Who the bigger overachiever? Danny Garcia or Carl Froch?

It's garcia for me. His style is somewhat ordinary and he is not a speedster either. Khan is surely gonna beat him, when he suddenly connected that one big looping left hook, now his fight with lucas was interesting it's a 50-50 fight but people was so focused on lucas's power and that made all the more danny look so special at the end of the fight. Main thing is, he is able to take lucas's power so even his chin is surprisingly good. I think it also helps that luck is on danny's side. Those are the fights that he could really lose, but, he actually did better than he is supposed to. Froch for me is in different situation he is awkward, relentless has power and a great chin, he is some sort of a skilled margarito type. I understand that in some instances sometimes this type of fighter can dominate and it is only right that he should be schooled by someone like ward.

Froch, garcia's technique is good. Where as froch is all wrong but he can get away with it. Froch is slow His technique is poor His punches are wierd and he flails his arms when he throws combos. But froch has the best chin in boxing aswell as crazy determination he never gives up also he has stamina to throw a 100 punches a round. It just goes to show you don't have to have super natural speed and power and technique to be good at this sport and thats why i love it so much

Both of theses guys are overachievers and don't have that much natural talent or ability aside from decent power......I can't really really call it tbh. Danny Garcia's best wins Matthysse Khan Judah Morales 2x Holt Campbell Herrera(gift) Carl Froch's best wins Kessler Abraham Bute Groves Johnson Taylor Pascal Dirrell(gift) This is a perception, an opinion, yet you state it like a fact. Take Danny Garcia for example, you may claim he has little natural talent but to throw "same-time" counters, which is basically countering at the exact moment your opponent throws his punch, in fact in mid swing (look at his KOs of Khan and Morales for an example), requires immense natural reflexes and speed. This is largely down to nature with a little nurture, isn't that natural talent? Garcia also has skill, he can cut the ring off and has the ability to fight either as a counter puncher or an aggressor (not as effective in the latter). That requires skill, a boxing IQ and an understanding of the basics of boxing. With Froch, his biggest advantage is his power and chin, but he also throws punches from unusual angles and can throw them often. Early on in his career he was a slow starter but he learned his lesson from fights against Taylor and Kessler and didn't often repeat that mistake, barring the Ward fight. This shows us he has an exceptional boxing brain. Not to mention his ability to adjust to different styles, fighting defensive fighters like Dirrel, more aggressive opponents in Kessler and Abraham or decent all round technicians in Taylor, he has shown time and time again he can come through and win. This shows us one other thing, adaptability and only fighters who understand the sweet science can adapt to different styles as effectively as that. Yes against Dirrel and Taylor he struggled but who doesn't but in the end he came out victorious and later he became the first man to comprehensively outbox Abraham, it was a complete shut out in my book. This was a whole different side to Froch. Yes, neither man has the flashy talents of Pacquiao or Roy Jones or Leonard or Ali but both are very skilled boxers and highly conditioned athletes. They do what they do better than almost anyone in their division. Neither is an over achiever but both are high achievers.

For me Froch is an overachiever in terms of his actual boxing ability. He really has built a solid resume without a huge amount of technical skill. He has compensated for this with huge desire, a granite chin and great conditioning. Froch loves to brawl and go toe to toe, this is where he is comfortable, take him away from that and I think that he can struggle. He never ducks a fight though, so massive respect for that alone. As for Garcia, I think he has some real skill and I believe he deserved his big wins over Mattheyse and Khan. I know he does seem to polarize opinion on NSB but as a young fighter he still has potential to progress further. His father Angel can be highly irritating and border on offensive, but at the end of the day there is some truth in what he says when Danny does not get the recognition he deserves. The Herrera fight was controversial - but then so was the Groves fight for Froch.

I think Froch has beaten the better competition but I would say Danny is the bigger over achiever. Lets be honest most people don't think Danny is an exceptional boxer even though he's undefeated. Agreed. Froch has more dimensions. Danny just does the one thing over and over, extremely one dimensional, and in that sense has overachieved more as I think Froch is just better overall. Danny's time is about up. Froch has simply achieved more.

Froch. he's "golden boy undefeated" aka rigged fights and dodgy decisions Exactly. Golden boy loves to come up with these "undefeated" fighters, when the only thing that remains undefeated is their shady reputation for corrupt decisions and downright stolen fights.

D.Garcia. He has very little natural talent, his physical qualities have got him this far, but it's only a matter of time before he gets his first official loss...and then starts losing regularly. He's a very basic fighter.

Froch...he gives the sense he wins fights on nothing but guile at times.

Great/and tough question.. I'd have to go with Froch at the moment tho..I feel Garcia is more talented then Froch..

froch. he's less talented, and so far he has a better resume. danny has decent talent. he's not the fastest guy in the world, but he's not as slow as froch. he has very good power to the body and head, and is a decently accurate puncher. he's sharper than froch, who needs a stationary target to land heavy stuff. Well said.

I would say froch at the moment but danny's career is just getting started, while froch is in the twilight of his career Moving up to Welterweight. Danny is actually in the twilight of his career. His reign is SWIFT indeed.

You guys do realize Danny is officially undefeated right? (at least for the time being) Froch has lost a couple times. As far as boxing skill, they are probably similar. Froch definitely has a better jab, although he's a bit more mechanical in his movements. Froch has faced better opponents as well. Garcia has another loss/gift to Theophane, and he's bigger at the weight. Garcia is also going to move up to what imo is his natural fighting weight and get beat regularly. Also good points.

Garcia has another loss/gift to Theophane, and he's bigger at the weight. Garcia is also going to move up to what imo is his natural fighting weight and get beat regularly.

froch. he's less talented, and so far he has a better resume. danny has decent talent. he's not the fastest guy in the world, but he's not as slow as froch. he has very good power to the body and head, and is a decently accurate puncher. he's sharper than froch, who needs a stationary target to land heavy stuff.

Clearly Froch. In every sense. http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carl+Froch+Rachel+Cordingley+Carl+Froch+v+9TEyIObgJPul.jpg He's a demi-God among men. Not quite good enough to be a God, yet he somehow accomplishes just as much.

lol Garcia is the biggest over achiever I've ever seen in boxing.

Clearly Froch. In every sense. http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carl+Froch+Rachel+Cordingley+Carl+Froch+v+9TEyIObgJPul.jpg

I think Froch has beaten the better competition but I would say Danny is the bigger over achiever. Lets be honest most people don't think Danny is an exceptional boxer even though he's undefeated. he's "golden boy undefeated" aka rigged fights and dodgy decisions

Froch has faced better competition. Look at the names on his resume and only Ward has actually beaten him convincingly.

I think Froch has beaten the better competition but I would say Danny is the bigger over achiever. Lets be honest most people don't think Danny is an exceptional boxer even though he's undefeated.