Is Mathysse a good enough counter puncher to make a fight with Pacquiao interesting?

Lol last time I checked the UK is a first world country. Much wealthier than Argentina. But not as wealthy as the US :usa:

i would not be suprised if matthysse KO's pacman. he hurts everyone he fights. pacman would be severly tested in this fight

Matts is a better boxer than people give him credit for, and his power would have Pac leery for the entire fight. I think Matts struggles a bit early but comes on later on in the fight and scares Pac a few times. Pac ends up winning like 8-4 or something along those lines. I could see Pac dropping him once early on but Matts gets back up and presses on.

What does that have to do with the point I was making? Learn how to comprehend 3rd worlder. Lol last time I checked the UK is a first world country. Much wealthier than Argentina.

Judah was outboxing Mayweather before he gassed. Doesn't matter. What does that have to do with the point I was making? Learn how to comprehend 3rd worlder.

Im not trying to discuss how the eye got closed, we all know the truth in that. What we also know as fact is Lucas was outpointing him before the eye shut. Thats fact. Judah was outboxing Mayweather before he gassed. Doesn't matter.

http://l.wigflip.com/8S38Om1l/roflbot.jpg Im not trying to discuss how the eye got closed, we all know the truth in that. What we also know as fact is Lucas was outpointing him before the eye shut. Thats fact.

It's an interesting match-up. I don't think anyone can really let their hands go against Matthysse without getting lit up themselves, not even Pac. I'm not sure it would be the exciting fire fight people suggest, because Matthysse would find it too difficult to initiate exchanges on his terms. His volume drops off significantly against guys who can counterpunch effectively. Their volume drops off significantly too and he normally gets the better of things, but I don't think he could win low volume rounds against Pac when the judges weren't giving them to him against Zab and Devon. He would spend a lot of time looking at Manny while Manny potshots and turns him. Where it has potential is Manny's natural instinct to take chances, and as weebler says to throw back when he's caught. But Manny looks to be a lot more calculating in the ring these days. Against a dangerously heavy handed guy like Matthysse is he going to go to war if he can avoid it? Probably not, and I don't think Lucas could force him to.

Garcia is a pretty good ****ing boxer, especially when he has guys coming forward. Lets not forget Lucas WAS outboxing him before the eye. http://l.wigflip.com/8S38Om1l/roflbot.jpg

Would be very interesting however still have Manny winning with his agility and boxing finesse. Would be a great win. Lucas just needs to get his stock back up and maybe gaining a title on paper would be the answer. It's unfortunate because he deserves these high dollar fights but he keeps getting the shaft. He should have Lamonts title, pretty sure he got robbed with Judah, should get a Broner fight. It makes me sick with Haymons side acting all pretentious and as though there is no politics concerning there business agenda. But there sure as hell is. Especially when one guy (Lucas) will fight any of your top guys or champs and they would rather fight lesser guys.

Lucas couldn't even outbox Danny, no disrespect to Danny but he is no Manny. This would be a lop sided victory for Pac. Lucas' boxing is so damn bad and power isn't going to win him the big fights. The hype for Lucas on these boards after he finished off Peterson was ridiculous but has now slowed down for some odd reason. Lucas' hype period reminds me of the GGG hype at the moment. Only a matter of time. Garcia is a pretty good ****ing boxer, especially when he has guys coming forward. Lets not forget Lucas WAS outboxing him before the eye.

People saying its a bad match up for Lucas. I disagree. He always starts fights boxing off the back foot. I think he could lure Pac in. His power and underrated skill give him a decent shot at winning. better shot then his last 2 opponents by far.

Lucas couldn't even outbox Danny, no disrespect to Danny but he is no Manny. This would be a lop sided victory for Pac. Lucas' boxing is so damn bad and power isn't going to win him the big fights. The hype for Lucas on these boards after he finished off Peterson was ridiculous but has now slowed down for some odd reason. Lucas' hype period reminds me of the GGG hype at the moment. Only a matter of time.

