Would you oppose a PBC world title?

Nope. Too many titles as it is and considering that PBC has so many mismatches, I can't get behind recognizing it.

PBC no way man. This isn't wcw circa 95... World television championship. Lol Naaah pass

Fck yes. I don't want to see Garcia/Salsa fighting for a tittle. Bad enough they get away with such g@yness but to add a tittle to it is just plain ridiculous

People keep saying this like the UK is the best thing Hearn can do. Hearn could be a big part of the world scene & still dominate the UK scene with his affiliation with PBC. I'm sure he realizes this & I'm sure thats why he's working with PBC now. This thread is about titles. So idk about what you're saying. And idk that anyone is saying Haymon is taking over promotion. If anything he's just thinking outside the box with how boxers work with promoters. Currently PBC has worked with about 20 promoters all told to varying degrees in the last 8 months with DiBella, TGB, Warriors, Mayweather, Leija Battah & GYM being the main promoters + the undefined relationship with Hearn. Promoters aren't going anywhere. Well thats the thing to. You don't have to. The promoters dealing with PBC now seemingly have had the added benefit of featuring their own fighters (signed or unsigned with Haymon) on PBC cards. And they can still promote cards outside of the PBC universe. Haymon isn't a dictator with how he works with guys. And its actually in his benefit to work with more promoters so the critical mass of talent PBC represents by virtue of showing their fights increases. Its a misconception that only one side need benefit from these arrangements, either Haymon or the promoter. These relationships can be mutually beneficial thus PBC showing a Matchroom promoted fight isn't f#cking over one side or the other. As should Hearn & any promoter. And they do & will. DiBella & TGB who are two of the top promoters working with PBC right now have had their own non-PBC TV dates during their time with PBC. And yet he hasn't tried to do anything like that. I think his most notable accomplishment in boxing so far is burning $20M+ on the Klitschko vs Povetkin fight which seems underwhelming for a guy with so much money. To me he seems like a guy with a ****load of money & lil hobby going with his interest in boxing more than anything else. With Haymon's strategy & Ryabinsky's money I'm positive they could run boxing & change the landscape for the better. I kinda hope they join forces somewhere along the way cuz boxing needs a altered landscape & its not happening with 4 corrupt sanctioning bodies, fighters playing the A side game & all the other bs that never seems to ends in the sport cuz there is no centralized power structure in the sport to lay down the law so its just a giant clusterf#ck of powerful promoters, boxers & networks pushing & pulling things to their own best outcome instead of boxing's best outcome. In essence, we don't disagree on much. However i'm failing to see how Haymon can leapfrog from a scenario where he works with other promoters as he is, like Top Rank do too, to a situation where his title becomes the only one thats important. I think i'm missing or misunderstanding something? I can't see what Haymon is currently doing, in what you've described, that is attacking the need for other major promoters, and from that, the sanctioning bodies. Hearn has vested interests in keeping world titles. Promoting a domestic level fight in the UK as a world title fight is easy promotion. Most other promoters do the exact same thing, Haymon included. Could you explain it to me? You're right with Ryabinsky, his intentions seem isolated to Eastern Europe, but he'll always have his own way. Also thanks for the interesting response, I appreciate your posts more than most others.

I would be against it. Maybe in a few years in the PBC works and gets to be in a ufc-like position with boxing. The only way I'd be cool with them making PBC belts this early is if they had legitimate tourneys with their best fighters and the end result is the winner getting the new PBC belt. That would be the smart way to do it. That would also lead to the best fighting the best. I know a lot of fans hate on the PBC, but listen to what the fighters say about Haymon. He has a variety of different fighters. He has Hispanic fighters, European fighters, and Black fighters. I'm not sure about Asians, but you know he would sign whatever Asian fighters available. When I look at GB and TR, I just don't see that. PBC is about to take over the sport.

yes, too many belts right now, besides it would leave a lot of fighters out. you know, TR and GBP fighters

PBC Belt? A Belt for the Protected Bums Crew? Is that belt supposed to crown the biggest protected bum?? The boxing equivalent of the golden raspberry? In all seriousness, you realize that PBC barely has any top fighters?

