Just rewatched the fight.
I can't think of any win that would be more impressive than Duran beating a future ATG and probably one of the best fighters to ever lace em up.
IMO only Ali's win over Foreman comes close.
What do you guys think?
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Not only does this f^cking goof not actually know what a shutout actually is, but he can't even maintain any consistency on such a claim. Now it's been downgraded to a "damn near blow out."
You've done more spinning in this thread than a DJ :lol1:
I've explained that already to you............rigo vs donaire was a shut out. does that mean donaire didn't win a round? NO you dumb@ss whoohaha you've been torched so hard that you can't even address the facts.
f*cking idiot don't even have a clue about boxing but tries to debate about whats great and whats not
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I view part 1 to be better than part 3.. By Manila both guys were past it, and Frazier got easily outpointed in part 2 had really didn't have any major wins before part 3..
Manila is a great fight, but the first one was more epic and historic..
Undefeated stripped champ vs undefeated reigning champ.. Both atg, both peak
if memory serves, that fight is still considered the fight of the century, isn't it?
saying both are past it only adds glitter to the gold...say, brilliance to diamond..
Ok, NO Problem.
How many guys on your list won a HW title TWICE - having done it the second time @ AGE 45?
Don't worry, Genius, I'll wait while you come up with an answer...
Like I said, your dumb ass is smoking some good crack rock...
The vast majority of those fighters aren't heavyweights, period, d*ckhead.You don't even f*cking know the vast majority of those fighters on the list, so arguing this point with a vapid size queen like you seems a tad pointless.
But keep smokin' da crack dat make you believe dat a padded rekkerd and a fluke knockout over Michael f*cking Moorer = P4P greatness, son.
idiot. you can't tell me what I meant when i wrote it down...........heres my original post.
"ray showed heart to be able to pull off that late stoppage but if we go back and actually look at most of those rounds it was a complete shut out for hearns"
meaning if you go back past the rounds hearns was hurt and taken out (those last 2 rounds) it was 9 to 3 with hearns pitching a damn near blow out. and in my 2nd post (before you even entered the thread) i said that the 13th and 14th is when rays heart prevailed. (so u arguing those rounds is as dumb as A stalk of wood) it's literally hanging on to a nail going in ret@rd circles with yourself, kinda stuff. & thats exactly what you're doing.
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Not only does this f^cking goof not actually know what a shutout actually is, but he can't even maintain any consistency on such a claim. Now it's been downgraded to a "damn near blow out."
iagain..........someone else replied to that short hearns leonard snippet (that had nothing to do with the overall post) because they were pissed about the overall point and they couldn't address it. you figured you would piggy back off of that without even reading what was actually said.........
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You've done more spinning in this thread than a DJ :lol1:
I think Hagler over Hearns was the greatest win in history because it was the greatest fight.
I don't know why leonard is ranked above Hagler on so many lists when Hagler was the greatest of that era.
Because clearly he wasn't. Leonard beat all four: Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez. Duran was the greatest of them though. He was just much older, smaller and had been fighting for a lot longer by the time he got to fighting those guys.
Don't say 'Hagler was past it' because Leonard had been retired for years, had a detached retina, had had one fight in six years, was moving up in weight and was fighting the active, lineal, undisputed champion who hadn't lost in a decade and had just beaten the number 1 contender.
Nope.
Ali - Foreman
Mayweather - Castillo (he also defeated a guy 2 weight classes above him)
Mayweather - Corrales
All rank higher for me.
But let's reverse that question:
Does Leonard's loss to a 'lightweight' impact his ATG status in your minds?
It does for me.
Mayweather was two sizes smaller than Castillo you mean? :thinking:
Did you really just compare Castillo and Corrales to Duran as not only equal wins, but better? Wow.
good list.....
but i think none of them comes close to ali winning the thrilla in manila...
winning the "fight of the century"....
what can be more than this?
I view part 1 to be better than part 3.. By Manila both guys were past it, and Frazier got easily outpointed in part 2 had really didn't have any major wins before part 3..
Manila is a great fight, but the first one was more epic and historic..
Undefeated stripped champ vs undefeated reigning champ.. Both atg, both peak
Your ability to debate and put forth sound, logical arguments is as shallow and lacking as your grammar and overall knowledge of this sport. Every single one of those fighters either had better wins, beat more ranked opposition or simply had longer, more productive runs than Foreman, who got outboxed by Jimmy Young and ran off into the sunset at the grand old age of 28.
