Wilder accepted a flat fee of 15 million. Absolutely unheard of in a fight of this magnitude. There's nothing else Wilder could have done to make the fight happen in 2018. Hearn simply didn't want it to.
Deontay has 1.6 million fans on instagram alone.
He's the only American born PPV star in all of boxing.
You sound ridiculous.
You sound really ridiculous, lolss. Just because he has 1.6million followers don’t make them all fans...lolss. I also follow him and many other boxers on Instagram that doesn’t mean I am fan of all them, you Wilder fan girls don’t want to see your champion destroyed just like Charles Martin, Grand pa Ortiz exposed Wilder, Fury exposed and beat him, AJ would snatch his soul and Ben crowned undisputed king of heavyweight if only Wilder signs a lucrative two fights offer currently sitting on his lap. BumSquat!
Joshua asked for 50 million and when given 50 million, still refused to fight.
Wilder agreed to 15 million and Joshua still refused to fight.
So now Wilder has moved on with his life and a Fury rematch will make him more money than he'd make fighting Joshua in the UK. Why should he go to the UK for *less money* than he'd make in the US? Typically you offer a fighter MORE MONEY to leave their country, not less.
Hearn has been rejected by every major American star. The biggest "name" Hearn secured is Jesse Vargas.
Sit back and watch DAZN take over PPV, most would rather pay 10 bucks a month than go watch Wilder run around with his right hand all night via PPV. With DAZN, it is more convenient actually subscribing than streaming is for free.
Couldn't care less what you believe.
If you feel strongly enough about it, bet me. Make it worth my while to lose my anonymity. Bet me $100,000 and I'll gladly verify everything I claimed.
100Gs cool money, up for it. How do we do this transparently in which if you don’t provide the information within a timeframe I get your money?
Joshua and Hearn have both admitted the offer was legit, but that Joshua preferred to take less money to fight at home. I guess you didn't get the memo.
That's a lie. The term sheet included all major points that would be typically included in a boxing offer sheet.
Fake news, provide facts AJ and Hearn say it was a legit offer, you lie so much you are beginning to believe all the lies and disinformation you spew! Stop taking the piss mate
wont happen hearn keeps pricing himself out so they will just do fury and wilder 2 and not deal with this clown hearn
Pricing himself out by what,sending a much improved offer with fights in the Uk then US?are people really this dumb???
#1 - You have no idea how much Wilder has made in his entire life.
#2 - Wilder would likely make more fighting Fury in the US, so why would he go to the UK to fight Joshua?
Wilder begged and begged and begged for the Joshua fight and did everything possible to make it happen in 2018. Hearn refused. Now Wilder has moved on. Sorry. If AJ fans don't have any riveting fights to look forward to, tough ****. Wilder and Fury fans have an incredible fight to look forward to next.
Wilder begging AJ? Hahahaha, any link to that? I wouldn’t wait because you are full of BS.
The only fighter that wanted the fight was AJ, Wilder was asking for 60% split in his favour, classic over pricing himself, yet you said he was begging.
Later he said 50% yet he has just one belt with about 5000 fans, he brings very little to the table except for AJ’s WBC belt.
Finally, the Fury fight got made cos Wilders many managers felt Fury was well shot after 3 years of being inactive snorting coke, the aim was to make Wilder’s profiles bit higher by fighting half fit cherry picked Fury but it turned out so badly that most boxing fans think Fury won and was robbed, after that awful showing any boxer with a brain should avoid fighting in corrupt USA, where Haymon has all the judges in his pocket!
So out of Wilder's 1.6 million followers, only 5,000 of them are fans? He has 1,595,000 haters following him on social media? He must be pretty famous for that to be possible.
You clearly comparing apples to pineapples here mate! You and I know Wilder is unknown in the US...In a country of 300m+ where Wilder have been a champ for how many years now just had his first PPV, isn’t that shameful?
No one believes you, you need more people!