Manny would pick him apart....hand spee/foot speed/ angles too much for him.......But if manny gets caught it wont be pretty

Tim Bradley had Pacman hula dancing. Lucas has more power than Brad and JMM...is younger..and throws hellish right hands. Pac's fall-in face first style gets him KTFO again. yeah, sure he did

If you look though, he was responsible against Garcia. He can box, underrated in that respect. Pac does like come-forward fighters, but he dominates runners too, he's an atg, it's going to be tough for an opponent whatever style they bring. Rios was following a gameplan, it was smart one too but he didn't have the power to land the killer blow. Good points. You gotta put smart money on PAC though, and realize how bad of a matchup Manny is for Lucas.

Watch the way Cotto moves his feet though. He has a hop and a skip to him that Lucas doesn't. Lucas is a linear fighter, and doesn't really create angles. I don't think Lucas comes at PAC the same way he normally does. Remember, he's a human being. He's not literally terminator. He's gonna train to be more responsible in there, so he doesn't get embarrassed. PAC would love for him to come at him like that. PAC abuses come forward styles like that. If you look though, he was responsible against Garcia. He can box, underrated in that respect. Pac does like come-forward fighters, but he dominates runners too, he's an atg, it's going to be tough for an opponent whatever style they bring. Think about what you just said. Rios fought different, and didn't come to kill. Why is Lucas so much tougher and brave than Rios? Rios is one of the craziest fighters out there. Rios was following a gameplan, it was smart one too but he didn't have the power to land the killer blow.

I think what Cotto was doing in the first couple of rounds v Pac is quite similar to how Matthysse comes forward with the high guard up (e.g. v Garcia). What Dan was describing was essentially a Rios scenario, but that was uncharacteristic of Rios, normally he would have fought like Hatton and gone for it (probably have got stopped), but that night he fought more like Clottey. I don't see Matthysse fighting like that, I think it his approach will be more akin to Cotto's. Just my opinion, Lucas might not even beat Provo. Watch the way Cotto moves his feet though. He has a hop and a skip to him that Lucas doesn't. Lucas is a linear fighter, and doesn't really create angles. I don't think Lucas comes at PAC the same way he normally does. Remember, he's a human being. He's not literally terminator. He's gonna train to be more responsible in there, so he doesn't get embarrassed. PAC would love for him to come at him like that. PAC abuses come forward styles like that. Think about what you just said. Rios fought different, and didn't come to kill. Why is Lucas so much tougher and brave than Rios? Rios is one of the craziest fighters out there.

I get where you're coming from, and yeah, Pac's not impossible to hit, but like you said, he hasn't been in there with a scary puncher in a while, so hes not gonna just stand and bang with the guy. And Lucas is nowhere near Cotto's level of being in position to land on Pac. This is an easy fight for Pac. Maybe not easy, but stylistically he's got it in the bag. I think what Cotto was doing in the first couple of rounds v Pac is quite similar to how Matthysse comes forward with the high guard up (e.g. v Garcia). What Dan was describing was essentially a Rios scenario, but that was uncharacteristic of Rios, normally he would have fought like Hatton and gone for it (probably have got stopped), but that night he fought more like Clottey. I don't see Matthysse fighting like that, I think it his approach will be more akin to Cotto's. Just my opinion, Lucas might not even beat Provo so it could turn out to be forever a fantasy fight.

When Pac gets pressured or caught he fires back with combinations, taking the Cotto or Margarito fights as an example. I see a Matthysse approach being similar to theirs, Pac will land far more but will also be open to getting caught with something big himself and Lucas hits harder than those guys (for the weight). Pac hasn't been in with a genuine puncher since the roided version of Marquez. Rios actually didn't try to slug it out like he usually does. His whole gameplan was cover up and then to fight in bursts to try to catch Pacquiao but Pac was far too quick for Rios who was slow of hand and foot. Just to be clear, I wasn't saying he'll necessarily go toe to toe in terms of standing in front of his opponent, just that cutting off the ring isn't something that'll be required. Pacquiao has great movement but it's mostly lateral and he does get hit a fair bit by most of his opponents, he's not that hard to find. I favor Pacquiao too but I see it being a firefight, with every chance he gets caught with something big. Exciting match-up. I get where you're coming from, and yeah, Pac's not impossible to hit, but like you said, he hasn't been in there with a scary puncher in a while, so hes not gonna just stand and bang with the guy. And Lucas is nowhere near Cotto's level of being in position to land on Pac. This is an easy fight for Pac. Maybe not easy, but stylistically he's got it in the bag.