Anthony Joshua - clear PED usage, but . .

Annnnd now he's even bigger

Yes, it is BS to claim all of them are on roids. You claim no boxer can have a body like Wlad Haye and Joshua without the help on roids...that's BS. Unfortunately it is not. HGH, Steroids, etc. They go on cycles. I'm not condemning them.

Some of y'all need to stop accusing anyone with a great physique to be on roids. We all have different genetic makeups and Joshua has always had a chiseled physique. I guess you're also 100% sure that Wlad and Haye are also on roids? yes.. yes they are. LMAO. Are you even serious? You think Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis are 'natural' too right? You know Vitali (who isn't even as big as Wlad) FAILED a drug test? Guys like Tyson who will take cocaine, rape women, assault people but wont take some performance enhancing drugs, Tyson who admitted if he was around today he'd take HGH. Come on! wake up. Tyson Fury even said steroids should be legal cause everyone is on them already. Ever wonder why Hughie Fury who is 21 looks like he's 30? zits all over and all these guys are balding.

you make no sense they are all on it and the fights are worse then they ever been I think that has a large part to do with training/fighting ideology, referee incompetence and protective management.

Kinda makes you think what kinda people are behind the keyboards...How athletically challenged are this lot? He looks like a guy who worked hard enough to win a gold medal and now be HW champ....Anybody seriously just go watch the crazy training the big oaf does. nobody trained harder then Marciano and he could not win a body building contest like Joshua but I guess taking flintstone vitamins makes him big like that

Steroids are good for this sport. Seriously. How many times have you watched a boring ass fight snd thought to yourself, I wish someone would give these scrubs some steroids so they would try and hurt each other? PEDs are rampant in all sports, accept it and move on. you make no sense they are all on it and the fights are worse then they ever been

That's just BS. It's not BS. This is extremely common amongst professional athletes of all major sports. It's not a big deal. People should just be told the truth about what supplements these athletes are taking so that you and others aren't falsely believing things to be a way they clearly are not.

You're saying Joshua never had a ripped physique before? Do you mean a boxer can't possible get a body like AJ, Wlad and Haye without steroids? Correct. PEDs are involved to attain their physiques.

You are talking to someone who doesn't buy one inch of your Bu!!****. You are insecure and that's okay, Joshua looks like a version of Charles Martin that lifts a few days a week....You act like he would have to kill himself 8 hours a day to look like that... 200 sit ups , leg routine and upperbody routine plus boxing.....3-4 months months at the most and Martin would look like Joshua..Provided of course he eats a good diet also. Hahaha. Okay bud

So he would need to go the gym like 3 days a week on top of his boxing and have a strict diet...What part had't I addressed? Okay so it takes 8 months-1 year...Joshua has been working on his physique for years... And why would cutting the fat and building the muscle be two separate things?...Sounds like the typical work harder not smarter stuff gym rats say. 3 months dedicated with a personal trainer and nutritionist and I could put on 20 pounds of muscle easy....now that's me..I put on weight and lose it in a way I'm sure some boxers would love but surely these athlete can not only match this but go beyond I'm not trolling, I don't think Tim Bradley would let you touch him with a steroid for all the money in the world and look at his physique and he gets fat as **** between fights.... Man some of us just have better genetics and I'm not professional athlete so I'm not just talking myself up, If i thought I was that great I'd be fighting myself ... You don't build muscle while cutting fat. This only happens for someone who has never done physical exercise/not use to the strains of exercise, aka, "newbie gains". Otherwise, gaining muscle mass while cutting fat is literally impossible. In order to cut fat, you need to be on a calorie deficit. In order to build muscle, you need to be on a calorie surplus. 20 pounds of muscle in three months is literally impossible unless you have newbie gains. Hell, even steroids probably couldn't do that much that quickly. This is why it gets more difficult. The more muscle you have, and exercise you regularly do, the older you are, the harder it gets to add more muscle. For the average gym goer who actually exercises and works out regularly, I would say 1-1.5 pounds of muscle a month is a good goal to set. This isn't factoring professional athletes who would struggle even more (depending on sport of course). http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html/

Holy crap, are you trolling or just completely ignorant? Charles Martin would need to cut a good amount fat, and then go on a very calorie-counting-intense bulk (minimize fat gains so he doesn't need to cut again-for as long), which would take much longer than 3-4 months. Charles Martin has a much higher bodyfat % than AJ, despite being about the same weight (244 AJ, 245 Charles). So he would need to go the gym like 3 days a week on top of his boxing and have a strict diet...What part had't I addressed? Okay so it takes 8 months-1 year...Joshua has been working on his physique for years... And why would cutting the fat and building the muscle be two separate things?...Sounds like the typical work harder not smarter stuff gym rats say. 3 months dedicated with a personal trainer and nutritionist and I could put on 20 pounds of muscle easy....now that's me..I put on weight and lose it in a way I'm sure some boxers would love but surely these athlete can not only match this but go beyond I'm not trolling, I don't think Tim Bradley would let you touch him with a steroid for all the money in the world and look at his physique and he gets fat as **** between fights.... Man some of us just have better genetics and I'm not professional athlete so I'm not just talking myself up, If i thought I was that great I'd be fighting myself ...

