King Kong Ortiz Speaks Out: No Fight vs Joshua on June 1st

LOL weak. Randomly how am I a fanboy? Whyte is more a Matchroom/DAZN guy than with anyone else & has a good relationship with Hearn & is saying he's getting lowball offers. How can I be sh^tting on DAZN or Eddie when Whyte is basically a DAZN/Eddie guy? And I believe I also said in our lil back n forth that I thought Wilder lost to Fury. If I'm a PBC fanboy why am I dogging Wilder a posterboy for PBC? weak? lol i'm not having a contest here. what's weak is if you don't keep that same energy when hearn gives his side. regarding wilder/fury, i told you already. you twist facts well.

This sport is so disappointing at times. I'm tired of finding who to blame too, its just like give us good fights already. The only fight im looking for is Gennady vs Rolls who is an undefeated younger lion.

You don't know who the f#ck you are talking to if you think I'm a fanboy of any platform. I'm critical & hype all platforms as they deserve it & I see fit. Feel free to go look at my posts crapping on the issues with PBC. The fact your best defense to my stance is "your a fanboy" tells me you got nothing to back up your stance or to counter mine so lets just let this go & move on cuz its going nowhere if you can't counter your stance with anything. Again idk wtf people who aren't involved in the situation got to do with ANYTHING I'm talking about. I'm saying MULTIPLE people are saying the same thing about Hearn's strategy with HW opponents for Joshua that are dealing directly with Hearn. I think Hearn does great with all his other guys in other divisions, but he operates his Joshua project with softer hands it seems. And I've speculated myself at times that maybe its Joshua or Joshua's people who are tying Hearn's hands with Joshua sh^t idk, but generally imo the problems with making fights lands on promoters than anyone else so I lean towards Hearn being the issue more than Hearn saying Whyte or Wilder or Ortiz (if he claims that) is the problem or assuming Joshua is pulling the strings on Hearn. But I don't get your confusion with understanding how multiple people saying the same thing about Hearn & Hearn saying all those mfers are lying = well Hearn is as or more likely to be telling the truth than the other guys. Well no. Its more likely multiple people are saying the same thing from their own personal experiences that match up then the one guy they are making the claims against it saying is saying all those mfers are lying. Is it POSSIBLE Hearn is the one being a straight shooter & everyone else is lying. Sure. It is PROBABLE or the MOST LIKELY SCENARIO? No. Numbers matter. Thats why Bill Cosby didn't get in trouble when a couple ladies said he was knocking them out & he did get in trouble when he had like 50 ladies saying he was knocking them out despite the proof both times being pretty lacking. tl;dr. you do twist facts and posts pretty well though. just keep that same energy when hearn gives his side of the story, since you're "not a fanboy" .

You time travel from 2015? Who the f#ck is saying Haymon is violating the Ali Act these days? And wtf does anyone care what random internet mfers are saying about those things. I'm talking about Whyte is saying this. I'm talking about Wilder has proven this by the increase in his offers after a f#cking draw that I thought he lost. Big Baby has said it. I'm sure I'm forgetting a name or two. Those are guys who'd know. Josh from Louisville who spends his day leeching off his parents at 35 in his old room while having sh^t opinions about boxing isn't anyone who really is a source of legit info. i'm talking about you, not josh. i know you are a pbc fanboy, but will you keep this same energy when hearn gives his own side of the story? after all, you want to claim to be a logical, fact-based random internet message board poster. i'm just using your logic on whyte, wilder, and others. people such as eddie hearn, whyte, whom you mention, trainers, retired boxers and others in the industry are saying all those things, so does that mean they are right?

Ortiz challenged for 1 world title for 500k - 750k and lost. Ortiz then fought Cojanu (#131 on boxrec), Kauffman (#99) and Hammer (#17). Ortiz then turns down a shot at 4 world titles for $1m - $6m. SMH Haymon must have promised to match the offer and guarantee the Wilder fight next. AJ truly is the boogeyman of the division.

You're assuming there was no attempt to counter or that the final offer wasn't still a lowball offer. There was no mention of counters happening or not happening. or this wasn't the last of many offers or even that the first offer was deemed the only offer by the sender of the offer so idk where you are getting your take from. I'd add that a lowball offer can even be a lowball deal since in this type of situation its HIGHLY unlikely Ortiz was just offered the Joshua fight & thats where things end win or lose. Its a virtual lock there was a rematch clause with potentially a unfavorable cut or similar purse as in the first fight. Its possible the deal included options after the fight win or lose the main fight or win or lose the rematch also. Basically this sh^t is waaaaaaaay more complicated & detailed then most boxing fans wanna realize & accept is what I'm getting at. Its mostly a lot of he said, he said type sh^t since we don't actually get to see the facts of the situation & determine the merits of each sides take for ourselves. The one thing I do know is there are a lot of mfers from friends to foe of Hearn who's saying these Joshua offers are often lowball-ish. Maybe everyone is conspiring against Hearn &/or Joshua by saying that sh^t idk, but usually the more people are saying stuff the more likely it is to be true. lots of people now say the following: - wilder is a fraud - wilder ducked joshua - al haymon is violating the ali act - spence is ducking crawford - tank is ducking tevin farmer are those true? hearn is going to respond. when he does, will you keep the same energy you have here? will you take him at his word?

lots of people now say the following: - wilder is a fraud - wilder ducked joshua - al haymon is violating the ali act - spence is ducking crawford - tank is ducking tevin farmer are those true? hearn is going to respond. when he does, will you keep the same energy you have here? will you take him at his word?

