Why doesn't anyone in boxing play the heel?

I wasn't talking about Big George Foreman. Gorgeous George was a pro wrestler who called himself the greatest and too pretty among other braggadocio stuff Ali adopted. I see. I realized it and tried to delete my post, but I guess you responded before I could. I just saw the movie, "One Night in Miami", which referenced Ali taking a liking to Gorgeous George's style of showmanship. I don't know if you've heard of the movie. It 's about the friendship between Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Malcolm X and Sam Cook. It takes place on the night that they got together after Ali defeated Sonny Liston the first time.

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I think Teofimo Lopez is on his way to becoming a good "heel" as you describe it. People wanted to see him humbled against Loma but he pulled off the victory. Now Teo seems to be up on a high horse with his money demands but then again he's been able to back up his words so I think he's the guy right now. Plenty of people wanna see him lose and he seems to welcome that. I think he just needs to be smart with it, but yes, he is a good candidate.

I would say it cant be forced or faked you either have it or you dont. Its something cant be taught imo, you can become a better public speaker and everything but charisma shines through a way speaking well can never relay. Only caveat to that for me would be Colby right now. I feel like it isn't super natural for him. But he is smart and has a good gameplan with everything. I think that's a lot of what it is. Having some sort of plan with it. But yes having the gift of gab and some charisma is obviously necessary too.

You got guys like JCC Jr and Billy Joe Saunders too. They are already universally hated.

It seems to me like there are two classes of boxing heels... The brash trash-talker (think Ali, Money May after his "heel turn") and the mean, dirty fighter who ain't afraid to cheat (think Sonny Liston). Broner is pretty good at the former... Case in point his speech after the Pac fight which was straight out of WWE. As a matter of fact, I wonder why AB hasn't gone the wrasslin' route given his hopeless prospects as a boxer and talent for trash talk/swagger. Tyson Fury also has heel tendencies and potential (licking Wilder's bloody neck...). As for the latter... Nery and Benavidez come to mind as guys who shamelessly miss weight and, in the case of Benavidez, get caught playing with their nose.

I don't think Foreman was a heel per se. I think when he was young, he was just a big, mean, scary cat who KO'd most of the folks who dared to get in the ring with him. I wasn't talking about Big George Foreman. Gorgeous George was a pro wrestler who called himself the greatest and too pretty among other braggadocio stuff Ali adopted.

But you guys are right - it's really all about personality and charisma, which isn't easy to force really. I would say it cant be forced or faked you either have it or you dont. Its something cant be taught imo, you can become a better public speaker and everything but charisma shines through a way speaking well can never relay.

Charlo Brothers seem accepting of being the fighters people love to HATE especially Jermell Also think Teofimo Lopez can be that guy as well especially after beating Beloved Lomachenko. Also Teofimo Sr is a natural at generating more HATE upon them with his mouth I don't think anybody wants to be the most "HATED" however when you try to be the good guy and yet you still get a ton of hate, I guess sometimes it is just better to just accept being the bad guy Good point about Lopez Sr. He helps Teo in playing the heel role. The guys right though ,i think the thread should be more titled "why doesnt any of these idiots have a brain cell/personality?" Theyre not marketable theyre all boring as hell so they should be looking at being absolute dicks or shocking people if they want to make that mulah Look at Del boy chisora nearly 10 losses but since he haz that shock factor he gets good names to fight him and people start to believe in him pre fight Its not until after the fights youve realise youve had your money stolen Nobody has the charisma to pull it off. Keith Thurman probably could. He's quick witted and bright. Yes, I actually really found Thurman entertaining in the buildup to the Pac fight. That whole Trex arms thing was hilarious lol. But you guys are right - it's really all about personality and charisma, which isn't easy to force really. Not sure why people are struggling with this concept. Ask Chris Eubank Snr whether playing the 'heel' can be beneficial to your career. He made a fortune out of his countrymen watching to see if he'd get put flat on his back. Fury could definitely do it. In fact I think he has done it, and gone through his transformation. Yes, well said.

You need confidence and the personality to pull it off, today in boxing theirs is literally 0 fighters who can command the crowd when they speak,,, so no one is strong enough personality wise to play the heel. The last heel we had was Margarito, Floyd.

Ali literally stole his heel act from Gorgeous George... Exactly! Mayweather was basically Boxing Version of The Million Dollar Man https://www.fightsaga.com/media/reviews/photos/original/87/cb/80/ade842bd1c2218bc14aa48c83a4e586d-XL-26-1550688327.jpg So yes it does work if you can pull it off and make it believable

The "heel" only works if you have an opposite. Duran had SRL. Floyd had Manny. Tyson had Holyfield. Ali was completely different. He wasn't playing the heel, he converted to Islam and refused to go to Vietnam, which made people hate him. Rexy is right. You need charisma. You also need talent and confidence. Tyson didn't need Holyfield to be a heel. He was vicious towards all of his opponents and anyone who got under his skin, including heckler fans and even announcers. It's a part of his personality that he learned to temper as he aged. Ali was an ass towards his notable his opponents, but it was more of an act to promote the fight and get inside their heads. He was more of a hooligan than a heel, though.

