Golovkin weight

I have no problem with him not moving up but most people who box that long have moved up in the amateurs, so I don't see how that means anything.

The financials are OK with guys like Canelo, Cotto, Froch, Chavez formerly. These are all ppv, lots of money to go around, with GGG taking B side money. Like for Chavez, he was offered less than 30%, which came out to 2.5m + upside. Alright to GGG, but not necessarily the other guys.

To me all these "jr." divisions are garbage. If GGG was to move up, move up to 175. to hell with 168. Ward and GGG should both move to 175 The original divisions, even to this day, still have way more meaning. Boxing has gone all to sh|t, fighters trying to suck every last drop of water out of their bodies in order to gain an advantage. Look what Canelo is doing to himself. It would fix itself if they went back to same day weigh ins. GGG, Canelo, and Ward would suddenly be bigger guys. All Lt Heavyweights. I couldn't agree more - bring back same day weigh-ins.

Golovkin walks into the ring in the low 170s for his fights, spin that however you want. Golovkin comes up 11-13lbs, rather than the 15lb round figure. congratulations Canelo 172+ Lara 170+ Trout 171+ Angulo 174+ These are super welters, a$$wipe. Now run away and respond the next day and hope I'm not around to call you on your never ending sh1t

Gennady Golovkin is the only top amateur fighter from that 2003/2004 class at 165 that ended up dropping down to 160 and not even considering fighting at 168. If the process was as "no duh" as you want to imagine it being, why is Golovkin the only fighter at 165 to spend his life at 160 as a pro? Because, if you go back and look at the amateur fighters that were peers of Golovkin at 165, he's the only one who is still at 160. Again, logic is a fickle thing when you've got near unlimited access to information If you go over his list of names he fought in the amateurs at MW, the ones to move up were Dirrell and Bute. So who are all these other peers of his that have moved up to 168?

With the exception of heavyweights, most of the top boxers of the last 30 years have moved up to take on bigger challengers in larger divisions. The list speaks for itself: Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Chavez, Roy Jones Jr, Holyfield, Hopkins, Toney, Wright, De La Hoya, Naseem, Barerra, Morales, Mosely,Trinadad, Williams, Martinez, Calzaghe, Cotto, Pacquiao, Mayweather......the list goes on. If GGG and his people can't see the connection between stardom and moving up through divisions, then they must be blind.

So, GGG is really a natural SMW who has been weight drained and beating the dogsh*t out of MWs for the last 10 years? Drained himself for a decade and only lost a handful of rounds lol Highest KO percentage in MW champ history as a weight drained fighter for the last 10 years lol Is this what you are trying to say? Ward better just go ahead and move up to 175 right now before GGG starts fighting at his natural weight lol Every other top 165 fighter that Golovkin fought as an amateur had made the move to 168 or higher, sans Gennady Golovkin.

This disingenuous POS at it again. Hey a$$hole, Chavez' manager confirmed Arum offered him 7m for GGG, with single fight extension worth 10m if he won, 5 if he lost. That's way better than sitting out making nothing, then getting destroyed by a no name tune-up to pathetic ratings for way less money. Does it compute, idiot? Chavez Jr owed Top Rank the one fight and sought to finish off that fight and get his promotional freedom (Top Rank had already leveraged the prior final promotional fight, with Sergio Martinez, into three additional fights and Chavez Jr was no longer playing that); Chavez Jr already has money, so his focus seemed explicitly on getting to a position to call his own shot. Again, this is all public record. Top Rank had no intent of ever letting Chavez Jr finish out the deal, and that's pretty obvious; if Chavez Jr had taken the fight, by the time the next fight came around, win or lose, the rumored $10m/$5m final fight would've been replaced with another option fight deal

Yeah because they're smaller fighters. Lets not pretend Froch is some ATG, the guy was getting his head boxed off by Taylor. And Degale is okay but can also be outboxed. Froch has talked of walking around about 175, with the other name mentioned all in that similar range (not all that much bigger than the fighters that I've stated get trounced by the quartet) None of the guys named are Edwin Rodriguez, coming into camp 200 pounds and then spending the entire camp focused on simply boiling down the weight.

Once again this cretin. GGG was 161 5 days before Rubio. Never rehydrated 15lbs. His last couple of fights went up to 170, which is less than SWW Canelo, Trout, Lara, Angulo etc Golovkin walks into the ring in the low 170s for his fights, spin that however you want. Golovkin comes up 11-13lbs, rather than the 15lb round figure. congratulations

No magic, same day weighing in the amateurs forever, ignoramus. If you only used your head it'd make sense, since they fight multiple times over 2 weeks, so you cannot blow up. But we've seen thinking is not your thing Gennady Golovkin is the only top amateur fighter from that 2003/2004 class at 165 that ended up dropping down to 160 and not even considering fighting at 168. If the process was as "no duh" as you want to imagine it being, why is Golovkin the only fighter at 165 to spend his life at 160 as a pro? Because, if you go back and look at the amateur fighters that were peers of Golovkin at 165, he's the only one who is still at 160. Again, logic is a fickle thing when you've got near unlimited access to information

