How come it's always Al Haymon not willing to put his best vs other promoters' best?

A few years ago at 122, Rigo's promoter was willing to put their best guy vs Al's best guy, Santa Cruz, but Al wasn't willing. At 126, Al let Loma-GRJ happen when Loma was coming off a loss looking poor, but that's the only time this has happened. However after Loma beat GRJ, Haymon didn't make any more unifications with his other best guys at 126 vs Arum's best. At 130, Al seemingly learned his lesson and refused to put his best, Tank, vs Arum's best, Loma. At 135, Loma called out Mikey, but Al or Mikey never seemed interested, and Mikey went to 147 to fight a PBC guy instead At 140, not applicable on either side recently. Was either all Haymon guys, or all non-Haymon guys, at the top recently, it seems. If Prograis is with Haymon then there's a story to get into with him, Ramirez, and Arum, but Arum was willing to make the fight, just wanted to build it for a year. That's different than being unwilling period or waiting for guys to get old, which seems to be the Haymon way. At 147, Arum is willing to put his best guy, Crawford, vs Al's best, Spence, but one of Al's spokesmen, Leonard Ellerbe, laughed at the suggestion and said they had no interest at this time. At 154, all the top guys are with Haymon. At 160, Tom Loeffler was willing to put his best guy, GGG, in his prime, against either of Al's top guys, Quillin or Jacobs, in their primes, but Al didn't. Al wasn't even willing to put Quillin vs Korobov, Arum's #1 guy at 160 at the time. At 168, I don't remember any of the top Al Haymon guys facing the best guy at 168, Andre Ward. At 175, Kathy Duva was willing to match her best, Kovalev, vs Haymon's best, Stevenson, but Haymon didn't do it or even make Stevenson vs Beterbiev in house. At cruiserweight, all the other promoters it seems were willing to put their best guys in season 1 of the WBSS tournament, but not Haymon with his best, Tabiti. Only after Usyk moved up is Tabiti fighting in the WBSS. At heavyweight, the Klitschkos were willing to fight Haymon's best, Wilder, last era, but Wilder "wasn't ready." Now Hearn's best, AJ, offered to fight Wilder for a 120 mil deal on DAZN, and Wilder turned it down. It seems in almost every case, every other promoter is willing to put their best vs Haymon's best in each weight class, but it is always Haymon who is unwilling to do it. Why?

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When it comes to Floyd you are one of his most protective so you are no better than what you are accusing me of. You never call out people that s**t on other promoters fighters but if it's Haymon you get very defensive. Posting facts when posters lie isn’t being protective. The problem is that because it’s Floyd, you and others Not only knowingly lie about what happened but will also sit silently when another poster lies. I didn’t accuse you of anything, just pointed out that you contribute to the negativity as much as anyone. That is completely untrue. When a Haymon card is bad I say so. Go check those threads. What unfair biased criticism do other promoters face? The issue is that people criticized Haymon from the time his venture was announced. Then they welcome it when what he tried is copied. That is bias that needs to be discussed.

7y ago

chrisJS

How are you any different? There are posters that don’t support fights unless it’s someone not affiliated with Haymon. You never call those people out. If someone criticizes Loma, you take that criticism personally as if he was a member of your family. You passively label posters you think are not Loma fans as “those people”. You are just as much of the problem as the posters you point out. When it comes to Floyd you are one of his most protective so you are no better than what you are accusing me of. You never call out people that s**t on other promoters fighters but if it's Haymon you get very defensive.

7y ago

Boksfan

Wow, Al Gaymon really is the cancer of boxing!

7y ago

The_Big_Dunn

At 126, Al let Loma-GRJ happen when Loma was coming off a loss looking poor, but that's the only time this has happened. However after Loma beat GRJ, Haymon didn't make any more unifications with his other best guys at 126 vs Arum's best. The bolded is inaccurate. The fight was mandated and had to happen. Regarding Haymon it's weird. He has a lot of fanboys. They act like he invented boxing and makes every fight the fans want at the drop of a hat. I don't doubt he treats his clients well but not many are building the type of legacy their fans want and they aren't consistently making great fights and working with other promoters to make great fights the way his fanboys act like he is. His fighters completely shoot down the thought of it which I'm sure is on instruction. He's yet to build a fighter from the start of their career to a hall of fame fighter or a great fighter because they aren't interested in that type of thing by the looks of it. That's fine if their priority is businessmen before boxing but what I don't get is the fanboys bragging about the money other men make. As fans of the sport that want the sport to be popular and succeed long term we should be rooting for great fights, great fighters and for the well being of the sport. It's boxing not boxers. Sadly in 2019 the average boxing fan has moved into the boxer fan. I mean just look at this place. How are you any different? There are posters that don’t support fights unless it’s someone not affiliated with Haymon. You never call those people out. If someone criticizes Loma, you take that criticism personally as if he was a member of your family. You passively label posters you think are not Loma fans as “those people”. You are just as much of the problem as the posters you point out.

