Chavez Jr downfall was Vada testing

Riiiiiiiiiiight. For me it starts and ends with not having any talent. But you can certainly have your pick. He also doesn't have heart, motivation, work ethic, technique, boxing IQ... Spin the wheel and you cant miss.

They need to just allow peds. Fights will be better. No they shouldn't, because then you are punished for not cheating.

I would say lack of dedication to the game is what got him, I think he does have some talent and certainly has toughness. He just never had that work ethic and that ability to keep his nose to the grindstone to truly make the most of the abilities he did have. Those abilities may not have been the greatest but he certainly could have got more out of them. You cannot rewind/undo YEARS of poor discipline and lack of consistent training in one camp, no matter who your trainers and coaches are. Chavez Jr is probably too old and too set in his ill disciplined habits to remedy them in time to salvage his career. Another point, lots of people rant about how much shame Jr brought on his fathers reputation, even his father has criticised him. His father must also share part of the blame for this as, when Jr was growing up his father obviously did not instill discipline in him!

Chavez Jnr's only downfall is being a lazy, entitled POS.

Well, Chavez sr did quit like a punk a couple times, against Frankie Randall and in his very last fight against some bum but he was well past his prime when that happened so maybe he gets a pass You can't be serious! His last fight, after a 25 year career (Fight 115?). By the way Frankie Randal was fight 89 after 14 undefeated years! You must me a moron! So would you say Muhammad Ali punked out against Larry Homes for failing to come out after the 10th round? Fighters today don't fight 50 fights in a career let alone going past the century mark!

I don't think vada testing much to do with it. Some factors, that I think might've played a role include: 1- jr. Is not being good enough to compete against Canelo. 2- he absolutely sucked at the style he tried to use against Canelo 3- I think he wasn't at his best at that weight, but it wouldn't have made a significant difference 4- He shouldn't have tried to box Canelo and should have gone out making it a fight. At least he would've been part of an entertaining fight.

SR had the heart of a lion! JR has the heart of a a Dandelion! :bottle: Well, Chavez sr did quit like a punk a couple times, against Frankie Randall and in his very last fight against some bum but he was well past his prime when that happened so maybe he gets a pass

There's another thing that Canelo's exemplary performance showed us. And that is just how great Floyd Mayweather was in the sport. We all know Canelo has matured and improved since then but Mayweather made beating Canelo look easy. The present Canelo is ready and should give us a great fight with Golovkin.

His downfall was the weight loss and the fact that hes a mediocre fighter with no heart SR had the heart of a lion! JR has the heart of a a Dandelion! :bottle:

Chavez Jr's performance was embarrassing. Canelo was using him as a heavy bag. I think it was Team Chavez perpetrating a big scam. We all know GB wanted this fight because Canelo would be sure to win, but this was ridiculous.

Ahhh! Spoken like a true PAC head!why bring up pac you fuking weirdo? instead of guys who have actually been caught using peds.

The main fact being lost in all this was... Even on his best day, Canelo beats his ass & does the same chit to him every time.

His downfall was the weight loss and the fact that hes a mediocre fighter with no heart

the weight drain got him, we all knew that was a wildcard coming in. the hate lets fools become clowns cause ttheir thirst to hate takes over. Does chavez suck and embarrassed himself? yes. but lets not go making up damn theories. he was AT LEAST 4lbs drained! What was his excuse for the Martinez fight? He was 4lbs. Lighter and he was equally as inactive save for the last round. Both his trainer and his conditioning coach claim the weight wasn't an issue, he's simply a mediocre fighter who's the son of a legend.

I would say lack of dedication to the game is what got him, I think he does have some talent and certainly has toughness. He just never had that work ethic and that ability to keep his nose to the grindstone to truly make the most of the abilities he did have. Those abilities may not have been the greatest but he certainly could have got more out of them.

He has no heart and he sucks. That's a bad combination.

So the fact that he sucks had nothing to do with it?

pfff the testing is a joke, random odds whether you get caught or not he's just a spoiled "kid" who partied, showed up, went back to partying

They need to just allow peds. Fights will be better.