Ali literally stole his heel act from Gorgeous George... I don't think Foreman was a heel per se. I think when he was young, he was just a big, mean, scary cat who KO'd most of the folks who dared to get in the ring with him.

Fury and teofimo can become global superstars if they fully embrace the heel role. They've got the boxing skills, talent and signature wins to start with. They just need that extra media heat on them to bring more attention to their big personalities.

Ali did it, with great success professionally and financially. Same for Floyd. Same for Conor in MMA. Covington doing it as well, though not on the level of those 3 financially. The heel role sells. Why doesn't anyone in boxing realize that, and capitalize on it? Broner was trying to do it, he just wasn't quite good enough to pull it off. That and Maidana, as he proved vs Floyd, was not exactly an easy matchup. Who could/should start being the heel? I think Teofimo Lopez is on his way to becoming a good "heel" as you describe it. People wanted to see him humbled against Loma but he pulled off the victory. Now Teo seems to be up on a high horse with his money demands but then again he's been able to back up his words so I think he's the guy right now. Plenty of people wanna see him lose and he seems to welcome that.

Huh? If you want a heel that puts on a show for you to be entertained, go watch the wwe then you casuals. Stop watching wrestling. OP is asking hom0sexual desires. Probably a Lance Lugmire intern at the Loeffler office. There is no playing the heel in boxing. That’s literally fictional role playing. Most elite professional boxers and whom are stars been boxing since before their teens, so they dedicated their whole life to it. It’s SERIOUS business and you can’t expect others to act the fool as if it were some theatre show like American continent commercial wrestling. The last GENUINE guys whom played the part were Jorge Páez and perhaps Mayorga. I want to say Camacho to JCC or towards DLH. That all debatable because if you’re a true Champion esque then your reserve the right to speak your mind. Some might call it ego, but that’s the tradition. Some prefer to stay humbled and just be a fighter without acting the fool. For example the Spartan approach you could be a mean badass but don’t have to act the fool. Ali truly believed he was better than Liston and proved his way through the Olympics. Some even considered him a non-patriot but then again what the point of the Vietnam War? Ali imo was a protagonist. Fury atm believes in his skills and is a softer version of Ali. Floyd was a loud mouth, but he was a bonafide Champion before he fought Oscar. Ali was considered the People’s Champ. An antagonist can’t be the People’s Champ. Now selling yourself to act the fool can be seen in various combat sports for unknown fighters trying to make a buck but these acts were reserved to showbiz foolery like commercial wrestling, FICTIONAL role playing which isn’t genuine character I named quite a few who played the heel, in boxing and MMA. You can also play the heel, in other mediums as well. If you guys think that 'playing the heel' only takes place in pro wrestling, then lol

Shakur Stevenson should adopt it like I said before. He's already much more unlikeable than both Errol and Bud, to me anyway. Seems to help to be able to dance well to be the heel also. He can taunt guys while they miss and people will want to see his weird little gopher face get punched in, but most guys probably won't be able to. Yeah you have a good point about him. Even about the weird little gopher face, really. You gotta have some wits, intelligence, and charisma to be a villain and guys like Crawford and Spence dont got it like that. Lmmfao at wanting Spence to be a villain. He is a mute and a country bumpkin with zero personality so how the hell is he gonna be a heel? Broner is too dumb to be an interesting villain. He is more fit to be that r3tardef sidekick , the scrub who sits passenger to the real villain. Davis is a mumbling idiot dude nobody can take him seriously as a heel especially when he is shorter than most women. Tyson Fury is totally capable of being the bad guy if he wanted to but he is stuck somewhere in between. You're right in a lot of ways. I guess the gift of gab isn't so easily acquired after all. You do need to have some quick wit and quick talking to pull it off. I think some of these guys could do it fairly well if they tried. They just seem too lazy if anything. Spence for example, he is a bumpkin. But he could talk about stuff that pisses people off when he talks, if he wanted to play it up. Could talk about his drunk driving stuff all the time for example. Make it a bit like Froch and his 80k at Wembley. Teo Lopez is kinda doing it. I like him, but then again, I usually like the heels, so maybe you're right. ...Wilder? I agree, he is trying. Wilder was a decent heel but after being defeated he's kind of lost that aura. Ignoring all the other obvious insanity. Teofimo doing a pretty good job too I guess since I lost money betting against him twice lol Yeah, good points.

The "heel" only works if you have an opposite. Duran had SRL. Floyd had Manny. Tyson had Holyfield. Ali was completely different. He wasn't playing the heel, he converted to Islam and refused to go to Vietnam, which made people hate him. Rexy is right. You need charisma. You also need talent and confidence. Ali is known to have modeled his persona after Gorgeous George, one of the ultimate heels. To say he wasn't a 'heel', I mean come on dude. He was just able to pull it off so well because he had a ton of personality. That's where the other stuff you mentioned comes into play - he was no shy wallflower; if he felt a certain way about something, then you would know about it.

A lot of them aren't playing though, they really are shytheals. Floyd, Broner, Gervonta, McGregor, etc. They were just being themselves. The ones who played it up for the media were guys like Mayorga, Edison Miranda, Fury.

David Haye done it soon as he became heavyweight Champion.