AJ crying wolf now cuz his image is breaking!
AJ wants to be undisputed you beck something Wilder is chicken to be, AJ is coming for Wilder whether he wants the fight or not, AJ is currently in the US calling your champ a chicken, telling the world your chicken champ has been lying to you all simple minds, he has a contract with a two fight guarantee yet he is chicken to step up after losing to the Gypsy fat king Fury!
You dumb cvnt, both Whyte and Chisora where involved in a fight of the year and sold out a stadium which warrants a healthy PPV, they are both big stars in the UK, the UK supports their own you silly fan girl. Name one American HW currently that can beat Whyte, your champ Deotay doesn’t want that work, he has consistently told Whyte ranked number 1 that he intends not to fight him because he knows Whyte got a warriors heart and a punch could end Deotay, didn’t Hearn offer Deotay 7m to come fight in UK years back? Yet he settled to fight a grandpa who is a know drug
Firstly, I'm going to do you a favour. Jog off and watch Vargas vs Salido which was the real fight of 2016...if you know anything about boxing you'll thank me for directing you to it.
Secondly, the first fight was on the bill of an AJ fight so Whyte - Chisora didn't sell the stadium out. I'm quite sure AJ was the marquee name and his paycheck would have reflected that fact but why let facts get in the way of your argument.
Last but not least, it's not wise to bring up drug cheats when discussing Whyte...I'm sure the irony is lost on you.
Your Alabama drama queen got nabbed with weed in his car didn’t he? Talk about bong squat! Aside that, it took a Brit who has been outta the ring for 3 years to fight Wilder for him to showcase his first PPV, someone who has been WBC champ for how many years now???
Really sad you American lot don’t know you have a fraud as a champ!
Yes he did.
When you accept offered terms, then you are sent a contract. After Wilder accepted the offered terms, he was sent a contract lacking any language guaranteeing the fight would be next. Hearn asked for a few days to send a new version with a specific date. When the few days were up, Hearn told Finkel he'd decided to fight Povetkin next, and Hearn sent a contract with April 2019 as the listed date. That is when Wilder broke off negotiations and decided to stop pursuing a Joshua fight.
Shelly, is that you mate? You seem to know all the finer details of the goings between Hearn and Shelly Winkle...lolsss. Get a grip man, hope you defend your wife much same way you defend Wilder...lolsss...pathetic fan girl already drunk with taking the piss!
I just don't understand AJ. Just looking at him, he should be able to break Deontay Wilder's little body in half. What an irony? Huge guys with little balls and little guys with gigantic balls. Wilder has gigantic balls for a little guy. To defend his title back to back against two undefeated challengers with one being a lineal champion and with both outweighing him combined by more than one hundred pounds is downright ballsy with no pun intended.
Wilder, huge ball? Lolsss. Old man Ortiz then a fat Fury coming off 3 years of snoting coke and binge drink who weighed like an elephant last year,the reason your big balled Wilder picked him was because after watching his comeback fights with Pianeta and Seferi, they thought Fury was past it and well shot, using the lineal champ promotion to sucker dossers like you...you just can’t fix stupid now can you?
Hahahahaha....... Where is your prove?
Do your calculations let's see.
Very hilarious to see dumb Wilder fan girls pull PPV sales right off their behinds...lolsss...The fact remains without Fury, Wilder would not be on PPV, he would on free TV fighting the likes of Breazeale making 1.5mper fight...lolsss...some wbc champ you have there!
He's begging Wilder to take a ****ty deal.
If he was really hungry to be undisputed, he'd make Wilder a fair offer.
Wilder fan girls don’t want this fight made judging by their ignorant comments, didn’t Wilder say money isn’t the motivation? Hearn has offered a two fight deal, first in the UK then in the USA worth more than what wilder has made his entire life yet some bum who still lives in his mums basement (rent free of course) calls it a chitty deal? You Wilder clowns know Wilder got exposed, he is one fight from losing his WBC belt officially , despite losing to Fury. Does he prefer to lose to Fury or AJ? Time would tell.
