I think Swift and JMM are actually quite similar. And their styles have a lot in common and their careers are eerily comparable.
Obviously, the main similarity I see is their counterpunching skills. Sure, there are some counterpunchers out there...but both swift and JMM are known for their power. Without checking, I believe they have similar KO rates.
Their counter punches are accurate and sharp.
They plant their feet and punch. Garcia is thought to be more flat footed. JMM in his featherweight days did move his feet but I wouldn't call it fast footwork. It's average at best.
They both like to exchange in the pocket. They like when their opponents stay in front of them and punch WITH them. They'll take/absorb punches to land their own.
Garcia had close/disputed decisions with Herrera and Peterson. While JMM had close decisions with Chris John and Norwood. Garcia-Thurman played out quite similar to JMM-Bradley fight.
They both have trouble with guys who move and who have faster feet than them.
They both have taken their share of light touches which many people hated. Garcia had Salka...Jmm had LIkar Ramos and Fedchenko.
Swift just needs his version of a Pacquiao...well Amir Khan was basically it. But I think Swift would do well against a Shawn Porter type.
Anyways, what do you think?
I think Swift and JMM are actually quite similar. And their styles have a lot in common and their careers are eerily comparable.
Obviously, the main similarity I see is their counterpunching skills. Sure, there are some counterpunchers out there...but both swift and JMM are known for their power. Without checking, I believe they have similar KO rates.
Their counter punches are accurate and sharp.
They plant their feet and punch. Garcia is thought to be more flat footed. JMM in his featherweight days did move his feet but I wouldn't call it fast footwork. It's average at best.
They both like to exchange in the pocket. They like when their opponents stay in front of them and punch WITH them. They'll take/absorb punches to land their own.
Garcia had close/disputed decisions with Herrera and Peterson. While JMM had close decisions with Chris John and Norwood. Garcia-Thurman played out quite similar to JMM-Bradley fight.
They both have trouble with guys who move and who have faster feet than them.
They both have taken their share of light touches which many people hated. Garcia had Salka...Jmm had LIkar Ramos and Fedchenko.
Swift just needs his version of a Pacquiao...well Amir Khan was basically it. But I think Swift would do well against a Shawn Porter type.
Anyways, what do you think?
I didn't read, but no, they're not similar.
Nah, Marquez counters in combinations and with more accuracy, when he counters with single shots they're usually straight punches, whereas Garcia counters with hooks. Marquez is just better all-round, he's sharper, smarter and harder to beat.
Danny definitely takes a better shot tho.
"The thing that makes Marquez a unique counter puncher is that he opens up and invites you to hit him instead of being stale, that is when he baits you in and counters you. He is always is two steps ahead of you on when to position himself to counter and avoid getting hit at the same time." - Joel Diaz
Great quote. Garcia's inability to bait Thurman is what caused the lack of action. He relies on his opponent to create mistakes or throw a combination so he can punch with them and catch them in between putting punches together.
I was thinking the other day this could have been a fun fight because of a lot of the differences. Both are very good counter punchers, but Marquez is a lot better in combination and better footwork. Danny would have a size advantage. It would be interesting to see Marquez try to set him up for counters.
That said Marquez is at a much higher level than Garcia's ceiling.
No way. Garcia is a midrange hooker that uses timing to get off. He stands flat footed to gain leverage on his shots.
Marquez sets traps, baits you in his range and gets off combinations.
Two totally different types of counterpunchers.
JMM is also better at creating countering opportunities, because JMM can at least lead decent he can set guys up for his counters a lot better. Plus JMM understood how to move into a dangerous position so the other guy would jump at that but JMM would be ready and waiting to attack.
Garcia really doesn't do anything like that
Without looking at numbers (as if they mean much) JMM is/was the busier fighter than Garcia. JMM was a counterpuncher like Garcia, but he countered with combinations.
I would say that he was a more accurate puncher too. The one big similarity is that neither guy likes coming forward and will always look their best against a guy who comes forward.
Marquez doesn't have bad defense, his legs have been shot since his fight vs Diaz.
Every fight he fought after the Diaz fight and during that fight, he fought on shot legs.
That's how fcking good he was. he doesn't move much because he fcking can't.
Really if he had good defense why has he been light up in nearly every fight...
The guy is a great fighter... he has recuperating powers like wolverine from x-men. Beautiful puncher, but defense is not his strong suit..
Go back and watch a prime Marquez at feather and he was getting tagged.. manny hit him with the same straight left like 9 million times in a row in the first fight
Marquez is WAAAAAY more specific about how he picks his punches. Danny literally swings hooks for the fences in every exchange. Yeah they both counter punch but danny always looking for the wide looping hook.
Their footwork is different too