when theres a potential 2 mil buys and 160mil in US ppv money on the table

... 2 mil buys and 160mil in US ppv money aren't that difficult to get, in fact...

HAHAHAHAHA. What delusion. Give it up man. bob arum just told you he was smart to turn it down....but you only believe bob when says als WWs are ducking Crawford right?!?!? right!!! LOL DAZN showed their cards...they set the cap on the downside of AJ/wilder...that's what they offered wilder....the highest possible number that reflected their possible downside theres more money for wilder to make in the ppv model and they know it...that's why they flashed a number and hoped wilder would jump...cept his people aren't that dumb...in fact they aren't dumb at all DAZN wasn't "hoping" wilder would be worth 40 mil....hope is not used as a tactic...that's their projected downside if the fight doesn't do as well as they project..theyve shown their cards 50/50 and AJs getting his head blown off...and DAZN knows it which is why they were desperate to control the whole fight!

potentially..... do you go flat fee on a non ppv subscription model? oh youll charge 20 bucks for a month subscription? oh nice...so your gonna leave potentially 60 bucks a head on the table? so what if the 20 dollar price tag entices more viewers and it does 4 mil in subscriptions for the month? do the fighters, wilder in particular, get an upside cut?!?!?! nope! he doesnt....LOL.... HAHAHAHAHA. What delusion. Give it up man.

Only PPVs to ever surpass 2 million buys: Mayweather vs DLH Mayweather vs Canelo Mayweather vs Pacquiao Mayweather vs McGregor McGregor vs Khabib That's it! Not even Mike Tyson was able to surpass the 2 million mark against the likes of Holyfield and Lewis. So can this fight do over a million buys? Yes, that is certainly possible. Would have been more likely had Wilder beaten Fury in the rematch. But I'll buy it can do more than a million buys, sure. Price it at $85 and have it do around 1.2-1.4M buys and then have it do around the same in the UK? Then yeah, both fighters can make more than 40M, and closer to the 50M mark.

Isn't 2 million buys about what Mayweather vs Canelo did?

Imagine thinking this fight would sell 2mill ppv

AJ vs Fury would do huge numbers. AJ vs Wilder would do huge numbers Wilder vs Fury wont. As long as AJ is involved the fight would get massive. Who is the real star here and who is the side attraction? In your opinion Fury/Wilder won't make money. It takes two to tango It takes Canelo vs GGG to do big numbers. They can't do those numbers on their own.

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer. When Wilder emailed the 50 million offer to Joshua, it included all of the major deal points you would expect in an offer. MONEY: 50 million guaranteed PPV UPSIDE: Over 100 million UPSIDE SPLIT: 50/50 REMATCH: No rematch clause for either side LOCATION: Venue of Wilder's choosing DATE: Mutually agreed upon date between September and December 2018. INTERIM FIGHTS: No interim fights allowed. Hearn publicly stated he responded with several questions and that Haymon answered all of his questions satisfactorily. The deal not happening had nothing to do with lack of details. The deal didn't happen because Team AJ decided they weren't willing to fight Wilder in the US and they declined his offer. Which is fine. AJ is the A-side. He can do whatever he wants. But he shouldn't have said give me 50 million and I'll sign tomorrow if he didn't mean it. He didn't believe the fight could really generate 100 million in the US and dared Wilder to call his bluff. Wilder called his bluff and AJ didn't keep his promise. So AJ deserves to have egg on his face.

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls. I didn't realize that when wilder fight aj that fury would actually be showing up for aj lol U aren't bright....judging by what ggg did in his ppv's against other he wasn't worth sheet to canelo ,...but u out him with canelo and people are interested........it's common sense anyone with a brain could see....which is why it flies over ur stupid face Aj and wilder together isnt wilder vs fury or brezeale or ortiz,,,,and aj vs wilder isn't aj vs povetkin miller or anyone else.....can u grasp this very simple concept yet u dolt?

AJ doesn't bring 90%. The fight because they are the two guys everybody wants to see get together in the ring. If AJ would bring 90% of the viewers then he doesn't financially have to fight Wilder AJ vs Fury would do huge numbers. AJ vs Wilder would do huge numbers Wilder vs Fury wont. As long as AJ is involved the fight would get massive. Who is the real star here and who is the side attraction?

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls. AJ doesn't bring 90%. The fight because they are the two guys everybody wants to see get together in the ring. If AJ would bring 90% of the viewers then he doesn't financially have to fight Wilder

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls.

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer. I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree? also..to add to my last post from what i know/remember..correct me if im wrong eddie just said he never received a contract...now we all know that guys send term sheets...all major points are agreed to and then if both agree an offical contract is sent wilders side say they sent a term sheet.....hearn has only disputed that he never received a contract in taht twitter spat eddie just kept saying he never received a "contract"....but espinoza alluded to a term sheet...which had all the important points and details in it.....

