Where does Canelo rank in the top 10 best Mexican fighters?

Might not be true, but watching his last performance against John Ryder it seems like he is going in the decline. My list would be in no specific order. Julio Cesar Chavez; 107-6-2 (85 KOs), world titles at 130-140. Defeated: Mario Martinez, Ruben Castillo, Roger Mayweather X2, Rocky Lockridge, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Rafael Limon, Jose Luis Ramirez, Meldrick Taylor X2, Hector Camacho, Greg Haugen, and Frankie Randall X2. Salvador Sanchez; 44-1-1 (32 KOs), world titles at 126. Defeated: Danny Lopez X2, Ruben Castillo, Juan Laporte, Wilfredo Gomez and Azumah Nelson. Ruben Olivares; 89-13-3 (79 KOs) world titles at 118-126. Defeated: Jose Medel, Takao Sakurai, Lionel Rose, Chucho Castillo X2, Efren Torres, Bobby Chacon X2 and Jose Luis Ramirez. Juan Manuel Marquez; 56-7-1 (40 KOs), world titles at 126-140. Defeated: Manuel Medina, Orlando Salido, Marco Antonio Barrera, Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz X2, Michael Katsidis and Manny Pacquiao. Erik Morales; 52-9 (36 KOs), world titles at 122-140. Defeated: Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Marco Antonio Barrera, Kevin Kelley, Paulie Ayala, and Manny Pacquiao. Marco Antonio Barrera; 67-7 (44 KOs), world titles at 122-130. Defeated: Kennedy McKinney, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Paulie Ayala and Erik Morales X2. Gilberto Roman; 54-6-1 (35 KOs), world titles at 115. Defeated: Paul Ferreri, Antonio Avelar, Jiro Watanabe, Kiyoshi Hatanaka, Sugar Baby Rojas X2, Juan Carazo and Santos Laciar. Juan Francisco Estrada; 44-3 (28 KOs), world titles at 112-115. Defeated: Brian Viloria, Giovani Segura, Carlos Cuadras X2, Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, and Roman Gonzalez X2. Vicente Saldivar; 37-3 (26 KOs), world titles at 126. Defeated: Ismael Laguna, Sugar Ramos, Jose Legra, Johnny Famechon and Howard Winstone X3. Jose Luis Ramirez; 102-9, (82 KOs), world titles at 135. Defeated: Edwin Rosario and Pernell Whitaker (controversial). He also had a controversial split decision loss to Alexis Arguello. Ricardo Lopez; 51-0-1 (38 KOs), world titles at 105-108. Defeated: Hideyuki Ohashi, Pretty Boy Lucas, Ala Villamor, Alex Sanchez, Will Grigsby and Rosendo Alvarez. Carlos Zarate; 66-4 (63 KOs), world titles at 118. Defeated: Rodolfo Martinez, Alfonso Zamora, Alberto Davila, and a very controversial loss to Lupe Pintor. Alfonso Zamora: 33-5 (32 KOs), world titles at 118. Defeated: Hong Soo-Hwan X2 and Eusebio Pedroza. Miguel Canto; 61-9 (14 KOs), world titles at 112. Defeated: Shoji Oguma X3, Betulio Gonzalez X2, Gabriel Abernal, Lupe Madera and Antonio Avelar. Alberto Arizmendi; 93-27-17 (KOs), world titles at 126. (Competed from 118 up to 147) Defeated: Battling Shaw, Freddie Miller, Chalky Wright X2, and Henry Armstrong X4s. Humberto Gonzalez; 43-3 (30 KOs), world titles at 108. Defeated: Lee-Yul-Woo, Chang-Ju-koo, Kim Kwang-Sun, Napa Kiatwanchai, Melchor Cob-Castro X2 and Michael Carbajal X2. Jorge Arce; 64-8 (49 KOs), world titles at 108 up to 118. Defeated: Thomas Rojas, Melchor Cob-Castro X2, Hussein Hussein X2, and Rosendo Alvarez. Lupe Pintor; 56-14-2 (42 KOs), world titles at 118 up to 122. Defeated: Johnny Owen, Alberto Davila, Jorge Lujan and Carlos Zarate. Rafael Herrera; 47-9-4 (20 KOs), world titles at 118. Defeated: Rodolfo Martinez X2, Venice Borkhorsor, Chucho Castillo and Ruben Olivares X2. Pipino Isidro Cuevas; 35-15 (31 KOs), world titles at 147 (at age 18). Defeated: Clyde Gray, Billy Backus, Pete Ranzany, and Angel Espada X3. Carlos Palomino; 31-4-3 (19 KOs), world titles at 147. Defeated: Everaldo Costa Azevedo, Dave Boy Green, Armando Muniz, and John H. Stracey. He also had a close split decision loss to Wilfred Benitez. Saul Alvarez; 59-2-2 (39 KOs), world titles at 154-175. Defeated (Have to add context): -Austin Trout -Erislandy Lara (Very controversial) -Miguel Cotto (Declining but was coming off consecutive wins, one of them being Sergio Martinez) -Gennady Golovkin X2 (Second fight is controversial and in the trilogy he was shot) -Daniel Jacobs (Rehydration clause) -Sergey Kovalev (Rehydration clause and declining) -Callum Smith -Billy Joe Saunders -Caleb Plant