You're such an annoying poster, you have an excuse for everything even if it contradicts everything you said posts before. These are all guys Golovkin has tried to fight, there is zero point trying to discredit every one of them. Golovkin doesn't care about the belts, he just wants money? Ok what is everyone else doing on the sport of boxing? Golovkin has shown his desire to unifying the belts by going after every title holder in the division. What is Golovkin supposed to do here, not want to fight the big names? You're seriously trying to hold it against GGG for attempting to fight Froch, Cotto, Chavez, Canelo, Lemieux? People complain about his resume, yet he tried to fight all these guys. Now you're talking about Lara even though you've been complaining about Golovkin not fighting guys his own size? Lol you obviously have an agenda that's made you retarded. You've also been explained in detail days/weeks ago the difference in fighting Mayweather on PPV versus fighting a Haymon guy on regular HBO. Obviously we just saw a joint HBO/SHO PPV. We've yet to see a Haymon fighter fight an HBO guy on HBO. But you know this already. And if they somehow make that fight, after Golovkin KO's Lara you'll proceed to complain about Golovkin beating up smaller guys. What a waste of time reading your posts. -Lara walked into the ring for the Canelo fight at 170 (likely didn't strip down to get on the unofficial scale, but the fact that the weight was even near that means that, since going to 168 for Ward is a bridge to far, Lara and Golovkin walk into the ring at about the same size. -Edwin Rodriguez, an Al Haymon fighter, fought Andre Ward on HBO because 1)GoossenTutor wanted to make the fight and 2)Ward was able to get to a split of the money that could make the fight and that he could live with. Golovkin is already openly chasing Floyd Mayweather Jr, Miguel Cotto, and Saul Alvarez (three smaller guys), so I'm pretty sure that any criticism of his continued fights against smaller guys won't bother him any. If he's going to end up fight smaller guys anyway, why not fight a smaller guy who will give him utter hell behind his stick and his bike, anyway? Because he hasn't really KO'd a fighter in years, and Lara has the style to make him look like utter ****, smashing the facade.

Because I read a quote from Golovkin that seemed like he didn't want the fight. I didn't say I wasn't open to correction. Like I've said for the 3rd time, I haven't been following the back and forth between the two. The point is is that he could move up and fight Ward. Which is a fight I want to see. Do you? Quotes around here seem to mysteriously be presented out of context on a regular basis to suit the poster's agenda. You know like asking someone about a particular fighter when he is preparing to fight another fighter and only wants to talk about the upcoming fight and is focussing on that fight only? And statements made in response to direct questions from reporters are used as if the fighter made the statement with no prompting when often it is something the fighter never would have brought up if not asked. Another tactic is using statements made years ago and treating them like they were made yesterday. The 'I'll fight anyone from 154 to 168' statement is one of those. That was said before he had even had so much as one fight in the US and was trying to establish his name and get a fight. Since then, that statement has been clarified to state in no uncertain terms that any fight away from MW division MUST BE A PPV FIGHT. But the detractors conveniently ignore that. A couple of years ago, Ward stated that he would move to SMW and eventually would win a title from 'a Klitschko'. So both Vitali and Wlad were fighting at the time. But whenever this FACT is brought up, Ward fans simply ignore it as if it was never said. Golovkin doesn't have to move up to fight Ward. It could be anyone. DeGale, for instance. The Willie Monroe's of the world aren't cutting it. It will only be for a PPV fight. At Golovkin's age, a fighter is not going to bounce around between weight classes. It takes a lot of work and can be very detrimental to a fighter's health and strength to move back and forth. For GGG to take the health risk and the risk to his career by moving up a division, or down for that matter, it has to be worth the risk financially. People really need to start looking at reality of the situation and taking what a fighter says into consideration before going on a rant that the guy should move up. They should stop being willfully ignorant because they only make themselves look like idiots.

People want GGG to move up because he said he'd fight anyone from 154-168 and because he can't get the fights he wants at 160. It's not about his weight.

Of course. I want Golovkin to stay at 160 to see if he can get Canelo. If no Canelo, there's notning else for bim at 160. So hopefully 2016. Well, there's something we can agree on

Yes. Everyone wants to see that fight. It's not going to happen in September Of course. I want Golovkin to stay at 160 to see if he can get Canelo. If no Canelo, there's notning else for bim at 160. So hopefully 2016.

Because I read a quote from Golovkin that seemed like he didn't want the fight. I didn't say I wasn't open to correction. Like I've said for the 3rd time, I haven't been following the back and forth between the two. The point is is that he could move up and fight Ward. Which is a fight I want to see. Do you? Yes. Everyone wants to see that fight. It's not going to happen in September

Doesn't sound like you were to me. That wasn't considered to be legitimate at the time. I also was around then, and SMW had little to no following.

So was I, AND like I already told you it was legit because of the championship fights taking place there, e.g. Murray Sutherland defeated Ernie Singletary for the IBF SMW championship. Doesn't sound like you were to me. That wasn't considered to be legitimate at the time.

He is small for middleweight. He weighs something like 165 before he cuts, cuts 5 lbs then swells back up to barely above the limit. A move down to 154 seems more likely than moving up to 168, 175, but money talks. At his age moving down to 154 would kill him. Chad Dawson Part 2