The point of the 154 and 168 weight classes is stupid. 168 can fight at 175 or 160(depending on the fighter) 154 is even more absurd. All those guys can either easily go up to 160 or stay at 147.
No though. Why does everybody do this? The middleweights cut weight too. This always confuses me because they do this on the HBO crew all the time whenever they want to slant something a certain way they talk about how somebody really weighed in like a (insert two or three weights up) by acting like the other weights don't cut too. Everyone under heavyweight cuts weight as the standard practice. Very rarely do top fighters not cut at least a little bit into the next highest weight class.
I'm referring to rehydration weights. I've seen many prominent JMW's (Angulo, Lara, Alvarez) rehydrate into the 170's just like many prominent MW's (Golovkin, Quillin). 154 has historically been a division of young MW's and old WW's.
There's obviously some MW's like Chavez & Pavlik who were rehydrating into the 180's those guys likely don't belong when their rehydrating to the same level as Froch/Kessler.
Fighters shouldn't be allowed to make a career based on a distinct size advantage, and weight cutting is not a fair/justified process. There's various techniques to dropping water weight and gaining it back in quick fashion without losing much performance. I'm a fan of enforcing a weight division with rehydration limits.
Wouldn't be against, I also think a Super Heavyweight Division for all these damn Giants would be a good idea as well
Bryant Jennings, Chisora, David Haye, Mike Perez, Alexander Povetkin, Bermane Stiverne all in the 6'0-6'3 Height Range and just about the same body mass and weight range. Would make for better fights rather than having them go up against guys who are 6'7-6'8
I notice during Povetkin vs Wlad, Chisora vs Fury II as well as Stiverne vs Wilder...it was really nothing either could do to be honest and a lot of that was because of the size difference.
Nah, I think the additional weight classes are an effective way of preserving a fighters career. You have a lot of fighters who grow out of their weight class but would be too small to move up so much.
Yes, too many weight classes. If you look at JMW right now, it's a bunch of young guys who still weigh in on fight night like the MW's.
No though. Why does everybody do this? The middleweights cut weight too. This always confuses me because they do this on the HBO crew all the time whenever they want to slant something a certain way they talk about how somebody really weighed in like a (insert two or three weights up) by acting like the other weights don't cut too. Everyone under heavyweight cuts weight as the standard practice. Very rarely do top fighters not cut at least a little bit into the next highest weight class.
jesus that would be an unbelievable though a few of the bigger guys would prob just go to light heavyweight
True.
Im just reading now that Canelo entered the ring at 174 v Angulo.
Can't find anything on Frochs fight night weight. But I know he stays well conditioned all year round. It wouldn't surprise me if he only put on a few extra pounds on fight night weighing no more than 178 similar to Floyd.
I bet all these guys walk around at a similar weight.
Yes. Can you imagine how stacked with talent 160 would be without 154 and 168???
Canelo
Lara
Trout
Cotto
GGG
Martinez
Quillin
Lee
Murray
Ward
Froch
Groves
Degale
Direll
Many more
Possibly Mayweather?
I mean all these guys could fight each other anyway with the current weight class.
jesus that would be an unbelievable though a few of the bigger guys would prob just go to light heavyweight
A possible solution:
Heavyweight- No limit
Cruiserweight- 200
Light Heavyweight- 185
Super Middleweight- 170
Middleweight- 160
Welterweight- 150
Lightweight- 140
Featherweight- 130
Bantamweight- 120
Flyweight- 110
10 divisions, the organizations merge to one or maybe 2. At the most twenty champions at any given time. Prestige returned.
I like this - good shout.
Yes. Can you imagine how stacked with talent 160 would be without 154 and 168???
Canelo
Lara
Trout
Cotto
GGG
Martinez
Quillin
Lee
Murray
Ward
Froch
Groves
Degale
Direll
Many more
Possibly Mayweather?
I mean all these guys could fight each other anyway with the current weight class.
That would be ideal. And as mentioned, enforce a strict weigh-in protocol to prevent cheaters. If you rehydrate into the next weight class, then no go.
I've always maintained there should be a limit on rehydration. Somewhere around 5% of the fighters weigh in weight would do it imo. Didn't one of the organisations start enforcing something like that?
A possible solution:
Heavyweight- No limit
Cruiserweight- 200
Light Heavyweight- 185
Super Middleweight- 170
Middleweight- 160
Welterweight- 150
Lightweight- 140
Featherweight- 130
Bantamweight- 120
Flyweight- 110
10 divisions, the organizations merge to one or maybe 2. At the most twenty champions at any given time. Prestige returned.
That would be ideal. And as mentioned, enforce a strict weigh-in protocol to prevent cheaters. If you rehydrate into the next weight class, then no go.
The point of the 154 and 168 weight classes is stupid. 168 can fight at 175 or 160(depending on the fighter) 154 is even more absurd. All those guys can either easily go up to 160 or stay at 147.
I think the problem is one to many belts...to many champs ..the divisions are find w/me.
Yes, too many weight classes. If you look at JMW right now, it's a bunch of young guys who still weigh in on fight night like the MW's.
There will always be drawbacks, and positives to either method. But I do see your point.
Like you said, at the moment, young guys are not all fighting within the spirit of the point of weight classes. But if you eliminated those two, I think there would a lot of fighters caught out.
Should probably go back to same day weigh ins, and stipulate a fighter cannot gain more than five pounds on that day, making everyone come in on their correct weight. No gimmicks to lose weight to squeeze in a division to have a weight advantage.
Sometimes I think, boxing is half a game of which fighter can most successfully squeeze into a division he doesn't really belong in.
But then Canelo would have to fight guys like Froch, Groves, and Ward.
That would be murder.
No, all of those guys would have to fight guys like Kovalev, Stevenson, Pascal and Beterbiev. Canelo would be fighting Golovkin, an easy fight according to Bradley.
The point of the 154 and 168 weight classes is stupid. 168 can fight at 175 or 160(depending on the fighter) 154 is even more absurd. All those guys can either easily go up to 160 or stay at 147.
Why would you get rid of those and keep all the pointless babby weights?