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I doubt many people are saying its wrong. But do you truly believe that Mayweather will include this type of testing in the rest of his fights from here on out? Do you not see the that Mayweather has a history of ducking fighters? Since this is about "fairness" according to Team Floyd, what was so fair about the Marquez fight when he blatantly came in overweight? If you fail to see the tactic being employed by team Floyd, perhaps you haven't been watching boxing for more than a year. It is stupid of you to suggest such a thing. If you ever reply to me again try addressing what I actually wrote. Let me state the facts for you. Whether I like Floyd, or Pac or any other boxer would not change the fact that THE BEST TESTING STANDARDS WOULD IMPROVE THE SPORT OF BOXING. Now, again, thats just the facts. Do you deny it? So Im not gonna get mad at Floyd for suggesting something that IMPROVES the sport. His motivations dont matter to me. His feelings dont matter to me. The sport matters.

If you don't care about Floyds motivations, you don't care about the testing period. You're more excited about seeing the Pacquiao name ruined by baseless speculation. btw, did the title fight at 145 between Chavez and Whitaker cheapen the sport? did the title fight between DLH and Hopkins at 158 cheapen the sport? No, I don't deny the best testing improves the sport, but I don't agree that it should be done for just one fight, which is the case here. So, now can you tell me, if the testing as it stands is so inferior seeing as its not "the best", how did Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. just get caught? Yes, asking the champ to come down in weight to fight for his title cheapens the fights. No matter who it is. I think that if you cant beat the Champ at his best then you dont deserve his belts. And yes, Pac would have beat Cotto at 147 as well. But thats how I feel about the weights. It is just a fact that urine tests arent as good and as accurate as blood tests. Thats just the way it is. I did not make that up, all PED experts say so. Why do you think they do random blood testing in olympics and in many states? For the fun of it? With that in mind, I think every boxer should have the right to demand the highest standard in PED testing there is. Im FOR anything that leads to and insures a clean sport. Whether Floyd is asking the tests or a nobody in his first professional fight is. Why should the boxers wait on commissions to clean up the sport? Its the boxers who are putting their health on the line, not those commission guys. And certainly not you and not me. So again, if you agree that the best testing is good for the sport, why are you against the boxers starting what is good for the sport by demanding those tests?

So how did Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. just get caught recently? I notice everyone floyd that question. In regards to your question, do you know for a fact that all fights from here on out are going to require more strenuous testing? I'm not against it for the sport at all, but do you really think its going to be for all fights? Where is the testing for Berto Shane? But since you've cared so much about better testing, why wait until now to demand it? Cheats have been caught all decade long. Not a single issue has been raised about better testing until now? Because you cats want to see Pacs name ruined.:fing02: Jr getting caught does not prove that the best testing is currently being used. Shane passed his tests too. Toney failed his. Some get caught and some dont, however just because some DO get caught doesnt prove that your testing is the best out there. Its a known proven fact that the olympics and cycling have the best, most thorough testing procedures. They miss people too, but they know that blood and urine tests are the way to go. Its just the science behind it. I never claimed that from now on every fight would have it. Where did you get that idea? My point is, a boxer is within his rights to ask for the best testing procedure out there to ensure that he is on a level playing field. Why? Because its his health thats on the line. Its the same logic behind having someone from your corner checking your opponents wraps. Why do YOU want to deny a boxer this right? And to be clear, blood tests are exactly torture sessions. Athletes all over the world have to deal with random blood testing. It hasnt ruined any careers so far. Hasnt put anyone on IR from what I can tell.

What kind of logic is this? Juts because something has never been done before its automatically wrong? Here is a part of history this guy forgot to mention. When Bowe wanted to fight Golota again, he asked for steroid testing cause he was suspicious, so they put it in the contract, Golota agreed, and from that fight on the Jersey commission which never tested for steroids before this fight, decided to do it for every fight. Just because Bowe was suspicious of Golota, who took his punches a little too well for his liking in their first fight. So was that a change for better or worse?

Is coming in overweight purposely better for the sport? You have to be quite naive if you think bettering the sport is the intention of Camp Mayweather. What part of "I dont care for Floyd's motivations" did you not understand? Did I not write it in English? I felt like Manny fighting for Cotto welterweight title at 145 cheapens the sport but Im not making it an issue for this fight. And yes of course Floyd not making weight cheapened his fight with JMM. Now Im going to ask you again. Do you deny that the best testing improves the sport of boxing?

it don't matter if you believe it or not but that's what boxers and their trainers think They don't have sex while training because they believe it will disrupt their training and make them weak. now think ab0out what a blood test on the day of the fight can do to a fighter. I dont have time for fairy tales. The truth is that the world we live in today, random blood testing is a must to keep sports clean. Thats just a fact. I didnt invent that. Are you saying you value more a fighters superstitions then ensuring a clean sport? And have YOU ever taken a blood test before?

