Ariza shakes? answer this Pac fans, why didnt Roach know what Manny was ingesting?

That was five years ago. Why are you still crying? What part of that post makes you think I'm crying about it? I didn't create the thread, bro. I'm just responding to your uninformed post.

People didn't accuse Pacquiao of cheating because of Ariza. They accused him because he walked away from thr fight over drug testing and he and his camp had a lot of B.S. reasons to justify it. That was five years ago. Why are you still crying?

So floydiots accused Paqcuiao of cheating because of Ariza. What's the problem now? Why are you crying? People didn't accuse Pacquiao of cheating because of Ariza. They accused him because he walked away from thr fight over drug testing and he and his camp had a lot of B.S. reasons to justify it.

All these Pac fans accusing other fighters of juicing but don't acknowledge that..... 1) Roach said random blood and urine testing killed the first round of negotiations 2) Manny Pacquaio was scared of needles, but he has tattoos......funny considering he did blood testing before and after 2009-2010 when negotiations started 3) Ariza was Manny's strength and conditioning coach and Freddie Roach didn't even know what his own fighter was ingesting zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Im sure its the first thread abt this subject. Very very sure

All these Pac fans accusing other fighters of juicing but don't acknowledge that..... 1) Roach said random blood and urine testing killed the first round of negotiations 2) Manny Pacquaio was scared of needles, but he has tattoos......funny considering he did blood testing before and after 2009-2010 when negotiations started 3) Ariza was Manny's strength and conditioning coach and Freddie Roach didn't even know what his own fighter was ingesting Seriously until further information comes out about Pac taking steroids it is all complete speculation from those who have always been critical of Pacquiao. Roach fired Ariza for one of the reasons being that Ariza was not transparent with what he was doing with Manny. That alone caused some trust problems along with Ariza just being self destructive Ariza, like always. That whole needle thing was just misinformation probably pushed by Arum to feed the mainstream argument. Honestly the whole drug test thing being changed up until the day of the fight and Arum saying no to it was all about principle. Arum back then, let alone now, was not willing to give Mayweather's side an inch in negotiations. Now they have come to terms and Arum and Mayweather have come to meet in the middle. Although it is clear who has more to bargain at the negotiating table with Arum able to lockdown the previous offer from Floyd before Pacs KO to Marquez. This is the only evidence you can present trying to vilify Pacquiao. While right now as we speak, Floyd Mayweather is more suspicious to using PED's in this very fight then ever before with Ariza and Memo hanging around the camp. And you would rather talk about a minuscule amount of evidence on Manny, lining it up to fit your agenda. It's funny, Roach nonchalantly passively says something like "Floyd's legs are slowing down.", and you ***uls conjure up this belief that he is mentally insane, viciously spitting "lies" as he shakes with unstable ferocity. No what? I think your insane.

So floydiots accused Paqcuiao of cheating because of Ariza. What's the problem now? Why are you crying?

I never accused Manny, Mayweathe or Ariza of anything illegal All I said was, why didn't you guys bring up PEDs when Pac had him as his strength and conditioning coach for years.....oh wait I get it....anything to down Mayweather right? Has Mayweather ever ducked OSDT???? Manny's team did.....what I said is really not that complex The reason everyone is calling Ariza dope mastermind now is because of how he was labelled when he was with Pac. It wasn't Pac fans that gave him that image. The hole Ariza is in was dug by Floyd fans and now that he is with Floyd, that hole is filling in real fast....just deal with it.

true but the only people talking about Ariza shakes is Pac fanatics and Ariza was apart of his team for a long while Accused Marquez of juicing after knocking Manny out, but didn't accuse the guy who started at 112 and was stopping welterweights.....after the PED accusations started, the knockouts stopped. I think you're mayweather Sr for sure.

Because pacman fans will never admit anything bad about manny. Even if he admitted on TV that he straight up did roids they would just ignore it and brush it off Not true, I have said that I thought Pac and Floyd have both taken illegal substances. Manny, I think wised up and thought better of it while Floyd continues to hide it until this day. All we have to this day is alleged accounts of Floyd taking some sort of test, nothing official (for this fight). Floyd is a shady cat man...a shady dude with tons of money. Things get lost, misplaced, second chances given, etc. to dudes with tons of money who happen to live in the gambling capital of the world. When you make your hometown millions of dollars a year in revenue, they will literally bend over backwards to help you out....there is no coincidence that he lives there and only fights there.

Bro, you're missing the point, sadly. It doesn't matter what Ariza did or didn't give Pac now, he's not with Pac. He is with Floyd......and you are persistent in your quest to slay "Pactards" for not questioning the shakes that he was giving Pac. You are saying that they were tainted, and by proxy, calling Ariza a PED administer. OK, well say he is and he loaded Pac up with PEDs? Now that he is with Floyd, do you think he has changed his game or something? No, it is probably the reason why Floyd hired him....right? And by continuing your argument, you only reinforce the idea that Pac is no longer on roids and that Floyd is. So, what are you really accomplishing here and is it really helping your cause? :pat: do you think Manny wanted cut off dates because he may have been juicing at the time?

