fine. But damn, Ruiz SUCKS. I really hoped Golata would go "Low Bowe" him to death. That way he'd reassure us that no more Ruiz's ever came around (OMG, imagine a John Ruiz Jr....ugh).
And if you hate Ruiz so much, wouldn't you actually sort of want him to win so he could get a worse beating in the future? I'm halfway glad he won the BS decision just like I was with Mesi over Jirov. Now Ruiz can get destroyed when he has to defend that belt. Think about it. If f'n Golata beat his ass...imagine Toney or Tyson.
I didn't bother seeing these fights. Just knew nothing very good would come out of this BS of a PPV. Not a single fight was PPV worthy anyhow.
Let me add more about King. While I think he has done lots of good for the sport of boxing, he has NOT done very well by his boxers. Especially Tyson. He messed Tyson up the worse imo. Robbed him completely blind.
I've read and watched King a lot though. He's a cold-hearted SOB, but he's right. It isn't his fault that these guys let him rip them off. So many of them sign contracts without reading them or without having a lawyer read them. Or if they do read the contracts, they don't fully understand them. It isn't just King though. I've heard about Arum even letting up and coming boxers use his own lawyers or he'd even pay their lawyer's fees or something. So obviously, those lawyers would advise the boxers to sign.
And the boxers don't realize when they receive gifts or anything, they have to pay for a lot of that shit. Nobody just gives you a house or a car. And promoters charge A LOT for their services, obviously. I'm sure someone had to have read where McCline said he was there to avoid being fined $15 k by King. He said "fined" because that was the more truthful term for it, but it was really a fee to King for King promoting for him instead of him showing up.
These record companies do the same exact thing. Guys like Damon Dash and Russell Simmons. Musicians typically don't get paid anything like what they appear. Artists get about $1.60 per album sold. Very few artists have Platinum records.
But after that $1.60 per album, they have to pay tour expenses, advertising costs and a bunch of other hidden fees, equipment use and such. Then they have to have high priced lawyers for when people sue them or just for negotiations. They need agents to help manage them. And they need accountants to help them hold onto the money they do get to keep.
I know more about the recording industry than I do about the business of boxing, but from everything I can gather, it is fairly similar in the "screw the entertainer/athlete" department. People only show up for boxing to watch the boxers. Not the other stuff. Just like people only listen to Nelly or Britney Spears b/c they want to see/hear Nelly or Britney Spears.
Unfortunately the ones that making boxing great (the fighters) don't get the biggest piece of the money pie. The promoters do.
That's why King is bad for boxing. Not because he's hurting how many people watch boxing. He puts asses in seats, but then he doesn't put money in pockets...except his own.
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Whatever. Don King and Mike Tyson are the two biggest scapegoats in boxing. Anything wrong with boxing is either supposedly Tyson's fault or King's fault. That's just bullshit.
There have been plenty of controversial decisions that Don King had absolutely no involvement in. Plenty of Arum and DiBella decisions (as well as other promoters) have been very fishy.
Pacquaio clearly beat Marquez. But Marquez was the Arum guy. So Pac was given the BS draw.
Whitaker clearly beat DLH, but DLH was Arum's money man, so DLH won.
Courtney Burton undoubtedly lost to Emmanuel Augustus. Nobody can dispute that. One of the most one-sided fights in recent history where the other guy got the decision.
Why would King bribe the judges when both guys are his fighters? He just recently signed Golata, knows people fucking hate Ruiz. Golata would be the bigger money man. There's the potiential Golata vs. Bowe 3 rematch that King would love to bank on. If King wanted to screw anybody, why not Larry Donald? That was a much more important fight for King than the Ruiz vs. Golata winner.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying King is an angel. He definitely does bad. But he doesn't deserve all the blame every time something goes wrong. I don't see why King would want Ruiz to win over Golata at all. Ruiz vs. Toney or Klitschko would probably mean King would lose the WBA heavyweight title. Then he'd only have Byrd and Brewster as heavyweight champs.
King is a smart man. He can operate legally and he seems to be doing that right now for the most part. The only bribery I'd accuse him of is basically owning the WBA. Seriously, look at their recent track record with King in the heavyweight division. How else could you explain why Larry Donald was even in the top 10? Or Holyfield.
King is trying to figure out how to get that WBC title. He's got a bunch of mediocre heavyweights that he's hoping can lift the title off a just above mediocre heavyweight. Of guys available to him that are active, I'd say Byrd is his best bet. So he's screwed.
If he could motivate Tua, he'd have something. Tua from around 99-2000 would beat Vitali I think. I don't care for Tua too much, but lately I've liked him more just by comparison to worse guys.
I don't see why it is so hard to imagine this fight happening. Both of them have said time after time that they'll fight if big money is offered. Floyd's at 140 and Zab is still a small guy at 147, so it isn't like he can't easily make 140, or they could do it at 147. They'd probably fight at a catch weight under 147 (141 or something) if that were an issue at all, which it really isn't one.
I'd take Floyd. I like Zab better, but Floyd is just more refined I think. Damn I love his defense. And while I love Zab's offense, I think Floyd wins a decision. Zab would have to get the knockout to win.