He's a rag to riches dude who grew up in a third world country. It seems stupid to people in America, UK, etc. But look at places like Africa, they believe having sex with a virgin cures AIDs. Seems silly to us, but that's how shit goes in 3rd world countries. What you just said has nothing to do with reality. Pac has done blood tests before. He knows what they are about. He knows what they feel like. This isnt about superstitions man. Im sure you have taken blood tests before. YOU know what they feel like. Come on man.

Thats some bull. Mentally you feel it will weaken you Pac? A blood test? It takes you a couple of days to recover from taking a blood test? And you guys believe that crap?

Wait, you guys still believe what comes out of Roach's mouth? Hasnt he proved it to you guys enough times now that he never tells the truth in interviews?

as far as i am aware of, floyd wants unlimited random blood tests. show me a link where floyd agrees to unlimited random urine tests. Every single link to this story proves to you that any and all additional testing was proposed by Floyd. This automatically includes unlimited urine testing.This is not news. Every article states that Pac 'agreed' to unlimited urine tests. Well there has to be a request made for him to agree to it no? In other words, Floyd is pushing for unlimited, random testing. Urine and blood. Would he do that IF he cheating the system with lidocaine?

you should ask the nevada state commission why dlh has left off with nary a single sanction. he claimed to have sufferered from an injury. ricky hatton's camp wanted thorough pre-fight testing on floyd for lidocaine. guess what. floyd's camp opposed the tests. But YOU said Nevada already tests for it. How come Floyd has never tested positive for it? Why did Hatton's camp demand further testing if the NSAC already got it covered? Do you mean to tell me that Nevada's testing is inadequate? Afterall, its not as if we talking about a new designer drug they were unaware of.

yes. the same nevada state athletic commission that caught Dela Hoya using lidocaine for the BHop fight. have you grown tired of getting owned? So they catch Hoya without unlimited urine testing but they dont catch Floyd?

i read that. i saw blood tests. where's the unlimited urine tests? Floyd asked for olympic style testing done by the USADA. They already do unlimited, random urine testing. Just like they do unlimited random blood tests. Sorry to burst your bubble. So Floyd is trying to catch himself?

F this fight and F Margarito.

Xylocaine/Lidocaine use is also banned in Nevada. De La Hoya tested positive for lidocaine in his BHop fight. No sanctions were meted out, as he got KTFOd anyway by BHop - who would later join GBP. But Hops is not the one who would enforce the sanctions though. Since when is punishment averted because a fighter lost his fight anyway? Vargas still got it after getting his ass beat by Hoya. If as you say they already test for lidocaine and Floyd has not tested positive for it, he might be... innocent.

again, give me a link that shows mayweather agreeing to unlimited random urine tests. he wants unlimited random blood tests, which do not detect lidocaine use just before or during a fight. Again, ALL of the additional testing was proposed by Floyd. That includes unlimited urine tests. Do we agree that you cannot agree to something that is not proposed? Mayweather's camp wants blood tests that can find things urine tests can't, such as use of human growth hormone, and they want them done by USADA from the time the fight is signed until the fight is held. Pacquiao's side has agreed to both urine and blood testing, but doesn't want testing immediately before the fight because Pacquiao believes giving blood so soon before a fight will weaken him. http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/Pacquiao-to-file-defamation-lawsuit-122509

i'm saying he's trying to hide something. i support unlimited random urine tests on mayweather before and after his fights. state athletic commissions or the usada can handle the tests. the usada has private company that has developed technology that can allegedly detect various epos and banned chemicals by urine tests alone. So because he refused additional testing not required by the commission that means he is trying to hide something? Ok. So in your opinion Pac is also trying to hide something. What is he trying to hide? Oh, and by the way, unlimited urine testing was first proposed (therefore agreed to) by Floyd for the proposed Pac fight, in addition to random blood tests.

read my previous posts. i support pacquiao's willingness to undergo unlimited urine tests. floyd wants unlimited blood tests. pac wants unlimited urine tests. point two. has floyd tested positive for anything? if he is shown to be using xylocaine just before fights by the unlimited urine testing, all of his previous fight results are tainted. he has not tested positive yet to be using xylocaine before fights because he has not been subjected to unlimited random urine tests. his case is different from pacquiao's because as what i have mentioned. floyd is well-documented to be a lidocaine user. it is not an allegation, so there's impetus for more thorough tests on him. on the other hand, pacquiao has not been suspected of anything until mayweather senior accused him of steroid use despite knowing that he passed all tests with flying colors. in a gist, floyd uses an illegal drug. fact. Who was it who proposed unlimited urine tests to Pac? You have not answered this yet. Just a name will suffice.

floyd opposed more thorough tests for lidocaine. see the pre-hatton fight post i previously made. Ok. Are you saying he should have agreed? Do you think the NSAC testing is inadequate?

