It's crazy how commentary can sway people to see their bias.

Everytime I go to watch parties almost always everyone is agreeing with what the commentators are saying and even with the unofficial score cards. Promoters know this so they are able to rob fighters without much backlash. Casuals are easily swayed but this site also proves that even the hardcore fans can be swayed. Maybe not as easily but still swayed to the point where "it was a close fight, it could have gone either way" Even if you saw with your own eyes the other fighter clearly winning. So I agree people are swayed by the commentators. I'd argue that people are swayed more by their personal biases. I find that bias manifests itself only moderately when it's "their guy" who is fighting. But when it's their HATED guy - whether it be personal, or a nationality or race they truly dislike - it seems that they will never be swayed by watching the fight. That guy they hate could win the fight in a first round KO and they'd be making excuses. For instance, there is the group of the very same jokers who think every fight involving an American is somehow fixed and then whine loudly the day/week/month/year after. I also think that people and some commentators don't know how to score a fight. They confuse theatrics with ring generalship. They confuse plodding forward with effective aggression. Neither matter and yet people seem to think that somehow these should win fights. Personally, I've gotten too old for favorites and even those very few guys I dislike I'm able to understand my own biases so I can better consider their performances. I've found it actually makes watching the fight much more enjoyable when you're rooting for a good fight far more than you're rooting for a particular person to win.

If you actually thought Horn won then you don't know what wtf you're talking about. The world knows Pacquiao got robbed. Even if the punch count was off a bit they said Pacquiao landed twice as many punches as Horn and Pacquiao damn near knocked him out. That's winning. You don't see many champions rushing to Australia to defend their titles there do you now? You have this ongoing war against America but the UK are worse and more famous robbers than America. The scorecards for your champions fighting visitors are often a bad joke. I won’t debate about a horn/Pac robbery, but almost knocking a guy out in a round doesn’t automatically = a win on the cards. If that’s the case, then Judah was robbed I’m his first fight with Spinks

I personally didn’t see porter do anything last night but yes commentary is there for a reason. HBO is more guilty of this than anyone. You can watch a fight on hbo and the guy who is getting his azz beat around the ring, they’re telling you that he’s not getting his azz whipped. And people actually believe it.

I also forgot to mention the replays. They'll replay the a sides best work after every round.

The Horn-Pacquiao fight is the best example of this. The Americans were screaming robbery and the rest of the world didn't know wtf they were talking about. :lol1:If you actually thought Horn won then you don't know what wtf you're talking about. The world knows Pacquiao got robbed. Even if the punch count was off a bit they said Pacquiao landed twice as many punches as Horn and Pacquiao damn near knocked him out. That's winning. You don't see many champions rushing to Australia to defend their titles there do you now? You have this ongoing war against America but the UK are worse and more famous robbers than America. The scorecards for your champions fighting visitors are often a bad joke.

Everytime I go to watch parties almost always everyone is agreeing with what the commentators are saying and even with the unofficial score cards. Promoters know this so they are able to rob fighters without much backlash. Casuals are easily swayed but this site also proves that even the hardcore fans can be swayed. Maybe not as easily but still swayed to the point where "it was a close fight, it could have gone either way" Even if you saw with your own eyes the other fighter clearly winning.I haven't seen the fight and it sounds like it was such a lousy fight that I may never watch it. It sounds like Ugas probably should have won a close fight. Before making such a huge bet on Ugas you should have considered the possibility of Ugas winning but losing on the cards. Porter was the big name fighter who was much more likely to get favorable scoring in a close fight. You can't count on fair accurate scoring anymore in today's boxing world and the power of the promoters.

This is true, announcers in boxing are worst then any other sport. It's not about describing the action and letting fans determine who is winning it's becoming agenda based painting a bias picture. If you are not a boxing fan or understand judging and just watching for the first time you will think these announcers are gospel and will repeat whatever they say even if it's BS. The more you watch boxing the more you understand most of these guys talking don't know shyt and what they say doesn't matter.

Race? Who said anything about race?I meant to say nationality.