Bro, you're missing the point, sadly. It doesn't matter what Ariza did or didn't give Pac now, he's not with Pac. He is with Floyd......and you are persistent in your quest to slay "Pactards" for not questioning the shakes that he was giving Pac. You are saying that they were tainted, and by proxy, calling Ariza a PED administer. OK, well say he is and he loaded Pac up with PEDs? Now that he is with Floyd, do you think he has changed his game or something? No, it is probably the reason why Floyd hired him....right? And by continuing your argument, you only reinforce the idea that Pac is no longer on roids and that Floyd is. So, what are you really accomplishing here and is it really helping your cause? :pat: I never accused Manny, Mayweathe or Ariza of anything illegal All I said was, why didn't you guys bring up PEDs when Pac had him as his strength and conditioning coach for years.....oh wait I get it....anything to down Mayweather right? Has Mayweather ever ducked OSDT???? Manny's team did.....what I said is really not that complex

he knows he has been digesting Ellerbes jizz! whats up with all the gay innuendoes on this web site? I guess homo thugs are running rampant, you know the types who insult gays because they hate that they are

Basically, you feel Pacquaio was cheating then ....now Floyd is???? Correct? I knew you wouldn't have the balls to accuse Manny, even though he had Ariza for years lol.....yall call Mayweather a cherry picker and a ducker and dodger but he never ducked a drug test or asked for specific cut off dates....lol you know knowing the date isn't " random", right? Bro, you're missing the point, sadly. It doesn't matter what Ariza did or didn't give Pac now, he's not with Pac. He is with Floyd......and you are persistent in your quest to slay "Pactards" for not questioning the shakes that he was giving Pac. You are saying that they were tainted, and by proxy, calling Ariza a PED administer. OK, well say he is and he loaded Pac up with PEDs? Now that he is with Floyd, do you think he has changed his game or something? No, it is probably the reason why Floyd hired him....right? And by continuing your argument, you only reinforce the idea that Pac is no longer on roids and that Floyd is. So, what are you really accomplishing here and is it really helping your cause? :pat:

Roach has no business knowing what's in Ariza's shake recipe. Otherwise, what good is Ariza's service in Pacquiao's camp if one of his best asset can be made by everyone?

Maybe Floyd would know what Ariza is giving him. I'm sure he knows what Memo is giving him too, thats why he insists on USADA. Won't really matter after Manny whips Floyd, with random testing. Manny was never gonna beat Floyd in the first place I know yall want dude to lose so bad, it didn't matter if he fought a guy with a bionic arm, as long as he lost. I know Arum got yall hyped like he had ya'll for Margarito...he never was feared.....a guy with half his fights being for lineal titles aint scared of anyone Arum lost his cash cow, was butt hurt Mayweather and Oscar left, and it was on to the next one....Manny.....who is great but I just don't see it. He isn't more skilled than Mayweather, isn't knocking anyone out anymore, has a shorter reach by 5", is 2 inches shorter, makes a lot of technical mistakes and cant fight on the back foot or cut off the ring, he couldn't put way c class fighters like Algieri and Rios, but he is gonna punish the best defensive fighter since a prime Roy Jones. the probability of Mayweather winning is a lot higher than him losing.....I know you hope Manny wins...I know Floyd will, just like every other fight of his

All these Pac fans accusing other fighters of juicing but don't acknowledge that..... 1) Roach said random blood and urine testing killed the first round of negotiations 2) Manny Pacquaio was scared of needles, but he has tattoos......funny considering he did blood testing before and after 2009-2010 when negotiations started 3) Ariza was Manny's strength and conditioning coach and Freddie Roach didn't even know what his own fighter was ingesting Maybe Floyd would know what Ariza is giving him. I'm sure he knows what Memo is giving him too, thats why he insists on USADA. Won't really matter after Manny whips Floyd, with random testing.

Water under the bridge, stop trying to deflect on Roach and Top Rank. Floyd and his team and most of his staunch supporters on this site said the guy was a bonafide PED guru giving Manny shots of A-side meth. Cool, cool, now that cheat is serving Floyd those same shakes. No running or ducking the truth it is what it is at this point. Hope Floyd is liking those shakes especially since Ariza is such good pals with Heroidia now. :nonono: Basically, you feel Pacquaio was cheating then ....now Floyd is???? Correct? I knew you wouldn't have the balls to accuse Manny, even though he had Ariza for years lol.....yall call Mayweather a cherry picker and a ducker and dodger but he never ducked a drug test or asked for specific cut off dates....lol you know knowing the date isn't " random", right?

I doubt Roger knows what Floyd is ingesting either. The special shake recipe is top secret. https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10671423_390318724473253_8315713493076706513_n.jpg?oh=45bf13740e81fe7617f86abcde99ef97&oe=55B8C49D&__gda__=1437470967_891b99830531ffc2e8b6da5f0215b452 the sad thing is Roach is on the record saying he didn't know what Manny was taking, pre-work out, during, or after he probably didn't care as long as Manny kept winning and no one asked for OSDT

pac fans don't care about this stuff Heredia isn't a part of team Pacquaio...that's a fact....what is also a fact is Roach didn't know what the hell Manny was taking for years, called Ariza shady, and never bothered to inform himself of what Manny was drinking on a daily during training Water under the bridge, stop trying to deflect on Roach and Top Rank. Floyd and his team and most of his staunch supporters on this site said the guy was a bonafide PED guru giving Manny shots of A-side meth. Cool, cool, now that cheat is serving Floyd those same shakes. No running or ducking the truth it is what it is at this point. Hope Floyd is liking those shakes especially since Ariza is such good pals with Heroidia now. :nonono:

http://i.imgur.com/bgIVhKa.gif No one cares, all that stuff is Floyd's problem to deal with now. By the way, how is Heredia doing? pac fans don't care about this stuff Heredia isn't a part of team Pacquaio...that's a fact....what is also a fact is Roach didn't know what the hell Manny was taking for years, called Ariza shady, and never bothered to inform himself of what Manny was drinking on a daily during training