Firstly let me take this opportunity to formally welcome you to Boxingscene. I see that was your first and only post? You are an idiot so I will keep this short and sweet.. YOU ARE AN IDIOT:439:
Lolssss that was some hooks to a newbie but would agree with you,that was some dumbass comment.
The only things dumb are your assumptions that I am a Wilder fan and that Whyte and Chisora are big PPV stars. Yes, they have fought on PPV before but that's due to the over saturation of the PPV market.
Neither of these two would have been near a PPV event ten years ago. That was for the elite fighters fighting for genuine world titles.
Thanks to Eddie H we have people paying for two sub world class fighters, in a domestic clash with no titles on the line.
I hear Eddie has some magic beans for sale if you are interested.
You dumb cvnt, both Whyte and Chisora where involved in a fight of the year and sold out a stadium which warrants a healthy PPV, they are both big stars in the UK, the UK supports their own you silly fan girl. Name one American HW currently that can beat Whyte, your champ Deotay doesn’t want that work, he has consistently told Whyte ranked number 1 that he intends not to fight him because he knows Whyte got a warriors heart and a punch could end Deotay, didn’t Hearn offer Deotay 7m to come fight in UK years back? Yet he settled to fight a grandpa who is a know drug cheat.
I've promoted fights for decades. Negotiated with fighters. Negotiated TV contracts. Etc.
Yea I believe as much as I am the king of Scotland! Or is that you Shelly Winkle? Old Anonymous Al Haymon is that you matey? If yes, tell you chicken fighter to step up and sign the darn contract, don’t worry you all get a fair shake of the deal!
40% thought Fury won, 60% didn't think he won.
20% thought Wilder won, 80% didn't think he won.
If Wilder had been declared the victor, then you could maybe cry robbery.
But when the official decision is a draw, and just as many ringside experts had a draw as had Fury winning, you can't cry robbery.
You clearly don’t know maths or you making yourself look dumb deliberately.
40% still greater than 20%, no matter how you try to spin it boy!
Hypocrisy at its finest, Saunders is forced to eat the humble pie, he is and always now would be referred to as a cheat like his buddy Fury, shame on him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTrXXJRVIM
29:20
Hearn says he didn't request proof of funds because he knows Showtime will guarantee it.
Hearn admits that Joshua's team is debating internally whether to take the money or demand a UK fight. Hearn makes it very clear the offer is real, they're seriously considering it, but that Joshua's team may not be willing to go to the US.
Lolssss..you just shot yourself in the mouth or foot..whatever, read slowly what I am about to write carefully to see who the joke in all this is.
Hearn's own words:
He said AJ wants to deliver this fight to his UK fans, he owes them that much since they have been with him when he turned pro and he wants the fight to go down in his own turf as the A side, in his own lion's den (in his own words)...bla blah blah
Kugan question: Have you seen the proof of funds?
Hearn response: No, I have not requested it. When we talk of proof of funds, it is not that i don't believe they can get SHOWTIME to send an email saying 'We guarantee you the 50m', but I got an EMAIL from Deotae Wilder, not from Al Haymon, not from Shelly Winkle or SHOWTIME but Deotae Wilder, a fighter...lolsssssss
My opinion,
Wilder promising 50m via email is a bloody joke, guess you didnt listen to that right? If Al haymon had 50m why didnt he just send an email, attach a contract while he is at it, get SHOWTIME to promise the funds and have it sent to Hearn, why must it come from a fighter who is not only dumb but unintelligent and does not have 50m??? You Wilder fan girls are a bloody joke, am done debating you, you need to be real and update yourself.
Begging even though he knocked back $50 million smh, this s*** is wak..
What 50m you dotard! Why didn’t Wilder and his many managers draft a contract and send over like how serious people do business? That offer was a sham and you ldiots know it.