They wouldn't be slapping. It'd get ugly before the fight ended for sure. It would be a great fight and there would probably be at least one rematch.
King has done more good for the sport in my opinion. He's kept it alive, even if barely. Like Tyson. And De La Hoya. Without these 3, especially Tyson and King, boxing wouldn't even be as small as it is now.
It'd be a full-fledged fringe sport, shown at like 2 am. Guys that we love now might not have even started boxing b/c it might be such a fringe sport that it might start only attracting shitty guys like Butterbean guys or Joe Mesi types.
You want to fix boxing? Max Kellerman has the right idea.
Teddy Atlas has pushed hard for that National Commission. I really don't care about a national commission. It would do only so much.
Instead of even worrying about a national commission, I like Kellerman's idea of having a private corporation like the NBA or NFL.
Let's have a fake name for it. We'll call it the WBL...World Boxing League.
All boxers get hired by the WBL and it operates similarly to the NBA. it has scouting, drafting, etc.
You have all of the current weight classes and one champion in each weight class. The WBL schedules and promotes every fight, thus making boxing promoters (the ones hurting the sport) useless and a thing of the past.
Fights would then make their way back to ESPN in higher profile, then back to Network TV very easily. We'd have Friday and Saturday night big fights for free.
The big fights would get made. What are the big elements keeping big fights from happening now? Fighters being with different promoters, different networks, and money.
In the WBL, all these problems become non-issues. No promoters, so no problem there. The WBL fighters would fight on any network the WBL had an agreement with, no problem there. Money...the WBL could set up some sort of negotiating system I suppose. Each fighter gets a contract to fight so many fights over a number of years or something. And each fight, the winner gets the bigger share of the money.
Then the star fighters could also get endorsements. This would help take care of any money issues whatsoever. Imagine Mike Tyson Nike's (Mikeys?)
Another thing, champions would not have to pay the WBL to hold its titles. Think about this. Boxing is the only sport that I know of in which the athletes pay to be champion. Sanctioning fees. There is something wrong with any sport in which you have to pay money to be able to hold the title, or to even be ranked.
The WBL...or something corporate like the NBA...this is the answer to fixing boxing and making it a popular sport. If nobody does it by the time I'm a rich and famous director, I'll try starting it up myself.
you idiots saying you're no longer a boxing fan after this are a joke. Screw you, fake ass fans. If that's your attitude, the truth is you're not real boxing fans anyhow.
Because a very stupid idiot got screwed out of a fake heavyweight title you're not going to watch boxing anymore? Or less? That's stupidity. You're going to quit watching? And this was probably the only fight card you've seen this year anyhow. Well...good riddance.
Golata has a big heart? LMAO!!! Whatever. No he doesn't. His pussy ass RAN literally from Tyson. And he was beating Bowe both times then went low on him for no damn reason except to be an idiot. And yeah, he showed lots of heart against Lennox. LOL, yeah he's a real lion heart warrior.
Come on. Who cares? It's Golata for crying out loud! Just another run of the mill "wasted potiential" stories. Another great white hype.
Okay also,
Phillips beat a better Tszyu.
Mitchell is better than Phillips ever was. Tszyu is probably worse than he was, somehow (which is amazing, being even worse than that). Mitchell may not hit as hard, but he hits a lot faster. Speed kills. So does coke, just ask Kurt Cobain. Oh wait, he's dead, nevermind.
I'm putting it all on Mitchell to knock Tszyu out...IF Tszyu even shows up.
I wish that option were available in the betting. That Tszyu will pull out, because he probably will. I refuse to believe the fight even happens until the bell rings.
Tszyu is a scared bitch and he's got what is coming to him the next time he steps in the ring with almost anybody, let alone Mitchell.
What is this silly junk about "Has Mitchell stayed too active?" Hahahaha, yeah, they make it sound like he's been fighting every month. He's been fighting a rather normal fight schedule.
Mitchell was schooling Tszyu with one leg and now that he has 2 legs and sees Tszyu for the bitch he is, Mitchell will knock him out. Or definitely win a VERY lop-sided decision.
However, I cannot get up for this fight because ultimately, I expect Tszyu to pull out...again. He is notorious for pulling out of fights. He pulled out twice against Judah, and twice so far against Mitchell.
In their first fight, Mitchell had a real reason to pull out, but didn't. He was injured the night of the fight, but went on anyhow. And if Tszyu hadn't cheated and kept throwing Mitchell to the ground, Mitchell would've easily won. He was clearly winning. Those judges, I know what they had it, but they were wrong. Anybody that watches that fight cannot say with a clear conscience that Tszyu won that fight.
What? I am shocked that all the Max haters (aka most people in boxing, definitely most people on BoxingScene) aren't jumping all over Max and making fun of him.
This was horrible. I remember after Butler hit Grant, Max still wasn't saying much bad about him at all. He spoke well of Butler when James was released from jail and had his return match.
Well, screw Butler. Call him the Guilty Hurricane. Cause he was heading for a journeyman career just like Hurricane Carter had (although the movie would make you think Carter was on the brink of doing anything special at all).