You are talking to someone who doesn't buy one inch of your Bu!!****. You are insecure and that's okay, Joshua looks like a version of Charles Martin that lifts a few days a week....You act like he would have to kill himself 8 hours a day to look like that... 200 sit ups , leg routine and upperbody routine plus boxing.....3-4 months months at the most and Martin would look like Joshua..Provided of course he eats a good diet also. Holy crap, are you trolling or just completely ignorant? Charles Martin would need to cut a good amount fat, and then go on a very calorie-counting-intense bulk (minimize fat gains so he doesn't need to cut again-for as long), which would take much longer than 3-4 months. Charles Martin has a much higher bodyfat % than AJ, despite being about the same weight (244 AJ, 245 Charles).

The person who started this thread is some one who has a degree in nutrition and exercise science. Some one who also was very involved with sports and weight lifting. Some one who also has studied the history of weight-lifting and body building. Please dude I urge you to talk with people that educated in these fields. It's okay if these guys do PEDs. The transparency is what I'm looking for with the sport it self. You are talking to someone who doesn't buy one inch of your Bu!!****. You are insecure and that's okay, Joshua looks like a version of Charles Martin that lifts a few days a week....You act like he would have to kill himself 8 hours a day to look like that... 200 sit ups , leg routine and upperbody routine plus boxing.....3-4 months months at the most and Martin would look like Joshua..Provided of course he eats a good diet also.

Some of y'all need to stop accusing anyone with a great physique to be on roids. We all have different genetic makeups and Joshua has always had a chiseled physique. I guess you're also 100% sure that Wlad and Haye are also on roids? Holy ***** to the first part. Absolutely to the second part.

How is it clear? His physique is attainable with disciplined training and good genetics. Plus I bet the cameras make him look bigger than he actually is. Lol you are adorable. The fight fans who still believe that drug tests tell the story and that only some use PED's are like young WWE fans who still want to believe.

The person who started this thread is some one who has a degree in nutrition and exercise science. Some one who also was very involved with sports and weight lifting. Some one who also has studied the history of weight-lifting and body building. Please dude I urge you to talk with people that educated in these fields. It's okay if these guys do PEDs. The transparency is what I'm looking for with the sport it self. These guys believe gaining 12.5 pounds of muscle mass in 2.5 months for a non-newbie lifter is possible :lol1: A lot of professional athletes cycle. As I have said before, T&F is one of the dirtiest sports around where athletes get busted years down the line, or never at all. Just look at those women's world records by the Russian/Chinese women. Dirtiest records ever. Same thing holds true for probably many of the men's world records (cough, El Guerrouj). In a sport where people are getting physically hurt and suffering long term damage, you guys think cycling isn't as rampant? Wladimir Klitschko definitely cycles, as well, IMO. He's not the only one. Obviously JMM, Pacquiao, and I believe Floyd have done it, too.

All the HW's have taken PEDs in the past... Especially those in the 80's and 90's. It's part of the culture. Honestly, I really don't care. Just give us good fights. Exactly my point. But, for some reason people in 2016 still have these delusions that these guys are doing nothing more than Wheaties and vitamins.

Kinda makes you think what kinda people are behind the keyboards...How athletically challenged are this lot? He looks like a guy who worked hard enough to win a gold medal and now be HW champ....Anybody seriously just go watch the crazy training the big oaf does. The person who started this thread is some one who has a degree in nutrition and exercise science. Some one who also was very involved with sports and weight lifting. Some one who also has studied the history of weight-lifting and body building. Please dude I urge you to talk with people that educated in these fields. It's okay if these guys do PEDs. The transparency is what I'm looking for with the sport it self.

All the HW's have taken PEDs in the past... Especially those in the 80's and 90's. It's part of the culture. Honestly, I really don't care. Just give us good fights.

You know your career is on the right path in boxing when this forum starts to attack you. He can take testing and pass it and for some he will still be accused of being on something :nonono: Seeing as how I've stated multiple times in this thread it was not an attempt to attack him and I do look forward to his career. It was using him as an example to discuss whether or not the sport should be open about what fighters are doing year round. I'm not going to care and I can't see others especially if every one is aware and has the same opportunity to use PEDs.