Why or why not? Personally I was totally against a PBC world title when that was in the rumor mill. It was just going to be another trinket but now it makes a lot more sense. I think the sanctioning bodies over the passed couple years have become abundantly greedy by ripping boxers and fans off and adding to the divide in boxing. If PBC had all their fighters drop their belts minor and world, itd really stick it to the sanctioning bodies and itd set up some nice tournaments within their own brand. In a perfect world there wouldnt be a divide between promotions but its not that way so hopefully Haymon continues to maximize his clients revenue and drops their belts and forms his own title... I honestly think that is what the overall plan is. That would completely change the sport for the best. I think Haymon is trying to start his boxing version of the UFC. If that happens, boxing will go to a whole other level. One belt for every weight class with a company that has the interest of the fighter first, only positive results will come from that. It would also lead to the downfall of GB and TR.

I would be against it. Maybe in a few years in the PBC works and gets to be in a ufc-like position with boxing. The only way I'd be cool with them making PBC belts this early is if they had legitimate tourneys with their best fighters and the end result is the winner getting the new PBC belt.

People in UFC DO complain and very very importantly and I say this in the utmost respectful way,I have spoken with many many MMA fans and most dont have the knowledge about fighters(maybe some on the most popular ones) and I hate to bring MMA since is the apples and pears again comparison,but think about it,remember when dana white told one of his fighters on air to be quite( I think it was phil baroni) and he said it because Dana is their boss,not their promoter,their boss,the one who decies who gets a shot,the one that took them out of their sponsors because cut a better deal for him and the fertittas with reebok....I really dont think it would work.

One Punch - They won't need to purchase new TV dates. They have years of TV paid up front and when those deals are up, they only need ONE of those channels to pony up for exclusive rights. Live sports rights are the only growth sector in TV and it's not like there are new leagues being created to buy the rights to. There will definitely be a channel that will want to lock up PBC 2-3 years from now. Hewito - That's clearly the plan. Too soon to say whether it will work, but there is no doubt it is the FANS that benefit if it does work. Do UFC fans have to worry about everybody ducking each other and hiding behind four different belts in each division? Do you know any UFC fans that wish each division had four belts so the fighters could hide behind them? Pandas - Very good points. If they ever hit those numbers, I definitely think PBC titles can be successful. Obviously there's no rush. Right now they just need to keep accumulating fighters and keep accumulating titles. Techliam - Reforming themselves how? You honestly thing the four organizations consolidating into one without another organization springing up is more likely than the smartest man in boxing with a 500 million dollar war chest and TV on every major network managing to cut them out of the equation? As for Japan... the lower divisions ARE the minor league. What is a guy at 108 pounds getting paid compared to a guy at 160 pounds? How much more of a minor league could you be? Hewito - So you think nothing good has come from other sports having a dominant league? Do you see any football fans wishing there was still an NFL and AFL? Are basketball fans wishing there was still an NBA and ABA? Are baseball fans wishing the NL and AL didn't play each other? How is it bad for fans to have the world's best fighters under one umbrella and fighting each other? I see your point and thank you for keeping things respectful,but here is the difference,all those teams you are talking about are privately owned(expect green bay)so the NFL does not have one owner ,or one CEO who will say "here,i want my X team that is 10-0 play against y that is 0-10 for the championship"so there is a wide gap in differences between the organizations and Haymon..Lets put it this way,lets say haymon becomes the only organization where the belt matters,he will have the power too control not only fighters but also fees and I really think it might even be against the Ali act since he will have fighters and be a "sanctioning body"..Long story short,I really think if he has a belt,sooner rather than later he will doing same or much worse than what we currently have.

I would be completely against it. They aren't neutral They will name their own fighters as champions. Let's give Top Rank and Golden Boy the right to crown champions and then all their fighters could also be champions. There are way to many champions already and being a champion doesn't mean as much as it used to.