pacquiao has not tested positive for any EPOs, unlike floyd, who is well documented to be using a banned drug. pacquiao has okayed unlimited random urine tests. where have you been? Pac okayed it. Who was it proposed by? Oh. And you said Floyd has something to hide since he wont agree to ADDITIONAL TESTING proposed by his opponent. So Pac also has something to hide since he ALSO has not agreed to additional testing proposed by his opponent? I was unaware Floyd tested positive for anything. Can you fill me in on what he tested positive for and when?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DE+LA+HOYA+CUT+BY+HIS+CUT-MAN-a0122340014 http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24349 Lol, well there you have it. Its legal in Nevada as long as they aware of it and you have to explain why you are taking it. If they clear you then they clear you. Case Closed I suppose.

Seriously, its been NO secret that boxers have been caught using PED's in the sport of boxing. If this is REALLY a serious issue that the Mayweather camp is GENUINELY concerned about, why only NOW? Don't give me any of this "fight of the century" bullshit because EVERY MAJOR fight is important to a boxer's career. So with the possibility that any fighter could have been on PED's, why did they not ask in their previous fights, "hey, how do we know this guy isn't juicing?". Why, up until NOW, is the Mayweather camp questioning the integrity and credibility of NSAC? You guys can come up with all the reasoning and excuses in the world, but don't try to feed us the "Floyd, the knight in shinning armor" tripe. I see what you are saying, but do his motivations have to matter? If there is a better testing practice out there, I think a boxer has the right to demand it, no matter what his motivations are. Who are we to say what he can and cant demand when its his health on the line? And please stop with the "why only now" question. There is such a thing called progress. Why are YOU against it?

If he wants to lead by example then good 4 him. But to push whatever moral high ground you may have on others is complete BS. If you and I are both on a team and you run an extra mile a day that's on you. Itd make you a better player and a better person for it. I dont have to do it with you and you cant make me. If coach or the league says we all have to then that's a completely different story. To me, taking a blood test is not like doing extra work, or running an extra mile. So that comparison doesnt work for me. It takes 2 seconds and its a done deal. Maybe I will never understand because I do not happen to believe that those tests hinder performances. I just dont. Olympic athletes deal with them all the time. Ive dealt with them. Taking a blood test is not extra work. So as far as imposing something on others, (a practice that is age old in boxing, something Manny has done himself), I feel like blood tests are very low on the totem pole.

So let him volunteer his own ass for it without forcing it on anyone else until the idea catches on. I could start judging fights by a different scoring system, but unless it's formally adapted by a governing body im just an idiot watching a completely different fight than everyone else is watching. So like the other poster said, he is leading by example. Just like AA. And I dont remember the last time AA had an off-night due to the tests. More PED testing for boxers is a GOOD THING for the sport. Why are so many fans against that?

Excuses. Hype ain't working anymore. Casual fans like me don't want to be conned again. Expect the fight not to happen due to floyd's girly tantrum later on. Euh... you are actually proud to be a "casual" fan? When it comes to boxing "casual" equals "clueless". And Im not even trying to insult you dude.

Was it successful last time out?

wow...this shit is still going? floyd fans killin it... I am a Floyd fan. Its not so much that I give him credit for this fight. Im just happy for the sport that this fight is happening. But what I want to see is that the ones who always said he was too scared to fight Mosley ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG. Thats all. You make your claims as a man, when you are proven wrong then eat your crow like a man.

But indeed he is...didn't floyd stuttered when called out by shane inside the ring? Just because he signed the contract now doesn't still prove he's not SCARED of ssm! Look dude, no disrespect, but meet a few boxers, talk to them, train with them, get to know a few. Boxers arent scared of each other. Now thats just a fact. Floyd is obviously prudent to a fault with his career choices. I think thats obvious. But actually scared to get in the ring with someone? Not a chance. But look, if you hold on to your view, I suppose you are picking Mosley to win. After all how can you beat someone you are scared of? So let me know if you wanna make some bets.

i dont think hes scared of shane either,but nothing would surprise me with the guy,he cares more about money than he does his legacy some huge fights havent happened due to him not having that warrior mentality Its true he does not have a warrior mentality. Its true he cares more about his money then his legacy. But people need to understand that Floyd is getting paid very very well to fight Shane, first of all, and second of all even Floyd understand very well that a balance must be struck between legacy and money. This fight with Shane is a great opportunity to enhance his bank account, his legacy and his futur bargaining position with Pac. Its what we call a no-brainer. Sorry but he is not dropping out of this fight.

he hasnt even fought mosley yet,nobody would be shocked if he found a way to worm out of this fight No, only his haters would not be shocked if he pulled out of the fight. Thats because his haters are convinced he is scared of Shane. I dont happen to think he is scared of Shane.