Comments (20)

Canelo is Irish, not Mexican

2y ago

hugh_grant

Beat mungia and benavides and Nell be up there

2y ago

El_Escorpion

You can certainly compare Canelo to JC. There are even certain milestones that are similar, as my good friend headshots, before being institutionalized pointed out, both men lost to athletic black Fighters who were truly atg level with no caveats. And Chavez was very lucky to get the KO against another great Black Fighter who is kicking his ass. There's certain parity with those two. They sure have similarities, and there is no shame to losing to a accomplished fighter whose a HOF or ATG, Chavez didn't deserve a draw against Sweet Pea who Pernell should had won, no matter the style although that doesn't seem to be the mindset with modern fighters. Other than that, having similarities doesn't say enough if Canelo accomplished more than let's say Chavez, Sanchez or Marquez. Also not sure what none accomplished fighter you mean with Alvarez, do you mean the 36 year old Mayweather? Kirkland? Trout? Jacobs? Obviously, not Charlo considering he couldn't be actual opposition being two divisions below. Also doubt Chavez Sr got lucky beating Taylor considering how he basically hospitalized the golden Olympian suffering major brain damage. The stoppage might be controversial, but nonetheless Meldrick wasn't coming out the same fighter either way with Chavez Sr still accomplishing more afterwards.

2y ago

billeau2

2y ago

El_Escorpion

Wanted to revisit this thread, such a short period of time has passed since I wrote this but Canelo's behavior during 2024 has convinced me that he isn't confident on his ability to take on the most difficult challenges available. Basically whether he retires or not, I do not think he will do anything revelant in the sport anymore. While I think he did well by doing something such as climbing up to 4 divisions and fighting some top names like Trout, GGG, Plant and Bivol which is commendable. With 50-60% of his top opponents having significantly declined by the time he fought them (Cotto, Mosley and GGG) and applying stipulations (Lara, Jacobs, and Kovalev), it's difficult to think he deserves to be in the top 5. Of course he deserves a degree credit by beating them, but with such significant advantages I think it takes away from his legacy.

2y ago

El_Escorpion

Yeah, this is about my list, but I'd make room for Carlos Zarate on there somewhere. He was unbeatable in his prime. Guy was a certified badass. He even became the inspiration for a main antagonist (Jose Mendoza) in a Japanese animated show called Ashita no Joe. So did Ricardo Lopez (Ricardo Martinez), Juan Manuel Marquez (Alfredo Gonzalez) and Jose Medel (Carlos Medel) in a different animated series called Hajime no Ippo and Kengan Omega. Might be odd to point out, I just think it is interesting that they had this kind of influence in Japan. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","height":"200","width":"357","src":"https:\/\/imgur.com\/BXLyqDJ.gif"}{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","height":"200","width":"356","src":"https:\/\/e0.pxfuel.com\/wallpapers\/190\/378\/desktop-wallpaper-joe-yabuki-vs-jose-mendoza-final-fight-coub-the-biggest-video-meme-platform.jpg"} As for his record with context he beat: -Rodolfo Martinez a champion at 118-122 who defeated and derailed underrated Rafael Herrera, the same fighter had defeated Martinez twice prior to his defeat, Chucho Castillo, Ruben Olivares, Venice Borkhorsor (known for defeating HOF Betulio Gonzalez), and Bobby Chacon. -Alfonso Zamora, an Olympian Silver medalist who became a world champion who was 29-0 (29 KOs), he defeated Hong Soo-hwan X2 and Eusebio Pedroza who then went to defeat Ruben Olivares, Rocky Lockridge X2, Juan Laporte and Jorge Lujan. This was prior to Zamora turning 23 years old and getting derailed by Zarate. -Alberto Davila a world champion at 118 who beat Lupe Pintor, and Miguel Lora (who defeated Daniel Zaragoza). -Andres Hernandez a ranked contender who was winning the scorecards against Wilfredo Gomez until he got knocked out in the late rounds. -Very controversial loss to Lupe Pintor after his comeback fight against Wilfredo Gomez, the public had him ahead in the scorecards by 7-5. Lupe Pintor defeated Alberto Davila, Lee Seung-hoon and Jorge Lujan. Still though, I wouldn't know where to place him, likely 8-10, Saldivar, Estrada and Canto did pretty well for themselves though, so I am not sure.