No real boxing fan should be okay with some sh1t like this

Yeah i'd support it considering Haymon has shown the willingness to match his top fighters against each other. Funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Do you forget the fact that Porter, Thurman, Garcia and Khan have somehow avoided each other recently? Despite each fighter needing a good win (or fight). PBC title fights would be a joke, I can see it now. Wilder vs Briggs/ Tarver/ Arreola for the PBC title. Broner vs Paulie/ Robert Guerrero Thurman vs Chris Algeri Khan vs Aaron Martinez Garcia vs Berto This would be their championship fights, based on what they have done so far as PBC. Add to that the cold war that Al started, yeah PBC will save boxing and Ronda Rousey beats Floyd and Tyson blindfolded at the same time.

PBC is moving into the UK in 2016. They've been working with Hearn for months. I don't think this is a money thing as much of an idea thing. I think the promoters with PBC right now have made a decision that working with PBC for a flat fee (one would assume thats whats happening) & still doing their own side shows also is a very favorable position for them & greatly reducing their risk. I don't see why more promoters all over the globe would be opposed to that. What exactly is all being shared or how money is all being split up is unknown but the influence that PBC has gotten already is some unheard of **** in the boxing business so if nothing else Haymon is an epic closer to get so many people on board in the first 8 months. With that said I don't think its crazy to suggest that Haymon & Ryabinsky could end up working together at some point or maybe Ryabinsky even becomes an investor in PBC. I mean a reasonable assumption if this is all about money than Ryabinsky would already own boxing or have a failed attempt at it if he was capable of it or driven to attempt it. Hearn has been working with Haymon, but he won't put his star matchups on PBC, at least not exclusively. His monopoly in the UK with Sky Sports ensures that. It's not in his interest to become part of PBC when he effectively dominates the UK boxing scene, with little to no challenge. Which leads nicely onto what you've already said - noone suggested that Haymon can't work with other promoters, but the suggestion of this thread is that he will eventually take them over, making everything else redundent. That's not going to happen. There's a world of difference between Hearn putting his fighters on PBC every now and again, and actually putting all of his fighters under the banner exclusively. Hearn would work with any promoter that fits his interest, not just Haymon. You'll see his fighters on Top Rank cards in the US, Sky at home and also PBC cards in the US, and Sky at home. Same with other major promoters. Miura is fighting on the Canelo-Cotto card tomorrow, but he'll go back to Japan and make his money there too (a huge payday vs Uchiyama possibly). He may end up on a PBC card at some point too. This is why I don't see how Haymon is different to any other promoter, other than the free TV angle he's trying to promote. I'm still to be convinced that any of the above means that PBC is going to take over... As for Haymon-Ryabinsky, I dont know. Thered be no need for Haymon to be there if Ryabinsky was interested in trying to shift the sport like that. The money he can burn without consequence is beyond ridiculous.

Considering that we already have the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO world titles (not including all the other **** like the Silver champion, platinum champion, premium champion, or whatever extra crap they can come up with), I'm okay with no PBC championship.

Sure let's add them on. We need at least one world title for every fighter. If everyone is a world champion, then think of all the unification fights we could have :D

Completely against it. It gives Haymon fighters even more of a reason not to fight anyone that isn't a Haymon fighter or a threat. Guys like Quillin and Jacobs can fight and have the winner be marketed as the best middleweight.

pbc is just the XFL. did anyone take the XFL champs seriously? no but they still had a championship so why not. they already lost half their value and thats why haymon is subsidizing his fighters by having most of the big money guys fight on showtime. so are the pbc champs going to fight on showtime and still be the champs or will they make a showtime championship too? the unified pbc-showtime champ

Long term it's a good idea. Just eliminate all of the rediculous sanctioning bodies. Haymon signs all of the talent. PBC on Fox, PBC on CBS, PBC on NBC and PBC on ESPN. Long term it's the best thing that can be done. Don't recognise any titles, don't pay the sanctioning fees and make it 1 champion per weight class.