7y ago

pillowfists98

Haymon has really been ****ing the fans over recently. Standing in the way of fights people want to see.

7y ago

The_Big_Dunn

Ever since Haymon talked about bringing more boxing on TV, there is a group of boxing fans that have demonized him unlike they have any other promotional or management company involved in the sport. When other companies, promoters and networks try to duplicate what Haymon tries to do, the same fans celebrate it. Those that don’t celebrate it at least are open to the concepts. Why are some posters so adamant that Haymon fail?

7y ago

chrisJS

7y ago

Mister_Wolf

Haymon is no different from any other manager/promoter wanting to keep all the money to themselves. Its an old racket. The thing is Crawford has already fought multiple Haymon advised fighters its Haymons blue chip talent that wont fight Crawford. At the end of the day Haymon works for his fighter not the other way around. If Spence, Porter, or Thurman truly wanted to fight Crawford then it would get made. Jacob's made his fight with Golovkin. Khan made his fight with Canelo.

7y ago

JohnCastellanos

Haymon is doing what bob wished he could be doing if he had the roster. It sucks for boxing and I hate it too but let’s not make it look like arum all of sudden is a hero but he was the one having all the fun with his in house fights for in the past. True don’t make it seem like Bob Arum is getting played because he does the exact same shet! Only one promoter that’s taking risks and that’s Golden Boy and Eddie Hearn is willing to work with others but they don’t want the platform to succeed so they’re freezing him out

7y ago

BillyBoxing

Haymon is good for boxers but bad for boxing. Why? Because he's marketing hyping his fighters very well making them fight soft touches for big money. Who the eff have beaten Spence, Wilder, Charlos, tank? Nothing really good Yet they're famous and rich, so good for them. But they aren't really building some greatness for their legacy at this point.

7y ago

Jubei

Haymon is the worst thing to ever happen to boxing and some pathetic corporate slaves defend the shady criminal who violates the Ali Act. Haymon is the reason boxing more and more turns into an irrelevant niche sport in the US. If there were more real boxing fans and less biased corporate slaves, tribalists and racists out there, boxing would be in a much better spot. Sadly these bottomfeeders make up a good amount of the boxing community.

7y ago

Tom_Cruise

All the big promoters are bad, but I think Arum and Haymon are the worst (in that order). Arum/Haymon/Hearn seem to me to have way too much control over their fighters career. They all have in-house managers which is basically an infringement of the Ali act in everything but name. All are able to put their own business interests over those of their fighters an convince them its a great idea. Unless the fighter is extremely headstrong or has good people around them they often go a long with with it.

7y ago

lopetego

Haymon is doing what bob wished he could be doing if he had the roster. It sucks for boxing and I hate it too but let’s not make it look like arum all of sudden is a hero but he was the one having all the fun with his in house fights for in the past. Yeah Arum was bad, still is, but Haymon is worse At least Arum is willing to work with other promoters for the occasional superfight PBC makes more mismatches too, they're reluctant to even let their top fighters fight each other, what's the excuse for not making Stevenson vs Beterbiev? PBC was responsible for Danny Garcia vs Rod Salka

7y ago

The_tucker

because Haymon and PBC are a cancer for boxing they want to profit off nothing but mismatches and in house fights the fans and the sport be damned Haymon is doing what bob wished he could be doing if he had the roster. It sucks for boxing and I hate it too but let’s not make it look like arum all of sudden is a hero but he was the one having all the fun with his in house fights for in the past.

7y ago

The_tucker

Believe me if bob had the stable haymon has no other promoters or fighters would exist to him. Let’s be honest khan is the best opponent available to Crawford right now and after this fight what is next for Crawford? nothing exciting so bob is going to have to look on the other side of the fence.

7y ago

lopetego

because Haymon and PBC are a cancer for boxing they want to profit off nothing but mismatches and in house fights the fans and the sport be damned

7y ago