And why would Wilder want to fight a cherry picked Fury gone bad fight? Else he thinks he lost the first fight...lolss
Fury is a good fighter, but he brings no belt to the table and the lineal crap holds no water, it comes with no body sanctioned belt, it remains a title.
AJ wants this fight all Wilder has to do is sign the darn contract and get destroyed come fight night in April.
Between, the Fury-Wilder fight has reignited Wlad, he is seriously thinking of coming back, he feels he can beat current belt holders and I don’t blame him, if Wilder can get beat by a Fury who was beige drinking,partying taking drugs for 3 years then he is very beatable, not forgetting Wlad given Wilder boxing lessons when he was invited into Wlad’s camp!
Percentage is irrelevant if Joshua refuses to fight where the most money can be made and refuses to allow the broadcaster offering the most money to air the fight.
If Hearn offers 35% of a UK fight shown in the US on DAZN, why should Wilder take that when a fair split would be 40% of a US fight shown on Showtime PPV? Why should he take $15-20 million for a fight he deserves $30-40 million for? What other fight of this magnitude was held in a location that would generate less than half of what would be generated in the most lucrative location?
That's not even true. The fighters would be splitting the profit after expenses.
You are so full of BS, what crap comment...after Fury was disgracefully robbed you think any champion would want to fight in USA promoted by that crook Haymon? Wilder clearly lost the Fury fight, in WBC, ShowTime, it was clear Fury won and that Mexican judge was a cheat!
Hearn and AJ offers Wilder a shot at history,two fights deal, to be undisputed yet he is bickering about money yet comes to the media crying it isn’t about the money yet girls like you give excuses, pathetic really.
He s probably not going to get knocked out off Fury, his team can still sell Wilder if he loses to Fury on points...they will paint it like Fury is the next coming of Sugar Pep jnr...but if Joshua blows him out in 3 rounds thats Wilder done...no one would want to see a rematch and it will be an all UK Heavyweight bonanza...it would anoint the UK as the boxing capital of the world and there is way to many people skimming money from the game to allow that to happen.
Only Wilder fans want to see Wilder-Fury rather than an undisputed fight with all belts in line. 2019 is the year we get to have a undisputed champion, Fury fight can wait, heck, Wlad is still sore at losing to Fury and is seriously thinking of coming back.
If we had AJ-Wilder fight come April, then Wlad-Fury II, that is a good matchup,winners fight each other while losers also fight each other... but you right, Wilder would rather fight feather fisted Fury in hope of having a single shot at KO.
BoxingScene spoke to numerous leading experts and while 40% did have Fury winning, 40% had a draw and 20% had Wilder winning.
No logical way to conclude that Fury was "robbed" when the majority of leading experts, 60%, didn't think he won the fight.
40% to %20 to me means Fury won or you don’t know your maths?
I'm rooting for DAZN more than anyone. They pay great and they put my product in countries it would have never been in otherwise.
But any objective observer has to recognize the serious serious flaws in DAZN's plan. The chances of DAZN being a long term success are very small.
DAZN is trying to be something the market simply doesn't need. The middle man in the future of sports when a middle man is no longer needed.
DAZN is good for boxing in general and what you just said is a bunch of bollocks, it would thrive in the USA for those who love boxing would subscribe, now your opinion about the middle man crap is just your own little hate fantasy.
DAZN aims to curb free streaming of fights Which most boxing fans can afford easily than looking for free streaming sites and the hassles that comes with it...finally, what do you know about business??? You clearly don’t know chit about boxing, read all your comments and you came across someone who is easily deceived.
I'm just laughing at the fact that you idiot brits still don't understand the difference between the Usa and UK. Wilder will earn more money fighting fury in Vegas than facing aJ at ****ty Wembley. After the rematch, Vegas will probably approach wilder about making Vegas his new fight home. Once that happens, wilder secures A Side
Blah blah blah ...the common determinant factor is “IF” he beats Fury but why would he want a chance at history to be undisputed pass him by? There isn’t any glory in being lineal champ, mention pass lineal champs apart from Fury!