I don't need the approval of anyone from the history section, and I sure as f*ck don't need the approval of some clueless, afrocentric pissant. :lol1:
Until you come back and give a valid argument as to how Foreman and his excessively padded record rates above any of them (LMFAO @ Foreman even being placed on the same level of comparison to someone like Leonard) I'd suggest you jog the f*ck on and quit projecting your own crack use onto me, boy.
so you don't care that most knowledgeable posters and fans would laugh at you and call you a clown for your list? so you don't care that you have NO boxing knowledge? so why are you even in a boxing forum trying to debate you ret@rd.
hearns, hagler, Whitaker, toney, jones, hollyfield, mayweather.
how are these guys greater then foreman? you haven't even come close to naming 10 guys in the last 35 years that are greater then foreman.
foreman is an olympic gold medalist. has 5 legit hall of famers on his resume (which alone makes him greater) nether one of these guys have 5 hall of famers. (go ahead, actually do the research) foreman also took the title from moorer when moorer had just beaten hollyfield (and a fight ago hollyfield had gotten it from riddick bowe in war) so foreman was officially the king of the heavyweight division at A much older age. that type of stuff increases greatness.........
with heavyweights like foreman they have to do above and beyond because theres no weight class for them to jump up like mayweather. and foreman has done that.
jimmy young gave everyone problems. jimmy young was a puzzle. he was great in his biggest fights but tended to lose motivation for his smaller ones. he was also robbed a great deal because of his hard to score puzzle like style. (actually learn about these fighters before you boxrec again you senseless moron)
but anyway, there is no way possible that most of all of those guys you gave are greater then foreman. if so, give the reasons because i just gave you the facts of why their not.
& (Afrocentric?) what did i say in this thread that was Afrocentric? now you're talking about other irrelevant bullsh*t. i guess if i question and break down your post I'm somehow now being Afrocentric towards you. how is it not that i can't even break your post down without me being viewed "afrocentric" get the crap out of your head. no one is being racist to you. you have something within yourself that you're projecting..........
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nope.
Ali - foreman
mayweather - castillo (he also defeated a guy 2 weight classes above him)
mayweather - corrales
all rank higher for me.
But let's reverse that question:
Does leonard's loss to a 'lightweight' impact his atg status in your minds?
It does for me.
Hmmmm.
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Ha.
Lol.
You guys don't understand. All you have to do is take out the rounds Leonard won and then you have the shut-out for Hearns.
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ok fair enough............say that xing out the rounds that hearns was taken out in is something you don't understand.............and thats fair enough. i was analyzing what happened in majority of those rounds. thats why i didn't include the rounds in which leonards heart and grit pulled him through. everyone already knows about that.
but don't be a complete ret@rd and make it seem like i didn't make a distinction which is what he was stupidly trying to do............
Look back at your original post, dipsh*t. You made absolutely no mention of Hearns pitching a shutout until the thirteenth round until after you were challenged on your scorecard, which had it actually included the thirteenth round wouldn't have looked much different to the scorecards you were challenging.
Have you actually heard of paragraphs? Trying to decipher through that sh*te is challenging enough.
And I've already addressed the TS's question, you dolt.
If said judges are as utterly clueless and inept as you are, they shouldn't be judging in the first place. If you actually knew f*ck all about that era, you'd know that there was a great deal of controversy regarding none of the judges not scoring the sixth or seventh rounds for Hearns.
idiot. you can't tell me what I meant when i wrote it down...........heres my original post.
"ray showed heart to be able to pull off that late stoppage but if we go back and actually look at most of those rounds it was a complete shut out for hearns"
meaning if you go back past the rounds hearns was hurt and taken out (those last 2 rounds) it was 9 to 3 with hearns pitching a damn near blow out. and in my 2nd post (before you even entered the thread) i said that the 13th and 14th is when rays heart prevailed. (so u arguing those rounds is as dumb as A stalk of wood) it's literally hanging on to a nail going in ret@rd circles with yourself, kinda stuff. & thats exactly what you're doing.
again..........someone else replied to that short hearns leonard snippet (that had nothing to do with the overall post) because they were pissed about the overall point and they couldn't address it. you figured you would piggy back off of that without even reading what was actually said.........
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Nope.
Ali - Foreman
Mayweather - Castillo (he also defeated a guy 2 weight classes above him)
Mayweather - Corrales
All rank higher for me.
But let's reverse that question:
Does Leonard's loss to a 'lightweight' impact his ATG status in your minds?
It does for me.
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