Charlo was blatantly robbed vs Harrison. Then the other Charlo clearly edged out Korobov in the next fight and everyone screamed robbery. There is no parallel there with the fact that Ugas clearly beat Porter last night. It's just terrible judging, has nothing to do with the fighters or their race. I think you watched those fights in the wrong order. Tony Harrison was the one wearing the tiger print and snapping Charlo's head back all night with counters, and dancing around all of his swings. Korobov was the White Russian guy who made the other Charlo look like an emotional fool.

Absolutely. Commentators, unofficial scorecards, even the noise of the partial crowd.

Charlo was blatantly robbed vs Harrison. Then the other Charlo clearly edged out Korobov in the next fight and everyone screamed robbery. There is no parallel there with the fact that Ugas clearly beat Porter last night. It's just terrible judging, has nothing to do with the fighters or their race. Race? Who said anything about race?

Not for the 1st time either. Seems to happen on most PBC cards these days.Charlo was blatantly robbed vs Harrison. Then the other Charlo clearly edged out Korobov in the next fight and everyone screamed robbery. There is no parallel there with the fact that Ugas clearly beat Porter last night. It's just terrible judging, has nothing to do with the fighters or their race.

Everytime I go to watch parties almost always everyone is agreeing with what the commentators are saying and even with the unofficial score cards. Promoters know this so they are able to rob fighters without much backlash. Casuals are easily swayed but this site also proves that even the hardcore fans can be swayed. Maybe not as easily but still swayed to the point where "it was a close fight, it could have gone either way" Even if you saw with your own eyes the other fighter clearly winning. This is a great post because it is such an interesting point of discussion. Commentators really bring a tremendous amount of influence to a viewer's perspective in the same way a loud and hostile crowd will. When 'their' fighter does something positive, or supposedly positive, the commentator / crowd accentuates the moment by mentioning it or accentuating it by being louder. Meanwhile, any good work by 'the bad guy' goes unremarked and therefore far less noticed by viewers. Max Kellerman is very sneaky and does this in every fight he is covering. Always has an agenda for one fighter and works his comments accordingly. Best example of a crowd influencing a contest I think might have been Froch V Dirrell. It was a close fight but Dirrell probably doing the cleaner work (I'm a Froch fan but....). Dirrell had no fans there and Froch had thousands of noisy supporters. Froch won on the cards but he would never have gotten the nod stateside. I know quite a few Brits who watch fights with the sound off, or they'll rewatch with no sound.

I think HBO was the first to master this and as time went on it became almost disgusting how they’d try and influence the public’s opinion of the fight; which almost always worked Now it seems every platform has followed this formula , Even Showtime who I thought always gave a neutral representation of the fight now not so much, Espn bias for their A-side makes HBO look unbiased and is so blatant it’s hard to listen too. To properly score even a somewhat close fight you need to pay uninterrupted attention to the whole 3 minutes. Most people dont do this especially if watching with a Group. most will rely on the commentary to help them decide what’s happening and who’s winning the fight . But can’t be trusted if the Platform has a agenda to protect their A-side at all costs making the house fighter look good is the Commentaries agenda it’s easy to do even if they’re losing. Never mention and ignore when the B-side lands anything of significance or just ignoring them all together when commenting on the fight . Over react and hype to what the A-side is doing/Saying punches land when they don’t. Just Another in a long list of reasons how the sport does a disservice to its self and why its a niche sport.

True, I was watching this fight and if I had just listened to Lennox Lewis, I would think Porter was making Ugas miss everything. Lennox Lewis shamelessly backing a pbc fighter? No way 😂

At least a draw but a Majority Decision for Ugas with Cards of 114-114 and 115-113 for Ugas would have been the best call. I don't think it was a robbery but the judge scoring the last round for Porter is very shady. It was a close fight, you don't think it was a close fight?

Pbc couldnt afford to have one of their american champs lose so they robbed ugas. Not for the 1st time either. Seems to happen on most PBC cards these days.

Yeah i like him but he lost. Good post, my man! Green K.

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I thought Porter was the only black American fighter you liked. If so, I'm glad you are being just and telling it like it is. That decision was criminal! :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: "Dude, shut up!"