thurman can give it but doesnt seem like he could take it

Thurman took a perfect liver shot and stayed on his feet. You can't 'condition' yourself physically for type of punch, so you just eat your pain and tough it out. He deserves credit, not moronic comments like 'he can't take a punch' etc. Sometimes I wonder if some people on NSB actually know anything at all about boxing - like its a video game or TV show or something. SMH. I was expecting to come on here and see people giving him credit, instead it's exposed a whole lot of casuals.

Thurman took a perfect liver shot and stayed on his feet. You can't 'condition' yourself physically for type of punch, so you just eat your pain and tough it out. He deserves credit, not moronic comments like 'he can't take a punch' etc. Sometimes I wonder if some people on NSB actually know anything at all about boxing - like its a video game or TV show or something. SMH.

Bro that was as flush to the liver shot as you're gonna see. He didn't go down, survived the round. Was recovered by the next round. And then made Collazo RTD the round after that. Come on man. This is equivalent to saying Floyd can't take it because he got buckled by Corley, Sharmba, Judah, Mosley & Maidana. It's nonsense

Thurman CAN be hurt and dropped hes not god. Want to see him vs a big puncher someone like maidana He fought Chaves. I want to see him fight Maidana too. "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor. I hope so, it will allow him to land a big fight. As he moves up the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due to wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers. I don't see it. The guy chasing and getting punched is more likely to be the one slowing down. Provo wouldn't get near him honestly, judging by the second Mayweather fight I'm not sure Maidana is the best at closing distance either. Brook & Porter have the best chance of beating him imo.

This. I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in. Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero. Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he moves up the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due to wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers. Spot on, it's the underwhelming nature of his performance as he was supposed to walk through Collazo. (The one he called over the hill a few months ago)

anyone whos been in the ring knows how much those type of body shots hurt i rate thruman for staying up.

This. I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in. Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero. Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he move the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers. Great post.

He has no inside game. He can't roll, slip, counter in the pocket. His defense is his feet and he needs space to punch. So he needs to move around to create space to launch his attack.

This. I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in. Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero. Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he move the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers. I agree with your assessment 100%. I don't like what I seen lately from thurman. he has too fight a top rated welterweight next or run the risk of getting beat by somebody who he isn't supposed too get beat by. And never get a big fight

Thurman moves way too much for a guy with his type of punch. I like him but he wasn't impressive last night and was very fortunate for that ending, which I still don't understand. People keep saying collazo took a beating in the 7th which I didn't see at all. This. I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in. Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero. Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he moves up the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due to wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers.

comparing luis collazo a semi retired c level fighter to B bop in his prime an ATG multiple world champion is not really a good comparison buddy. :lol1: Besides the fact that BHOP vs DLH was a fixed fake fight, even the blind could see it.

i agree i never saw him as someone who could beat mayweather but that doesnt matter. the fact is hes a great young talent the thing is i agree it seems like hes always been so dominant so far in his career that when he gets hurt he does not know what to do and he starts to back pedal at an alarming rate. He did say in an interview after the fight he was going to take a knee but was worried how it would look

Last 3 fights he has ran more, far too cautious now. I don't think he has too much confidence in his punch resistance. Good fighter when he lets his hands go though. "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor. I agree. he has no chance against Floyd if he fights like that.

Last 3 fights he has ran more, far too cautious now. I don't think he has too much confidence in his punch resistance. Good fighter when he lets his hands go though. "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor. Maybe he's trying to become more of a hit and don't get hit type. Whatever it is, he needs to get back to the old fun to watch Thurman or he will lose some fans for sure.

What impresses me more is the fact that when he gets hurt, he somehow weathers the storm which shows he is intelligent enough to move or tie up his opponent when hurt. I wouldn't say hes really vulnerable to taking shots, maybe not the best but he makes up with it by outboxing and outbrawling when he needs too, a work in progress still id say.

for some reason Thurman was moving a lot more in this fight Last 3 fights he has ran more, far too cautious now. I don't think he has too much confidence in his punch resistance. Good fighter when he lets his hands go though. "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor.

for some reason Thurman was moving a lot more in this fight

Thats my point, Maidana is tough SOB but he can be hurt. Thurman being hurt by that body shot doesnt mean he 'cant take it' Exactly! The only thing I didn't like was at times he was almost running. It really made it look like he was having more trouble with Callozo then Khan but different styles makes different fights. People don't get it but at the same time I see their point too. It just wasn't that impressive after what Khan did to Callozo. We need Thurman vs Khan to settle this once and for all.

That proves my point. Micky Ward is a d class fighter. Class means nothing. Prescott is a lesser fighter than maidana. Yet khan took maidana punches, but couldn't take Prescott punches. Class means nothing. A perfect shot is a perfect shot. again, you struggling to understand. what has micky ward being a journeyman got do with the fact his left hook was one of the best in boxing?? a perfect shot is not a perfect shot if the boxer has no power you are clearly dim

He can take it, if not he would have lost. Collazo isn't that bad, he went 12 with Mosley, Hatton, Berto and Khan. Collazo was robbed against Berto IMO.