Hearns doesn't make lowball offers and Ortiz said earlier he would fight AJ for free just to get the belts. It doesn't ring true. AJ would knock him out anyway.

It's sad to see all the excuses from Ortiz for being unwilling to take the AJ fight. Should have just stuck with the original "not enough time" excuse. It would be a bit more dignified. They offered Ortiz 500K. Clear duck by Hearn/AJ

The market has gone up since then. Miller was going to make 6.5 million, Fury is making millions to fight Shawrtz, Joshua is making 32 million, and Wilder is making from 12-20 million to fight Breazeale. :lol1: :lol1:

You're assuming there was no attempt to counter or that the final offer wasn't still a lowball offer. There was no mention of counters happening or not happening. or this wasn't the last of many offers or even that the first offer was deemed the only offer by the sender of the offer so idk where you are getting your take from. I'd add that a lowball offer can even be a lowball deal since in this type of situation its HIGHLY unlikely Ortiz was just offered the Joshua fight & thats where things end win or lose. Its a virtual lock there was a rematch clause with potentially a unfavorable cut or similar purse as in the first fight. Its possible the deal included options after the fight win or lose the main fight or win or lose the rematch also. Basically this sh^t is waaaaaaaay more complicated & detailed then most boxing fans wanna realize & accept is what I'm getting at. Its mostly a lot of he said, he said type sh^t since we don't actually get to see the facts of the situation & determine the merits of each sides take for ourselves. The one thing I do know is there are a lot of mfers from friends to foe of Hearn who's saying these Joshua offers are often lowball-ish. Maybe everyone is conspiring against Hearn &/or Joshua by saying that sh^t idk, but usually the more people are saying stuff the more likely it is to be true. There are also a lot of Haymon/PBC shills posting shit like this.

I don't know what he was offered but if they wanted a credible opponent to save the show on a short notice they should at minmum offer him what Miller was getting If Michael Hunter is offered more than Ortiz that would be a shame

Did you get hit? yeah i thought so.

Ortiz has had 368 amateur fights, he won awards in 5 Cuban Championships, 3 International Championships. Ten years as a professional, 32 heavyweight fights, his only loss to WBC Champion Deontay Wilder, one of the most action-packed heavyweight title fights of the decade, selling over 14,000 tickets at the Barclays in NYC. He was the #1 candidate for a NYC-based heavyweight title fight. How the hell AJ would get 32 million and Ortiz only 2 million? That's disrespectful. If I was Luis I would spit in Eddie's face. Luis don't need AJ, he can make more money fighting a Deontay Wilder rematch or a showdown with Tyson Fury. Ortiz never won a single individual medal in a major tournament as an amateur and he was paid $500k for his title challenge against Wilder.

Hearn famboys are just like Trump supporters. It's impossible for them to admit he's a liar. Hearn isn't a liar. Everybody else is lying on him What is he lying about now?

Rematch agreement?? The guy is 40 ****ing years old and clearly near the end of the road. He isn't in any position to be picky over small contract details. My guess is he was promised a Wilder rematch and he figures that is an easier fight. He already swerved AJ to fight Wilder once, so that's very possible. And there is no reason for the challenger to expect to be given a rematch clause in a voluntary defence.

Luis Ortiz speaking to Boxingscene February 6 2019: “So look, if you want to fight I’m here and stop saying I priced myself out because I’ve never had no offers to fight you. With all respect to you for all you have done, I’ll fight you for just about any money you offer me so if you can’t work out the Miller fight, I’m here and ready. I’ll fight you in the USA or UK. It’s on you and if you think you’re that good and want to test yourself who better than me? Wilder and Fury are not available and I believe in my heart to be the best you must face the best." Luis Ortiz April 23 2019: "Hearns low ball offers will not be accepted" All that talk from Ortiz turned out to be nothing but hot air. This is so disappointing.

QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! that´s all I hear from this tool Ortiz

They're bitter no contract was sent, yet they say they only got low-ball offers. Sounds like the Ortiz camp had two excuses lined up and forgot to pick which one they're going with.

We can now forget that this clown even existed. Three title shots and he turned them all down. Where is he going to get that kind of chance again? He just made himself irrelevant now.