People diss Ortiz, yes he is a weirdo, and he lacks the drive and heart to be a top fighter and all that, but the dude is not a bad guy at first I didnt believe him but now I kinda think some of what he says is not far off about Robert Garcia. If you hear his story he told Mario Lopez he said Robert even told him go hit a bag, when he had a fight coming up showing no care.
Robert Garcia is an overrated trainer. If you watch Elie Sekbach videos, I noticed something, Robert doesnt do crap in the gym but eat sunflower seeds and sit on the outside while his son, and several other trainers do the mitttwork and help train the fighters.
Look at Robert eating sunflower seeds, he is always eating something.
Here is a sample of what Robert does 75 percent of the day eating sunflower seeds and maybe tie his fighters gloves up every once in a while.
Robert only gets in their every once and a while, he doesn't really care to be honest. So Victor was telling the truth about Robert showing no concern or seriousness before his fight.
Also he doesnt train Nonito Donaire he just shows up the day of the fight and gets paid to work the corner for whatever reason, I don't get it, why does Nonito pay Robert at all?
Roberts dad is the one who is the good trainer, Robert even admits the Big G is the one who comes up with the game plans.
The Big G is also the one who trained Mikey Garcia and Fernando Vargas.
some of you guys are real tough, picking on a guy because he is not mentally normal, it makes you feel better?
At least Victor is trying to make something of himself, you bandwagoners making fun of the kid, yes he is a weirdo yes he exaggerates, and I never said I entirely agree with him, but after watching Garcia on Elies videos and seeing how he just eats sunflower seeds and food while sitting in the corner just tying gloves up while his team of assistants do most of the work, makes me believe some of what Vic says is true.
Also Vic never threw Danny to the curb, you guys act like Vic is disloyal, if you knew anything you would know Vic has been loyal to Hoss one of his trainers and strength guys he been with for years, and david rodela and a few others.
Danny Garcia told Victor to head butt Floyd and fight back dirty, who wouldnt get rid of a trainer who when it comes to training has no answer and says fight dirty and head butt?
smart move if you ask me. Im not even a fan of Victor, but some of you guys take your hate for this guy too the extreme.
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Robert Garcia does suck as a trainer he's fighters don't seem to have a game plan or more than one. Plus him not stopping the fight between Pac vs Margarito, I mean I know Margarito was telling him not to stop it, but Robert dropped the ball big time right there, even though I liked Margarito getting his a## beat, but still its his corner just to look into his fighter not to get hurt and it ended up being a career ending injury for MargaCheato.
i dont take anything ortiz says seriously anymore. that said i always felt garcia was a very overrated trainer. he is a good trainer, decent at world level but far from one of the better trainers in the sport imo.
Robert Garcia is a shady, angry dude but you can't deny the improvements he made with Maidana. Also Ortiz seems to be a pathological liar, far from telling Garcia to "get offa me" he actually gives him a huge hug.
Neither does dwelling on the past, contantly bringing up negative thoughts or feelings. If he is suffering that much, maybe he should use his celebrity to start a foundation for abused foster children, in doing so find some peace. BTW my comments were geared more towards commercial use of sad stories, telling the story is one thing but using it to market someone or yourself is another. Its great he overcame so much but his life has been changed for many years.
He needs to talk to a professional who can help him root out and conquer his demons. Boxing, jogging, acting, or lying will not help him get over those deep rooted trauma issues. My standard rate is $235.00/hr....no one needs to suffer, let me help you help yourself.
We all know Victor is not a wordsmith and talks like he is from bill and teds excellent adventure, maybe he meant inside his mind he was angry and saying get the helll away from me, but in public he kept is classy and contained himself post fight and just went along with the show?
Seriously Robert Garcia is not a great trainer, the guy sits there eating sunflower seeds all day and talking to Elie Sekbach. His father is the real mind in the family, even his brother Danny said Robert goes to big G for the gameplans.
how do you know? are you at the gym all day or something? or are you basing that off ellies vids. I'm pretty sure he has some relax time once ellie starts asking questions. regardless, someone that makes brandon rios a champ gets my respect.
So, I'm a Mikey Garcia fan, so what.
You think Pacquiao can get knocked out with a jab and now you're taking Victor Ortiz word, even though Dan just posted a video of him doing the total opposite.
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We all know Victor is not a wordsmith and talks like he is from bill and teds excellent adventure, maybe he meant inside his mind he was angry and saying get the helll away from me, but in public he kept is classy and contained himself post fight and just went along with the show?
Seriously Robert Garcia is not a great trainer, the guy sits there eating sunflower seeds all day and talking to Elie Sekbach. His father is the real mind in the family, even his brother Danny said Robert goes to big G for the gameplans.
Wow! what an ahole thing to say, but hey...most posters here would probably agree...Just get over it right? and then trot out someone who went through foster care who feels the same way and wala!! Victor becomes a big baby.
People do not JUST get over everything. its quite possible this kid was sexually abused, that he had to overcome fear, pain and beatings to protect his siblings etc. Money does no substitute for those things and it is ignorant to assume it does.
Neither does dwelling on the past, contantly bringing up negative thoughts or feelings. If he is suffering that much, maybe he should use his celebrity to start a foundation for abused foster children, in doing so find some peace. BTW my comments were geared more towards commercial use of sad stories, telling the story is one thing but using it to market someone or yourself is another. Its great he overcame so much but his life has been changed for many years.
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Cant help but wonder how Mr Belding is doing financially though :( :lol1:
I dont know what happened between Ortiz and Garcia, but it seems to me that Ortiz loves to play on the sympathy of others. HBO loved it too, oh this poor abandoned child, bla bla. Get over it man your a millionaire now. Move on.
Wow! what an ahole thing to say, but hey...most posters here would probably agree...Just get over it right? and then trot out someone who went through foster care who feels the same way and wala!! Victor becomes a big baby.
People do not JUST get over everything. its quite possible this kid was sexually abused, that he had to overcome fear, pain and beatings to protect his siblings etc. Money does no substitute for those things and it is ignorant to assume it does.
Victor is just stating his opinion.
Personally I think that RG is a decent trainer, but not the type of guy to put an arm around a fighter and give him milk and cookies before bedtime.
Victor needs a milk and cookies trainer, he needs to feel special.
No problem with that, it doesn't make Victor a bad person or RG a bad trainer.
I think Victor is quite a complex, emotional kid - so he needs a patient, mentor type trainer.
Exactly the sense I get. Victor came up having to take care of siblings, in foster care and I think it was a rough road. One thing I see is a lot of posters here seem to forget that Victor did have it rough that way....say what you will about the kid but he did come up hard.
I actually think a trainer like Teddy Atlas would do wonders for this kid. Is Victor pathological? sometimes sociopathology is an adaptive measure....he could be a sociopath who is lying. I always give people the benefit of the doubt though and Victor sounds cogent to me.
i'm just glad to see mario lopez / AC slater getting money. love that guy for real.
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Cant help but wonder how Mr Belding is doing financially though :( :lol1:
I dont know what happened between Ortiz and Garcia, but it seems to me that Ortiz loves to play on the sympathy of others. HBO loved it too, oh this poor abandoned child, bla bla. Get over it man your a millionaire now. Move on.