The super middle weight division is a travesty if James degale is number 1

People are lying to themselves by saying Andre Ward isn't the best Super Middleweight in the world. DeGale vs Ward is a dream fight for me.

Not if he stays on the ropes again for 5 rounds taking Callums body shots. Degale looks good for two rounds then takes 5 rounds off. Murray could beat Degale potentially.... Murray and Smith both beat Degale? :banghead: :no:

We need george groves to beat jack, or for froch to come out of retirement as this top ten list of super middleweight is shocking. And none more so than having degale at number 1. His claim to fame is losing to Carl froch afters, and narrowingly defeating a shot andre dirrell. The super middle weight division is having an identity crisis. With lemineux and golovkin below, and artur beterbiev and kovalev above, who will ignite excitement back into the super middle weight division? I Can only see george groves and callum smith. Maybe rocky fielding? fyi Degale fought Groves before Froch did.

Ward is clearly #1 No he's not. Quit sucking on the pro black meat. Can Ward become THE #1 guy? Absolutely and he has the tools. 1 fight in several years(which wasn't at 168) on top of mediocre comp in the last few fights does 't make you #1.

I like DeGale and Froch should have fought him. I think Froch would Knock him out as soon as he gasses though

If you arent counting Froch and Ward due to inactivity (i still do), then Degale is no.1. Abraham.and Steiglitz have done jack **** at smw other than beat each other.

Andre Ward hasn't fought at supermiddleweight since 2013 Exactly. Ward should hold no belts at SMW.

Ward by far -- he just destroyed Paul Smith at 176. B "by far", because he erm, beat Paul Smith? Ward is good, but his reputation far exceeds his body of work. Lost the second half of the fight Vs Froch, headbutted Kessler outta there, and beat a severely weight drained Dawson, who has since gone on to be proven to be a bit of hype. Let's see him beat 4 of the young gunslingers: Groves, DeGale, Callum Smith, Andre Dirrell, and maybe beat Froch on the road - THEN he may be worth the props he's been getting. This is still a very rich division (AA is a bit of a joke as a beltholder), and if Ward moves to 175 he'll be crushed by the top 3, Kov, Beterbiev and Stevenson.

Outside of Ward, Degale will handily beat any SMW.

Not if he stays on the ropes again for 5 rounds taking Callums body shots. Degale looks good for two rounds then takes 5 rounds off. Murray could beat Degale potentially.... Callum Smith is painfully average. Rebarasse was just a tough guy walking forward. Anyone with decent footwork gives him nightmares. Degale would beat him down for a stoppage like he did vs the older one. The only chance Smittys have against Degale is all four jumping on him in an alley in Liverpool.

Ward by far -- he just destroyed Paul Smith at 176.

What's funny Degale would skool Callum Smith........ Not if he stays on the ropes again for 5 rounds taking Callums body shots. Degale looks good for two rounds then takes 5 rounds off. Murray could beat Degale potentially....

We need george groves to beat jack, or for froch to come out of retirement as this top ten list of super middleweight is shocking. And none more so than having degale at number 1. His claim to fame is losing to Carl froch afters, and narrowingly defeating a shot andre dirrell. The super middle weight division is having an identity crisis. With lemineux and golovkin below, and artur beterbiev and kovalev above, who will ignite excitement back into the super middle weight division? I Can only see george groves and callum smith. Maybe rocky fielding? What's funny Degale would skool Callum Smith........

That's what I was thinking. The hell is going on :thinking: Well DeGale beat Dirrell and won the IBF title. Abraham has the WBO title, Jack the WBC title and Ward holds the WBA title but has not defended it at the SMW limit against a live opponent since the Super Six tournament. Ring stripped Ward of the RING title for inactivity, with very valid reason. Ward is currently fighting at LHW and has not decided what he will do for his next fight so he does not figure in the SMW picture at all. Abraham has had his title the longest, I believe, making him the choice for #1 in the division until someone comes along and defeats him. Basically the SMW division is a trash heap.

1. Ward 2. Froch 3. DeGale 4. Andre Dirrell 5. Abraham/Jack is how most people should have it. Not sure Froch should still be there, but it's not like anyone has staked claim to that spot. This is how I see it, too.

Ring magazine rankings are a bit odd. Arthur Abraham as the #1 SMW on the planet? Yikes. That's what I was thinking. The hell is going on :thinking:

Moving up to 175... Where you got that information from?

if degale is indeed no.1 it is largely by defaults, due to ward having not fought in the division for over 19 months, froch on the verge of retirement and groves having no title. so in that environment, who is better than degale? no one.

Ring magazine rankings are a bit odd. Arthur Abraham as the #1 SMW on the planet? Yikes.

Froch is #1