Canelo-Smith fight is in the 250k-300k range for PPV buys, 600k less than Cotto.

Not unexpected.

I dunno why ppl think this is a flop. Canelo and Cotto usually get about 300k when fighting weak names. They aren't Mayweather or Pacquiao. What do you mean? They're the reason Mayweather sold so much didn't you know?

300k vs a no name, Golovkin got 97k. Canelo is at least 3x the draw. 75-25 split is fair. except Ginger Flop didnt do 300k I know reading is tough, but those werent really even that big of words in pugmires tweets.....

Pretty much what I estimated he'd do w/ Smith, if not slightly better. Don't know how anyone was gullible enough to believe 62k. Wishful thinking I suppose.

So basically Canelo is good for at least 300k-350k PPV's every time he fights. That's not bad. Can't believe people are saying 300k is a flop when it's double 150k. And add the $10 mil gate is 4x's more than $2 mil gate. Only in these GGG fans minds is this a flop. They wish it was a flop. Golovkin fans have issues with reality.

look at this guy here... its a flop when its manny tho right? LOL. Manny Pacquiao was guaranteed $20m for his fight; Alvarez took $3m, his Mexico TV money, and what would seem to be a 80/20 split with Golden Boy on the entire proceeds from the event (if the Schaefer deal is still the similar structure for Alvarez's current deal). Yes, that was a flop for Pacquiao.

It's hard to tell whether 300k figure is good or bad in this case. On the one hand Canelo had almost everything working against him, the opponent, the undercard and his recent decision to hand over his title and put off the biggest fight he could make for at least 12 months, unlike Mayweather and Pacquiao who used the possibility of a showdown as bait for all of their fights from 2010-2014. On the other hand, Canelo has gotten about as much exposure as anyone by fighting the most recognisable fighters in the sport (minus Pacquaio), yet without these other names his figures have continued to fall even as he fights on the biggest fight nights of the boxing calendar. If the event did sell 300k then I think Canelo is probably the only fighter that could have pulled off these figures given all the circumstances surrounding it. The question is whether his appeal is going down and what this means for a potential showdown with Golovkin whose appeal at least appears to be rising. We will probably have to wait and see what happens when Canelo fights again, presumably against a more well known opponent in May, possibly David Lemieux, to determine whether his numbers are being affected by his choice of opponent and/or his temporary(?) refusal to fight Golovkin.

Canelo also need a name 'b' side to make good money. @$65, even a 300k PPV buys total would generate nearly $10m net off of the PPV, plus whatever the proceeds from the live gate was, plus Alvarez's Mexico TV deal. Clearing $20m for the fight (against an opponent who basically had zero US profile) isn't a bad night of work.

Is this satellite numbers only? Or cable included? Satellite only; generally speaking, the folks taking the earliest jump on guessing at the PPV usually take the first satellite number, estimate the satellite vs cable audience split, and then project the "full number range". The initial cable numbers won't come out for another week or so, giving a better secondary guess at the final number, and then it's down to the official counts coming in (usually determined from the first three months of paid bills coming in)

Early returns on satellite trends show the @Canelo @LiamBeefySmith fight is in the 290k-310k range for PPV buys, about 600k less than Cotto.— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) September 22, 2016 Update! My sources say new numbers just in ensure @Canelo @LiamBeefySmith is more likely in 250k-300k range.— Lance Pugmire (@latimespugmire) September 22, 2016 Check it! No way that garbage dump of a fight sold 250,000 to 300,000 PPVs. Pugmire is doing exactly what Fat Dan Rafael does. He is getting his numbers from the promoters and claiming they are from reliable sources. I doubt that Canelo/Smith sold 150,000 PPVs.

About as expected. They're good numbers for that particular fight. No one outside Floyd and Manny is/was going to do massive numbers. Oscar was jumping the gun with 'This is the Canelo' era talk. If he wants really big numbers, he needs a really good opponent. This is where GGG comes in, and that's why the split negotiations will rumble on.

300k seems to be canelo's baseline so this sounds right That's if it got to 300k. If it's 250k, it's a new baseline, and it's a baseline on HBO PPV, not SHO.

Seems pretty low, but Liam Smith isn't known in the US, the fight was heavily criticized in the media and online, and the undercard wasn't very good.

Will Oscar come out and say oh we did a little less than 500k?? LOL, well 250k is less than 500k, so Oscar might be fishing for promotional talk. expect different numbers up and down, but 300k sounds right, is what i predicted, around the lara numbers since liam is also a no name fighter...

Will Oscar come out and say oh we did a little less than 500k?? LOL, well 250k is less than 500k, so Oscar might be fishing for promotional talk.

nobody wants to see mismatches We'll test that theory when we see the Ward/Kovalev numbers.

IIRC Fat Dan said on his chat last week that anything less than 300k is an abysmal failure I expected the ppv to do between 275k-300k....no one was looking fwd to this.

That's twice as many as I even expected... If so, I expect Manny-Vargas to sell the same. Manny-Canelo would do over 2m easy though...

Canelo has his PPV dates on the two biggest dates of the year, Mexican Independant Weekend and still cant draw 300k by himself? If Canelo fought on a regular date he would do 150k. You better make that GGG fight now, 60/40 before your next fight totally flops lol. GGG vs Brook did more than 500k.

nobody wants to see mismatches