Or do you think he's the same old Cotto who lost to Trout and Mayweather?
Has he been made to look good with opponent choice, or is he simply a better conditioned, harder hitting, more energetic and attacking fighter now?
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Or do you think he's the same old Cotto who lost to Trout and Mayweather?
Has he been made to look good with opponent choice, or is he simply a better conditioned, harder hitting, more energetic and attacking fighter now?
Where does boxingscene stand on this? (vote in poll)
You have to understand that Roach's fighters only fight names not ability. Don't believe the hype. Roach said it himself that he doesn't put his fighters in fights unless he's certain they will win. He also stated he likes to handicapped the opponents.
Cotto is definitely rejuvenated. I am surprised he made it as far in the game as he did, with the turmoil he endured in his camps with his uncle, and the camps afterward. He seemed happy with Steward, but Manny's sole focus was Wlad and rightfully so. Cotto needed a figure that he truly respected to take charge of him, and make him perform to the best of his abilities.
Once he split with his uncle, we went untrained for Clottey and Pacquiao. Barely beating Clottey, and getting completely dominated by Pacquiao. After that, he gets with Steward for a few fights against Foreman and Gomez. He was looking fresh again, but that duo ended quickly. Then Cotto brings in the Cuban amatuer coach Pedro Diaz. Diaz tried to completely change Cotto from an offensive machine, to a Cuban point fighter. Changing how he throws his punches, unusual "scientific" training methods and regimines. Diaz was also starting to be more vocal in the media and using Cotto's noterierty to enhance his own.
Cotto fought Mayweather and while he looked good in spots, had mediocre instruction and preparation. This was for the fight of his life, and he was under prepared with a basic gameplan. After the loss, Cotto had one more go around with Diaz against Trout. This was his final camp with Diaz and it happened to be one of his worst camps yet. Diaz had Cotto training in Big Bear for high altitude training, and flew him out to Florida way to early before the fight, making the high alititude training useless. In the fight, Diaz still had a very basic gameplan and that mixed with a terrible camp and conditioning, Cotto lost for the second time and the first back to back in his career. Cotto and Diaz parted ways immediately afterwards.
In all sports, prepartion and gameplans are the keys to victory. Boxing is one of those that highlight that critically as guys are putting their lives on the line when they step into the ring. Now that Cotto is with Roach, someone that truly understands his fighter, and his strengths, he is looking extremely sharp, strong, and well conditioned. Dropping Landman and hiring MacMillan for his S&C has also done wonders. The trifecta, Cotto/Roach/MacMillan is a great team and something that should have happened early into Cotto's pro career.
Excellent post
I laugh at those who says this cotto still loses to trout. Newsflash, Cotto isn't gonna go in there to try and outbox him like pedro diaz had him try to do.
Dont kid urself bro. Roach not letting Cotto newhere near Trout. Cotto is fighting for money and I dont blame him. I only want to see him in Mega fights. Canelo and if he wins that a Money rematch.
I was doubtful at first, but Cotto is looking about as good as ever. Canelo is really the only fight for him now. I think that would be a genuinely interesting fight that either guy could win. GGG will knock him out, but it would be interesting up until Cotto folds.
this is the best he has ever looked. physically he looks stronger and mentally he looks more focused. i think this is the perfect weight for him. + he has improved his boxing iq
Luv u Skip. Starting to think u r legit Skip Bayless cuss UDKSAB. Did u watch cotto fights at 140, like any of them?
Hiring Roach and picking on injured drained fighters. U must be sh1tting me.
I really need to see Cotto in a good fight past the 6. That's when he usually back pedals if it gets rough. Freddie changed him, but his soft opposition does not do enough to test him past competitive 6 rounds.
canelo smashes **** fighters who stand in front of him, bite down on their mouthguard, and wait to be assaulted. Angulo was a dead man walking, Kirkland is the same guy who was KO'd in the first round by Nobuhiro Ishida.
I like Canelo a lot, but he is definitely the most overhyped, overrated, and under scrutinized fighter in the sport right now. Everyone talks about him like he's some destroyer, but the guy is seriously limited. He lumbers around the ring like a 154 pound yacht.
This right here!!
That boy is flat footed as hell man. If it wasn't for his complexion and hair he'd just be another decent fighter, not this superstar.
canelo smashes **** fighters who stand in front of him, bite down on their mouthguard, and wait to be assaulted. Angulo was a dead man walking, Kirkland is the same guy who was KO'd in the first round by Nobuhiro Ishida.
I like Canelo a lot, but he is definitely the most overhyped, overrated, and under scrutinized fighter in the sport right now. Everyone talks about him like he's some destroyer, but the guy is seriously limited. He lumbers around the ring like a 154 pound yacht.
Yes I certainly do. He is fighting better than at any time in his life. He would beat Trout and I would favor him to beat Mayweather even though I thought Mayweather beat him pretty easily. Cotto is that much better. I still think he loses by KO to Canelo. Canelo has also improved and he hits harder and takes a much better punch. These are two very important advantages Canelo has over Cotto when they slug it out like you know they will.
Canelo takes too much of a round off for me, if he lies on the ropes against Cotto he's going to get ripped to the body. 50-50 fight tho.