3y ago

Regge

Top 5 and if he beats Bivol top 3

3y ago

The_D3vil

I think that despite that Canelo has wins over great fighters, putting physical limitations on declining fighters impacts his standing to a degree, his best version was at 160 in my opinion despite having fought only three times there (Cotto, Jacobs and Golovkin). Still a solid top 10, world champion at multiple divisions debuting at 154 to 175. His career isn't over yet. My list would be: 1. Julio Cesar Chavez 2. Salvador Sanchez 3. Juan Manuel Marquez 4. Erik Morales 5. Marco Antonio Barrera 6. Canelo Alvarez 7. Ruben Olivares 8. Vicente Saldivar 9. Juan Francisco Estrada 10. Miguel Canto Yeah, this is about my list, but I'd make room for Carlos Zarate on there somewhere. He was unbeatable in his prime.

3y ago

El_Escorpion

3y ago

HeadShots

Lol! Wow. Hang tight onto that stuff as China takes another step every single day towards taking over Europe and the Americans at a pace that has excellerated 1600% since Trump-Pence left office. The smart money says that within 20 years, all adult males over 5'6' 135 will be nutered or sterilized by order of the people's universal government. . insane manlet cope

3y ago

garfios

He has a good case for it. IMO he should just grab another belt off Badou Jack for another weight division and beat Benavidez and Charlo and he'll be set. I have to laugh, charlo is not even active and is a 160lbs, if he moves up is for a paycheck. And why grab another meaningless belt against a guy that would not get credit one way or another? Why not fight benavidez and Morell jr?

3y ago

Willow_The_Wisp

he's the greatest mexican to ever live. he proved that a 5'7 mexican midget can legit contend with 6'3 european genetic gigachads. None of his predecessors did that. All the previous mexicans did was beat up fellow 5'5 malnourished brown people. Who cares about fights below middleweight. Black and europeans don't come in that size. the only ones that small are the odd crack babies. He was the only one who fought who stepped up and raised the profile of all mexicans by fighting healthy blacks and whites at normal people weight classes. Lol! Wow. Hang tight onto that stuff as China takes another step every single day towards taking over Europe and the Americans at a pace that has excellerated 1600% since Trump-Pence left office. The smart money says that within 20 years, all adult males over 5'6' 135 will be nutered or sterilized by order of the people's universal government. .

3y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Good point about Sanchez. Still can't believe he was only 23 when he died given his resume. Exactly. Absolutely tragic. That dude was on his way to ATG level status.

3y ago

tritium_arma

He has a good case for it. IMO he should just grab another belt off Badou Jack for another weight division and beat Benavidez and Charlo and he'll be set.

3y ago

Johnny2x2x

Proably top 3 with Chavez and Sanchez. Sure, Canello has some close decisions and wins vs out of prime guys, btu so do all those toher guys too.

3y ago

pretty_boy_

I’m not Mexican so maybe my vote doesn’t count. Canelo will never be better than Salvador Sanchez. If you didn’t see him fight you can’t possibly understand how great that dude was and where he was going. Mind you, Sanchez resume is that good at 23 years old. Canelo also isnt better than Lopez imo. I would put him on the level with, but slightly below below Chavez and Olivares, given the volume of fights they both had. Good point about Sanchez. Still can't believe he was only 23 when he died given his resume.

3y ago

pretty_boy_

Top 5-10 I'd say. Chavez, Sanchez, Barrera, Morales, JMM and Olivarez are all time greats IMO. Head to head I don't think Canelo surpasses them as of yet. We'll see.

3y ago

HeadShots

3y ago

The_Big_Dunn

3y ago

hugh_grant

Hes good. His story isnt over yet. Hes in the discussion with JCC, Barrera, Morales and could be above them oneday.

3y ago