Eddie Hearn is all smoke and mirrors. He's got the English public believing that Whyte - Chisora 2 is a PPV event, just like Bellew - Haye 1 and 2. I'm pleased AJ has decided to step away from the illusionist and say he wants the Wilder fight. Everyone knows that the aforementioned 'PPV event' is an eliminator for AJ in April. Unfortunately for Eddie, Wilder - Fury was a fight actually worth paying for and surpassed expectations. AJ realises he's missing the party as who wants to see him fighting a retread in Whyte or Chisora?
Whyte and Chisora are big PPV stars you muppet! Whyte - Chisora fight was entertaining with much power shoots thrown, your girl Wilder, a world champ for many years just had his first PPV courtesy of Tyson Fury in 2018, maybe you should keep your comments to yourself because you just came out as incredibly dumb!
I've listened to that interview many times. You must have missed the part where Hearn says he's been negotiating with Haymon and Finkel for weeks, negotiations are going well, he asked a bunch of questions about the 50 million offer, the questions were answered to his satisfaction, etc.
He explained why he initially was skeptical about the 50 million offer and the reason he was skeptical is because the offer intially came directly from Deontay.
But he clearly explains in that interview that the offer ended up being real and that he's been discussing it with Haymon and Finkel. That he never bothered asking for proof of funds because he knows they're legit and that Showtime would put up the money.
There's no way for any logical person to watch that entire interview and conclude AJ wouldn't have gotten his 50 million if he agreed to fight in the US.
Lolss...more BS from you, I listened carefully, the point I was trying to make is that if the offer was serious enough, they would have sent Hearn a contract first, every other thing is just bull! If Wilder himself had sent a contract, that would be cool but all he did was send a dumb email that he has 50m...didn’t you hear what Eddie said? Put it real slow then listen again.
Then again we hear ShowTime didn’t offer the 50m but BT sport was offering to but still didn’t send no contract, am I making sense here? If you want a fight badly, send a darn contract... as you claimed to have being a promoter you should know how shlt works...contracts are what defines and manages how a business pans out not an email address...am tired of beating this same response to you and stil you clearly can understand my point...did you really promote anything without first signing contracts??? Or at list letting your lawyers go through terms, agreements, contracts shlt like that?
Broner is an ldiot, he lost clearly evens blind bat would see that, seems he got hit too many a time for him to spew such gabbage, Pac-Man beats all too digger now despite being 40yr old!
Only drivers seat Fury is in is getting knocked on his ass twice. Name one ****ing HW Opponent out there that's more important than Wilder. (NONE). Not even that soft mentally weak boring ass Joshua. Wilder is the man🥊
Quit embarrassing yourself fan girl, Wilder was schooled by Fury that he has been crying to retards like you that he won. Both AJ and Fury beats Wilder any day anytime.
I agree, Hearn has walked Joshua the safest protected route and both made good money but now Joshua is being shown clearly for his failings and will be seen clearly as a runner.I'm all for these guys making loads but to listen to old man accountant Barry talk about his seven years plan for Joshua is pretty sickening
AJ is a unified HW champ at only 22 fights you muppet, he has beat Charles Martin, Wlad, Parker for IBO, WBA,WBO belts. Why didn’t Wilder call our and send contracts over this fighters if he wanted to fight the best? He is the most protected HW ever fighting bums.
AJ has also beaten Whyte,Povetkin,Breazeale who are all top 6 in the HW division.
Wilder after over 39 fights stepped up to fight old man Ortiz. And for your information, Ortiz docked AJ, took himself out as WBA mando to go fight skinny Wilder cos he felt he could beat the Bama bum!
Stop taking the piss you dosser and take your mouth outer Wilder’s puci