Yes I certainly do. He is fighting better than at any time in his life. He would beat Trout and I would favor him to beat Mayweather even though I thought Mayweather beat him pretty easily. Cotto is that much better. I still think he loses by KO to Canelo. Canelo has also improved and he hits harder and takes a much better punch. These are two very important advantages Canelo has over Cotto when they slug it out like you know they will.
Geale and Martinez weren't some of the best at MW? His resume at MW is as good as GGG's if not better in the past year lol.
You kidding right? Martinez was injured, couldn't move. Geale is a joke of a MW. He hits like a flyweight and his boxing skill aren't good.
Always respected Cotto and I still do...BUT do I think he is Rejuvenated? NO! Just properly matched up. Stylistically I like his chances vs Canelo as well because of experience and Chepo is not a good trainer and I think Roach can put together a great game plan vs Canelo style. Who can box and move a bit but he can also beat hit and I'm also not sure about his Inside Fighting.
Sorry just not a fan of Chepo and Canelo seems to be getting WORSE under him. Kirkland fight showed me nothing, that fight went exactly how most expected it to go. Cotto uses a High Guard and he gets very Low, even Mayweather had to turn his punches to land on Cotto Clean because that High Guard can be hard to get through especially when he has on 10oz Gloves
There's something to your argument maybe, but whatever his strong points, it appears that Diaz was unsuccessful in motivating Miguel to train enough to have 12-rounds-on-his-toes type stamina, which seems markedly improved with Roach.
I think Roach says alot of trollish things and his catchweight plays are bs imo, but he seems to have some chemistry with Cotto that Diaz did not and I think he offers more to Miguel in getting the most out of him and having him peak physically and mentally at the appropriate moments rather than in teaching him boxing techniques.
I was of the opinion that Diaz was not a good fit at all. He tried to change the way Cotto fights, into a point fighter. He even tried to have him change the way he throws his punches, notably the left hook. Cotto had Phil Landman for the better part of his career as his strength and conditioning coach, and it just wasn't working. Cotto parted with both after the Trout loss.
With MacMillan, he has a new regimine for strength and conditioning, one that has been tried and true for George St. Pierre. GSP was always in phenomenal condition and that was attributed to his S&C coach, Gavin MacMillan. Cotto is now reaping the rewards for working with both Roach and MacMillan. He is in the best shape he's ever been in, both mentally and phyiscally.
Makes me laugh how people are all of sudden discrediting Pedro Diaz, yet he was the same one that saw Cotto through beating Margarito. With a more offensive gameplan via Roach, the results of the first fight between them would have been repeated.
There's something to your argument maybe, but whatever his strong points, it appears that Diaz was unsuccessful in motivating Miguel to train enough to have 12-rounds-on-his-toes type stamina, which seems markedly improved with Roach.
I think Roach says alot of trollish things and his catchweight plays are bs imo, but he seems to have some chemistry with Cotto that Diaz did not and I think he offers more to Miguel in getting the most out of him and having him peak physically and mentally at the appropriate moments rather than in teaching him boxing techniques.
Yes and no.
I think Cotto has done well with Roach in that he's rejuvenated his offensive mindset.
Saying that, he's beat Delvin Rodriguez, a finished one legged Martinez and Geale who is probably the lightest hitting 160 going right now.
I'm not taking credit away from those wins, because Cotto did what an A level fighter would do vs them, but Canelo, Mayweather, and Pac are not anywhere close to the level of those guys.
He may have built confidence, but I don't know if it will be enough to win vs Canelo IMO.
Very good assessment, I totally agree with you.
Cotto is throwing that left with bad intentions ala Cotto of old. It is clear as day that his style has been tweaked by Roach. He is moving more and no longer doing the hunchback plod/uppercut eater style.
More importantly, Cotto feels "rejuvinated." Confidence is everything...
I cannot wait to log onto here and just laugh at you Cotto fans for days after Canelo gets your boy!
Saul is going to retire your boxer...
Lighten up Bernardo Sanders, it was a joke. Boxing for me is a hobby, form of entertainment and part of my exercise routine. You train boxers for a living and do the odd bit of sparring.
As for Cotto, I think it's been careful matchmaking since the Trout loss that's had him looking better than he has in years. A convincing win over Canelo or GGG would certainly convince me otherwise. My guess is he cashes out against Canelo or Mayweather and then either goes back to 154, or retires.
I actually was joking Jeffries, but it was lost in translation. I thought you would appreciate me calling you an arrogant prick and giving you the finger. You aren't getting sensitive on me are you?
Your dead right on the Cotto analysis. I think his best shot is vs Canelo, but he won't fight GGG. There's no way he does unless he beats Canelo and that fight is made for one last paycheck.
Either way, I think Cotto is going to lose vs Canelo and I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty. I think he takes a beating, I really do.
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Lighten up Bernardo Sanders, it was a joke. Boxing for me is a hobby, form of entertainment and part of my exercise routine. You train boxers for a living and do the odd bit of sparring.
As for Cotto, I think it's been careful matchmaking since the Trout loss that's had him looking better than he has in years. A convincing win over Canelo or GGG would certainly convince me otherwise. My guess is he cashes out against Canelo or Mayweather and then either goes back to 154, or retires.
Makes me laugh how people are all of sudden discrediting Pedro Diaz, yet he was the same one that saw Cotto through beating Margarito. With a more offensive gameplan via Roach, the results of the first fight between them would have been repeated.