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer. I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree? that depends who you ask wilder side said they sent a detailed term sheet....which most of us know that both sides agree to terms before a contract, official, is drafted.... the thing is...all they had at DAZN was a meeting....and wilders side couldnt even get a number on AJs number/portion....id be willing to be my life that AJ's numbers were detailed in the term sheet wilders side sent...or at least his guarantee and percentages with upside.....wilder couldnt even get anything on AJs side there are also reports that wilder couldnt even get a guarantee the AJ fight would be next for both guys after these fights....that seems crazy ...not sure i put a ton of stock in that report but it has been floated the whole thing is a mess really at this point....but i tend to go with the side that seemed to geuninely be interested and willing previously like ive said...DAZN has basically told u what wilders low end worth is...because DAZN would assume the risk you spoke of previously...they have to believe, in downside, wilder is worth at least that much....they arent using hope as a tactic....their research would indicate thats wilders lowball value at least.....which would probably tell wilder that hes worth more its especially fishy to me DAZN wasnt going to tell them what AJs deal in this looked like....thats very important to wilder and to wilder signing any deal with DAZN you have to admit...that alone is cause for wilder to not sign anything...for all he knows AJ is getting much more plus upside that wilder himself isnt being offered.....transparency on what AJs cut of the two fight deal would probably go along way into getting wilder to get in the deal.....but then again DAZN might be hiding something that might make wilder walk even faster the whole thing strikes me as odd....remember how eddie called wilders 50 mil a publicity stunt designed to sway the public...im not so sure this is much different...maybe its genuine and earnest....but they sure is alot of uknowns...at the least they could divulge what AJ would be making under this assumed deal....at least to wilder himself....not to us

thats why i find the whole offer and "wilder is obvi " ducking absolutely sad...no one can provide details of the deal and what it is...im assuming no more than you are That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer. I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree?

Where did it say it was the total for the whole fight? So who was going to promote the Wilder-Breazeale fight? Matchroom? Golden Boy? Who's going to collect the gate money fo DAZN? There is no chance Wilder is going to let Matchroom or Godlen Boy promote his fight. you dont have the details of the fights or the offer.....you cant prove that they didnt wanna let matchroom promote the fight....the same way dibella does it for haymon with wilder in fact DAZN might not have even broached that topic in the meeting...they might not have even gotten that far thats why i find the whole offer and "wilder is obvi " ducking absolutely sad...no one can provide details of the deal and what it is...im assuming no more than you are

DAZN is the one taking the risk... theres virtually no risk on wilders side.... and yet DAZN just put $250m into a pot to bring this risk about whilst Wilder who you say had no risk on his side knocked back the chance of securing his family's future guaranteed no matter what his performance and and even if all three fights bombed he still took what, 2, then 4 then 4 times his best ever paycheck along with a chance to be undisputed and on the way to a billion dollars? Do you understand how that doesn't convince?

oh there is a risk...no question but ive already made my argument on that DAZN is the one taking the risk....theyre paying AJ 20-20+ a fight.....hes part of their brand....a big part of it...having AJ working with them, even if its a fight by fight basis, is a boon to them...they need star power.......if he loses they are flushing money down the drain when still in their infancy and they arent seeing great returns yet theres virtually no risk on wilders side....he fights a stinker it is what it is....he loses? they dont lose much.....those guys at showtime and al will soldier on......but hearns power in boxing will be diminished and DAZN would lose a face of their program again...i dont base my guesses on what guys did previously with other guys......other AJ opponents arent wilder...and other widler opponents arent AJ AJ was/is already known in the states...this fight has had a building buzz from at least a year ago....AJ has been over here doing pressers in NY for a few years now...hes been on radio and ESPN recently.......there is buzz here...i know...im from here....i know a bunch of casuals that have been talking about this....guys asking me at work when i think, if i think, it will happen AJ only needs this next fight....to do well... and the fight will do very well...not saying it def hits 2 mil...but even if it doesnt it will be close when you put two guys together sometimes its special....i dont care what wilder/fury did.....or whatever...its like saying "khan/canelo" only did 600k...or "lemieux/ggg" only did 100k....or "canelo never headlined a ppv before no way will him and floyd kill it"....or "floyd only sold like 300k ppvs no way he and oscar break records"......wilder/AJ are a perfect combo 1. Are you happy the fight isn't agreed? It was one "yes" from Wilder away. I'm surprised you aren't bummed out over that. 2. Do you think in a one off fight after Joshua-Miller/Wilder-Breazeale on PPV would pocket Wilder $60m or more?

All these assumptions... First off, you should acknowledge the risks. Wilder did 350k with Fury, AJ has yet to feature on US PPV. So you are highly optimistic at 2 million. Secondly, if the first fight is awful, say one man KO'ed in 20 seconds or alternatively a 12 round boring tactical battle with dodgy scorecards at the end, then the take on the second fight could be badly affected. So you need to assess the 100m on offer to Wilder in the context of transferring those risks to the broadcaster. Finally, this was an offer that actually existed and to which AJ would sign up. Whereas you have a theoretical deal and split with Showtime to which AJ hasn't agreed AND MAY NOT. So you are actually discussing nothing as yet whereas the DAZN offer had the advantage of actually existing. Risk number 3. No A side, no fight. Maybe AJ doesn't fancy PBC's scorecards? So, you'd make a better argument if you'd shown that you'd considered the considerable downsides as well as the theoretical best case upside... furthermore to add to my last reply the risk factor is taken out of it when you look at DAZNs offer....DAZN isnt making that offer it they arent confident in what it will do.... even their deal is a huge risk by your thought process......and they arent just throwing out guaranteed cash on "hope" HOPE IS NOT A TACTIC im still a bit stumped as to why they wouldnt let wilder know what AJ would be getting.....theres something fishy about that....to me it says they were probably looking to give AJ upsides that they wouldnt guarantee wilder any https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-boxing-mma-newsletter-20190319-story.html

its not common sense at all....far from it...you want it to be finkel said they couldnt get a number on what AJ was gonna make...prob because they were gonna funnel upside to AJ ....but wilder was taking a flat.... it was a fight over...it was not a tv deal....show me where it was a tv deal.....you dont have that info or proof anywhere......you are just floating "common sense" so it sounds like you have a leg to stand on Where did it say it was the total for the whole fight? So who was going to promote the Wilder-Breazeale fight? Matchroom? Golden Boy? Who's going to collect the gate money fo DAZN? There is no chance Wilder is going to let Matchroom or Godlen Boy promote his fight.